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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:41 am 
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Just home, and I see it like this...

If the first 7 films were albums, this is the "Best Of" greatest hits compilation :)

That's exactly right. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:11 pm 
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I saw it earlier today. It was okay. A lot of people being killed, running around etc. Nothing special. Lots of bits nicked from the other films (even a Gremlins pool bit).

I don't know if I'll get it on BluRay/DVD until it's very cheap. I got all the other films as soon as they were released (yes, even AvP).

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Well I`ll finally get to see it this Wed :(

Though I am still looking forward to seeing the film i must admit :D

Interesting reading the various comments from you all.

Guess I`ll see what I will see on the day :D

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WOW, looks like you boys liked it huh.
I'm glad.....not the best but as punch up movies go it was great :)

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Lots of bits nicked from the other films (even a Gremlins pool bit).


...I thought the same thing myself! I was expecting Stripe to jump out at any second! :D ...That could've been fun: Alien vs. Predator vs. Gremlins! :lol:

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AVP-R proves a few things.

1) John Davis needs slapping with a huge fish and banned from having any involvement with any further film with the word's Alein and Predator in them.

2) Leave casting to someone that actually knows a half decent actor when they walk through the door ( John Davis are you reading? ). As has been mentioned elsewhere, the brothers Strause should just have gone the whole hog and made the humans cgi.Or cardboard cutouts for that matter.

3) Shane Salerno - goto no1. Then lock yourself in a box on a desert island somewhere. Please

4) Find a decent director(s) if you want to make a half decent movie. Scott, Cameron and Fincher are all damn good directors and have all made some superb films since their Alien involvement. Not sure about Junet but then all I'm gonna say is 'the newborn'.For that he gets beaten around the head with a bag of onions. Sod it,he needs a slap with a huge kipper and all. Obviously someone at Fox was good at spotting directors with talent for these films. Find him and hire him again. Leading onto....

5) Don't hire talentless fanboy special effects blokes to direct. Especially when they've got a chubby on for one creature at the expense of the other. As this movie has shown they are in over their heads when it comes to directing something that is even slightly above bargain bin material. As soon as those two stood there like the perverbial Beavis and Butthead giggling because they facehug a little kid then you knew it was doomed. Trying to fill in the gaps, lack of suspence and talent by going down the over the top teen slasher flick gore route makes a mockery of the style and class some of these films were once renowned for.

6) Repeatedly cupping Jim Cameron's nuts with showers of praise, in film homages and the like doesn't guarentee a film will actually be any good. Case proven.

7) Find a decent composer ( which I think Bryan Tyler is ) then get him to compose something new and original. Throwing someone the soundtracks from the previous films and getting the composer to hash them all together doesn't cut it. James Horner, Alan Silverstri, John Frizzell, Jerry Goldsmith and Elliot Goldenthal all called. They want their soundtracks back.

8 Setting a film in a 'real world' time frame and environment means that you actually have to try and make it realistic and plausable. If you can't get the basics right in a real world environment, then set it in space so nobody will notice the bloody huge plot holes you've stupidly created. I doubt Neil Armstrong will see it anyway so make up what you want. Maybe Alien's can scramble cell phone and landline transmissions and setup roadblocks or something.At least for people trying to get out anyway. 'Ah the National Guard are here, wave em past, the boys in town will sort em ...hissssss'

9) Dumbing down a creature that in it's time was downright scary, creepy, intelligent, vicious and often single minded to something that's a weak retarded punchbag for the director's own amusement is a sure fire way to win over half your intended target audience.Even Anderson got that bit right.

10) When the money shot of an Alien movie is a drawn out shot of some birds arse while shes getting her kit off then things really are grim. Or was this just another nod to previous films, this one being to Ripley on the Narcissus? Either way, I'm shallow and wasn't looking at the clock, but it's been done before. Like the music and a lot of other things in this film. ' Get to da chopper' . Oh dear.

As for the Alien Legacy. I think Bones from Star Trek summed it up:

'It's dead Jim'

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Er, well I was 'entertained' by the movie.

I guess at the end of the day, that's what this sort of film is made for, make money and entertain people.

I laughed in all the wrong places but I had a very enjoyable evening! :)

Definitely going to watch it again.

Just skip the 'generic teenage angst sections' and get to the 'beat the crap outta of each other' bits!

Your film critic today was: Andy :D

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Saw it at the weekend.

I enjoyed it, in the same way as I'd enjoy contracting cholera.

