Well, I gotta side with the EU boys (and girl!) on this one, I just absolutely love EU, besides if we were all wearing Hick's stuff it would just be boring, EU gives flavor. Can't deny that!

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My last posts were brought to you by the words 'tee' and 'hee'.

SAS

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Founder of UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters
Founder of Special Armaments Section (Heavy Weapons)
"People don't understand. people like me"

I know..... so was mine....

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Pfc Glenn Allen ,
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Homers Hero's..
Drops so Far.... 29 and counting

Hey Si, does it count more if my 'Cannon' is bigger than your 'canon'?

Andy.

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"I plan to live forever.........or die trying!"

Not really, but this is what happens to a thread when you start that game.

SAS

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Alan T. Alien
1st Lt Smith, SA "Sidewinder"
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Founder of UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters
Founder of Special Armaments Section (Heavy Weapons)
"People don't understand. people like me"

Just to point out one fact... the UKCM was formed specifically as an alterative to the ”cannon" directive of the UKG. This in NO WAY is a criticism of the UKG... but a fact nether less. Troon and myself wanted to "gear up" without rules and regs... that’s just how we are.

The very notion that the UKCM is elitist or looks down on anyone else is to be quite honest preposterous and quite insulting to our members. To sole aim of the UKCM is to have a laugh... and that is that. The fact is the "cannon" members of our group are the odd ones out as the majority do their own thing. Cannon, EU or just egg box... we couldn’t give a toss... just as long as you know when its your round... that’s all that matters.

As most of you will find out at Dragon Con 08!!

Here endeth the lesson. Fish 3:23

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FYI - it's "Canon"



runs and ducks for cover

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I know!




Runs and joins you for cover!!

Oh, I assume it was Bazfish's 'cannon' you were directing that at!!

Bazfish and his canon gets everywhere!! Oooh err!!

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"I plan to live forever.........or die trying!"

Hey Si, Am I 'derailing' this thread enough?? Am I, hmm, am I???

Do I get a scooby snack??

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"I plan to live forever.........or die trying!"

Irony ... and an American got it

I am soooo looking forward to Dcon... this is gonna be great!

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Screen-Accurate is awesome.

EU is awesome.

Therefore, it is all awesome.

It's about FUN. Simple as that.

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

Ahh yes...but then does that make fun awesome...or does awesome become fun......


If a train leaves from Boston............

Canon or EU?

I personally go for the EU side of the house, after all...how many personnel are there in ther USCM of the Aliens timeframe...over 200,000...I believe that allows allot of personal choice. Besides...who wants to be or see 50,000 Hicks, 50,000 Hudsons, 50,00 Apones, etc. Wouldn't each of the "furture" marines personalize thier gear anyway?...but then again...that's just ME.

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Well, if they followed the regs of the current military then they WOULDN'T be personalizing their equipment at all. But since James Cameron was modeling the USCM on the military of the VietNam era... that's where we see the "mods."

Personally, I'm "more" of an accuracy/authenticity nut than an EU one. But that doesn't stop me from appreciating the work somone puts into an EU Aliens inspired uniform/prop/costume.

As long as you behave yourself, you'll be welcome here with whatever Alien/s/3/etc. inspired gear you bring to "the show."

Russ

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http://www.rookscastle.com
http://www.alchemyarms.com

There it is. The definitive word. What is fun for you, and whether it's portraying a character in Aliens, or your own character in EU, carrying a Pulse Rifle, Smartgun, Shotgun,Flamer, Tricked out Nerf Longshot in USCM armor, you are having so much fun, that you must be a Colonial Marine!

Now, let's rock!

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USCM- The Colonial Marines- A Brotherhood of Bad Asses!

Well, when I get my armor (which wont be for a couple of years) I will put it in Hudson's style. I just really like the graffiti on his armor, and he is my favorite. But I just think that it would look real cool to have my armor like his.

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"I am the ultimate bad-ass. State of the bad-ass art."

Go Skull-knife-head Squad!

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I'd certainly be dissapointed if we were only about what is canon here.

I love to recreate as close to 100% accuracy as I can - most of the time I'd rather not bother if I can't be spot on (I'm the same in alot of areas of life) which is why I haven't put much together in the way of props or costumes, I'd prefer to wait until I can do it properly. But that's only recreation...

When it comes to creating and developing our own new or inspired ideas the sky is the limit and I love seeing some of the things people come up with!
I don't think anyone is attempting to "pass off" their creations as though they appeared in the movie. We're all just having fun, enjoying each others work and hanging out with friends.

That's what I love about this group! We're not just fellow costumers, we're friends.

If things went the way of the 501st I'd say it'd be a great shame...

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I say EU unless you look like the actor from the film. Plus do you want to see a line of Hick,Hudson clones?? That`s what Star Wars is for (Clones get it?? Viking wit).

Teckno Viking was born at the NSC last year & I truely am enjoying this new aspect & journey.
The Black armour with the personal touch truely sets him apart.

After all ALIENS movie wise I don`t think I look like anyone bar maybe the Powerloader. So EU for me

Teckno Viking has spoken & by Odin`s beard it shall be LAW.

Ja

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I think there has to be a limit as to how EU you take it though, depending on what the costume is.

I think now that fairly SA armour and BDU are available that's definitely a must. As the years go by we're going to be less recognisable in costume than we are now (the old "hey, are you Starship Troopers?" syndrome) so we have to have some standards.

