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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:16 pm 
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Last tuesday i came home from work and found a note from the police, asking for me to get in touch with them. I rang them and left a message, this Tuesaday a week later the police rang me back, i was told it was in regards to some items that was found in a parcel...

Today i had 2 policemen come to my house, i was read my rights and was told that i was under caution, 2 resin knives that i had ordered sometime ago had been stopped by customs.

They were stopped because the shipping label had Knives written on the label...
the parcel was then x-rayed and because they did not show up on x-ray, They break the Stealth Knife act....aka Airport knife act... which states it is illegal to import knives that can not show up on x-ray, which could be used as a real weapon, the police said that these knives could be used to stab someone with .

I then had to explain to the police why i wanted these knives, which i did . It turns out that before they came to my house they had researched they sender of the Knives so they had guess that it was for Customing / re-inactment.....

i was told before they left that it would not go any further....though if they did take it further i could have ended up in court , and facing a large fine....

So heads up guys .... i had never heard of the Stealth Kinfe act and its a law that has been around for sometime

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That was one thing that always bothered me about people selling full size Resin Gerbers. Because they can be used in a very naughty way if someone wanted to.

In this case, I'm glad to see the Government doing something to prevent people from hijacking planes. Of course, they're 7 years late...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:06 pm 
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I shipped a couple resin knives to the uk.
They shipped as uscm letter openers.
I had a big problem with the police here in Toronto, because of a movie prop that I purchased.
The very intelligent shipper put into the mail something addressed to me labeled as Bomb(replica).
Well neither the police or the bomb squad liked that very much.
as well the letter office had to be evacuated while it was determined that the package was indeed a non threat.
Some people :?
My package it turns out had to be destroyed.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:29 pm 
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I was told by the police that even though they will not press charges , and they accept my story , i will not get my knives back so i no knives and out of pocket.... :cry:

so i will have to look out , for some more knives...maybe this time just get the handles? :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:22 pm 
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When the manufacturers of the rubber M4 bayonets folk use for airsofting switched to hard plastic, I was somewhat perturbed...

"Sandy, gimme that a sec?"
"OK"
"*WhudTHUNK*"
"WTF?"
"Sorry dude... If I can throw it into a tree, you ain't using it for stealth-kills, lest ye slip and become too literal!"

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:38 pm 
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I've been thinking about making Gerbers, but like I said, I worried about the legalities, and safety of it. And I know, I would feel horrible if I knew someone did something naughty with a replica knife I made.

So I thought about making just the handles, or making the whole thing in rubber.

Would there be much of a call for them? And which one?

Or is everyone well sorted with their Gerber gear already?

Also, what are you guys using for sheathes for your replicas? Especially if you don't have an original sheath to use?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:42 pm 
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Huh huh.
Spat said "Sheath"!

I use a leather bayonet sheath that looks pretty good - And I'd definitely be up for a Gerber handle with rubber or nub blade, or a full rubber Gerber.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:55 pm 
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What about making a Gerber MK2 with a retractable blade. Would it be difficult to hollow cast a handle and then attach the blade with a spring etc?

I know the handle isn't long enough to take the whole blade but still, would be quite cool I think.

I know I'd get one.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:55 pm 
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What would be better? Rubber full blade, rubber nub blade, or resin nub blade?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:57 pm 
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When you say nub, do you mean just a small amount of the blade but not the full length?

A full rubber one would be better in mu opinion but a retractable one would be even better ;) :)

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Who gave Darren a speaking part?

No, we're not making retractable Gerbers.

Go back to making out with your TE Armor and let the grown ups talk.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:07 pm 
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Any chance of a Spulse that, when you pull the trigger, a wee flag pops out and says "BANG!"


And... and... when you fire the grenade launcher, another wee flag pops out and says "BOOM!" :D:D:D


( Actually, I think Darren's idea is pretty cool ;) )

Of the other options, I say full rubber.
Won't shatter when dropped, and if someone wants a nub instead of a full blade... Well, they have teeth.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:15 pm 
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I'll give you a flag that goes BOOM.

A retractable blade on the Gerber does not solve your problem. It's still a Resin knife that can defeat a Metal Detector, and it's still a deadly weapon. It would take 2 seconds to lock the blade or jam the spring and turn it into a dangerous instrument.

I can't tell you how many times retractable blades have failed and injured people on movie sets. Thankfully they're not sharp, but it's still a painful poke.

So, solid rubber Gerbers seems to be the way to go.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:17 pm 
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Did not someone on here do the resin handels? i think he also did rubber ones as well.? will have to search the forum..

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:52 pm 
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On a similar subject... if you import any replica weapons into your country, be sure to DISCUSS what will go on the customs label before it goes out... For instance, my VP-70s go out as "Plastic Toy (China)"


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:12 pm 
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OK, so make a retractable Gerber with a rubber blade ;)

I'll go back to back ground now, no more speaking parts for me. My lips are sore anyway from all that making out.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:18 pm 
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I believe Chris use to make the handle and a wee bit of a blade.