If the costume is an extended-but-never-appeared-in-the-film-or-the-Technical-Manual one (like SSgt Burton's Marine Space Aviator) then as long as you've gone to the effort to make it look as though it could belong then that's a good thing.

Harry

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I think the upcoming Aliens video game will help extend our shelf life a bit, if not introduce the "real" Aliens franchise to the younger folk who only seem to be familiar with the terrible AvP flicks.

The game itself, however, will add a certain bit of EU to what we do, and I think that's a good thing.

Speaking of EU, I know my SAW-Longshot clearly is at the fringe of what might be considered EU and definitely not canon. I do like to think that I get a little leeway from the fact that the Technical Manual did mention a predecessor to the M56 (but didn't show it) and I like to pretend that is what I carry.

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I've noticed a few other discrepancies, but right now, one that comes mind is the manufacturer of the EEV. The Manual says that it was made by Bodenwerke Gemeinschift but in a few stills on the Quadrilogy you can see "Weyland Yutani" on it while it's on the shore.

IMHO, canonocity of the Alien films should include first and foremost the films. Augmenting them should be DVD supplemental materials such as deleted scenes, documentaries, commentaries, etc. After that, written materials that are connected to the films such as interviews with people who had worked on the films.

The Manual should be a part of this somehow, as it really doesn't contradict too much in the films. And, the author did pick the brains of people at Fox for information.

As for the comics and videogames: no way, José. They contradict the films and each other.

What are we still talking about this for?!

Let's just bug out and call it even, okay?



See what I did there?

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Steve
Corporal in 69th Regt. 1st Batt. Homer’s Heroes.

"I'd like to die at the age of 80 in my own bed, with a belly full of wine and a girl's mouth around my c**k."

Now that was very well put!

Really this topic was about what is considered canon beyond the films themselves (which on the whole is the only canon source).

Somehow the discussion has evolved to whether or not we here at the Legacy have any kind of standards as to what would be acceptable as a USCM impression.

When I started out here in 2002 and put together my first USCM impression it was somewhat recognizable as being in the Aliens universe (being generous to myself here)... But was it accurate?





No... not really... at all.


But at the time it was my best effort for my limited resources, time, and especially (the big one) money.

Over the years my rifleman evolved into a Phased Plasma Gunner- this arose mostly out of the need to have a weapon that I could cross the Canada/US border without breaking any obscure replica firearm laws, and still have something impressive to tote around at D-Con:




Eventually I found myself wanting to go more in the direction of SA. Last year I radicaly altered my Marine to look more like something seen on screen...






This was patterned after Drake's gear (minus his smartgun rig)...




In the last year I've found myself striving more and more for an accurate impression... Racal headset, improved camo pattern on my greaves, Gerber MkII knife, screen accurate dog tags, a functional Pulsemeter watch, etc. And while I am please that Harry would cite my Marine Aviator as a "could have been" uniform- my PIG gunner still falls completely into this category as well. No matter how close I might make it- it's still EU all the way.

My Gorman Service C uniform was my first real attempt at true screen accuracy. The fun now became the detective work and painstaking searches for accurate (or as close as possible) components of the impression.

And with my latest effort of a Dropship pilot it was pretty much all or nothing- I was shooting for as screen accurate as possible. With the exception of the helmet modifications I'd like to think I got it spot on (it's still a little EU having my own name on the flightsuit and customized helmet graffitti though ).

Funny enough- whenever someone would ask "what's the quickest/easiest USCM uniform to put together for a convention?" the answer I would give (along with most of us) is a Dropship pilot. I've now come to the conclusion that none of these uniforms are easy or cheap if you are trying to be as accurate as possible.


But... The point of all this is that I've been having fun from the beginning. No one has ever told me my armour/uniform/gear wasn't good enough (other than Spat ).

In the beginning it was about having something that at least looked like USCM gear. Bit by bit (as I could afford it) I added and improved things.

I find that I am now coming to the end of the journey so to speak. Finally getting a Pulsemeter was one of the last pieces of kit to complete my PIG gunner impression. I guess I could put a shoulder lamp on my battery rig- but I don't think it would be necessary. Other than a set of Terry English armour there isn't much more I can/want to do to improve my "ground pounder" impression.

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?!

I wouldn't consider you're own name on the uniform EU. One would assume there were more a lot more marines. My personal belief is if you looked like you should have been in the movie you are SA, but we all know what opinions are like

I guess regs are ok depending on the reason, but it does open a can of worms and makes people get ugly, something I don't think we want here. do you separate SA and EU? do you break down EU to books and straight out fantasy? and once you have the groups separated what do you do with that? will certain events be Canon only?

One of the main reasons the dreaded 501st has costume requirements is the stuff they get to do. Lucasfilms doesn't want to put them on TV looking the like the stripper from the HBO show Cathouse.

When Cameron comes around and wants us to do "Official" things for him you can worry about what people are wearing, but for now I like things the way they are here. We have people who are not even taking the Star Wars costumes to DC because they are tired of the grief and fighting all the time, and only taking there marine gear.

Thanks to this group, I can embrace EU, I can't stand it in the 501st. It drives me nuts, why join a "stormtrooper"group to be Luke's son's second cousin's nephew's dog, since it was a cool paragraph in an obscure book.

If you want to be SA, do it, if not that's fine to. I think there is room here for all of us. If everyone just worried about their own costume instead of others we will remain the shiney happy people that we are.


Except for those wieners that steal your flashlight

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