As for what would be nice Spat I would have to chime in with rubber. and second being handle. But like was mentioned it's easy to just get the handle. hehe

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:37 pm 
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sharpuscm wrote:
On a similar subject... if you import any replica weapons into your country, be sure to DISCUSS what will go on the customs label before it goes out... For instance, my VP-70s go out as "Plastic Toy (China)"
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Doms guns turned up yesterday...i was sweating that they might turned up while the police were there.... :lol: i did show the police Doms guns , they said they were ok..but if i did repaint them then i might be breaking the law....

I might have a go at carving the handles from balsa wood or some other wood....

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:15 pm 
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Spatman wrote:
I'll give you a flag that goes BOOM.

A retractable blade on the Gerber does not solve your problem. It's still a Resin knife that can defeat a Metal Detector, and it's still a deadly weapon. It would take 2 seconds to lock the blade or jam the spring and turn it into a dangerous instrument.

I can't tell you how many times retractable blades have failed and injured people on movie sets. Thankfully they're not sharp, but it's still a painful poke.

So, solid rubber Gerbers seems to be the way to go.





I would like a rubber one

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:24 pm 
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but if i did repaint them then i might be breaking the law....
Remind me to tell you the story of when I got stopped at the US border with two of those.... :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:48 am 
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Rubber gerbers...
I have made them in the past.
I didn't like the limp look of the knife so I never offered them to th board.
The problem is the gerber, serrated section of the knife is quite thin.
The rest of the knife is solid.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:56 am 
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sharpuscm wrote:
Remind me to tell you the story of when I got stopped at the US border with two of those...

Contrary to popular belief, Dom is not an International arms dealer. :wink: :lol:

With the springloaded Gerber- I would be concerned it would be misconstrued as a switchblade. Any knife that can open/extend automatically with the press of a switch/button is very illegal here.

Far as I know we don't have any Stealth Knife Act. I've even seen resin knives sold as PDWs at a local surplus shop.

I truly hate hearing stories like this- someone does something innocently and breaks a law that the general public isn't really aware of.

Glad to hear you didn't get into any serious trouble Glenn.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:17 am 
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Thanks Kevin

im glad the police did check up before they came to my house , so they were expecting me to say the knives were for costuming........

if they did not belive me and took it further i could have ended up in court and end up with a police record for 5 years.... my finger prints and DNA would be on record for ever... :cry:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:41 am 
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From HMRC...

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPort ... OD1_025807

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2. Scope of offensive weapons controls

2.1 The Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1959-1961 prohibit the
possession and importation of:

• Any knife which has a blade which opens automatically
by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other
device in or attached to the handle of the knife,
sometimes known as a “flick knife” or “flick gun”.

• Any knife which has a blade which is released from the
handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the
application of centrifugal force and which, when released,
is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever or
other device, sometimes known as a “gravity knife”.

2.2 The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Orders 1988,
2002 and 2004 prohibit the possession and importation of:


• A knuckleduster: a band of metal or other hard material
worn on one or more fingers, and designed to cause
injury and any weapon incorporating a knuckleduster.

• A swordstick: a hollow walking stick or cane containing a
blade which may be used as a sword.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “handclaw”, being a
band of metal or other hard material from which a number
of sharp spikes protrude, worn around the hand.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “belt buckle knife”,
being a buckle which incorporates or conceals a knife.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “push dagger”,
being a knife with a handle that fits within a clenched fist
and a blade that protrudes between two fingers.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “hollow kubotan”,
being a cylindrical container holding a number of sharp
spikes.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “footclaw”, being a
bar of metal or other hard material from which a number
of sharp spikes protrude, worn strapped to the foot.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “shuriken”, “shaken”
or “death star”, being a hard non-flexible plate having
three or more sharp radiating points, designed to be
thrown.

The weapon sometimes known as a “balisong” or
“butterfly knife”, being a blade enclosed by a handle
which is designed to split down the middle, without the
operation of a spring or other mechanical means, to
reveal the blade.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “telescopic
truncheon”, being a truncheon designed to extend
automatically or by hand pressure applied to a button
spring or other device attached to its handle.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “blowpipe” or “blow
gun”, being a hollow tube through which darts or hard
pellets are propelled by the use of breath.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “kusari gama”,
being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at one
end to a sickle.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “kyoketsu shoge”,
being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at one
end to a hooked knife.

• The weapon sometimes known as a “manrikigusari” or
“kusari”, being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain
fastened at each end to a hard weight or hand grip.

• A disguised knife, that is any knife which has a
concealed blade or concealed sharp point and is
designed to appear to be an everyday object of a kind
commonly carried on the person or in a handbag,
briefcase, or other hand luggage (such as a comb, brush,
writing instrument, cigarette lighter, key, lipstick or
telephone).

• A stealth knife, that is a knife or spike, which has a
blade, or sharp point, made from a material that is not
readily detectable by apparatus used for detecting metal
and which is not designed for domestic use or for use in
the processing, preparation or consumption of food or as
a toy.

• A straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheon
(sometimes known as a baton).


BUT an eight inch-long, serated steel, military fighting knife designed for parting ribcages doesn't even raise an eyebrow.

The UK is a strange fish indeed... :roll: :wink:
 

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:12 am 
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Don't get me started on wacko importation laws. :roll:

A lot of the stuff on that list (nearly all of it) is illegal here too.

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