Makes me want to puke thinking about what they've done to two of my favourite sci-fi action horror films...


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Don't hold back, Sixty. Tell us what you really thought!

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Yea Sixty,so what did you REALLY think to the film??

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To this day I think it's a scandal that William Gibsons script wasn't used for Alien 3, with some few changes it would have been perfect, and I think kept the franchise as we knew it alive.


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When bad movies happen to a classic franchise.

Aliens was recently named the #1 action film of all time by Entertainment Weekly.

Alien is considered by many one of the best sci-fi monster films ever made.

There absolutely is a standard of storytelling, craft, art direction and character acting that the producers/directors/writers and studio execs should be trying to meet or exceed when they work on an Aliens film. It should always be entertaining too, ofcoarse, but for me, I want it to be a great film besides.

The Predator franchise is less highly regarded, but the first film is a good film, and well thought of in the sci-fi world. I do like both Predator films though, quite a bit.

It's certainly not mindless rubbage, but it isn't quite what Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 grew into over time.

I enjoyed the first AVP film much more than this one simply because it seemed to me to be at least trying to consider the past films, but not just rip them off whole hog in the absence of having it's own identity. If anything can be said for the first AVP film, it has it's own energy. But I don't want a rehash, I don't want a film that just borrows moments from the past stories. I want new "moments" created, you know?

I agree that the problems for the aliens franchise started when the 3rd film fell into development hell. I hated the third film theatrically, it wasn't until the Quad that I watched the special edition cut that I really fell in love with it.

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I've yet to see AvP-R... isn't coming out on dvd next month? :lol:

Gotta agree with what Noeland just said (I liked A3 as well- even before the SE cut- same goes for both Pred films).

Both Franchises have gone the way of Freddy vs Jason. Both of which were truly frightening characters until they became parodies of themselves- combining the two was the death of both series.

Any future AvP movies will probably be more of the same... with cheaper actors.

First and foremost I would like to see another group of Coloinal Marines, but that's not going to happen... ever. So I look forward to an origin story- who are the Space Jockeys? However a movie like that will never be made as it would require a writer, a plot, etc. :roll:

Not to mention it probably scares the studio execs as the entire movie would be aliens without any human characters- it would be like watching an entire film in Klingon. :lol:

So these days the easiest way to throw humans into the mix is to set the movie on modern day Earth (hey no backstory to write/tell, no expensive alien sets to build or CGI :roll: ). And this is what we can expect from now on.

I half expect the next film to be set in a foreign war torn country- (for some reason Russia comes to mind or another European former Soviet Bloc country) with one soilder who steps up and delievers a line like "I've seen these things before" (an Arnie homage).

Rambling over. :wink: :lol:

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Jean-Pierre Jeunet is an outstanding director, whose other movies include A Very Long Engagement, City of Lost Children, and Amelie. Also Delicatessen along with Caro.
He's one of the best French-speaking directors of the moment (I think he may be Belgian rather than French, not sure).
But unfortunately, it doesn't show at all in Resurrection...

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Well just got in from seeing it,didn`t get to watch it last week :(

I really enjoyed it.
I went into the whole affair after AVP (which was alright) not to have high bench marks for AVP-R.

The film delivered to what I expected.
The hommage`s to Aliens,Alien,Predator,Pred2 were all fantastic IMHO. Even hearing the same lines though of course a different actor.

There were a few nice surprises I`d actually avoided reading prior to seeing the film,that I liked.

"Wolf" was a very good Pred to the list of Pred`s we`ve now seen.

The hybrid wasn`t seen as much (I think a good thing),though was surprised how the Hybrid had the heavy walk ala Queen Bug yet was always able to sneak up on "Wolf". Maybe a trait of the Pred gene?

The US Army Recce part I really enjoyed,talk about a serious flashback of Aliens. Just wanted to hear afterwards on the radio to the Sherrif "There all Gone,the Lt & squad are all Gone,What are we gonna do now".

I will certainly be getting the DVD as soon as it`s available & I hope that they are kind enough to give us a fair few extras/deleted scenes.

So if a 3rd AVP film is done,we see the merge of Weyland & Yutani as ONE? LOL

So I enjoyed it & I`m not ashamed to say so.
Teckno Viking enjoyed.

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Jean-Pierre Jeunet is an outstanding director, whose other movies include A Very Long Engagement, City of Lost Children, and Amelie. Also Delicatessen along with Caro.
He's one of the best French-speaking directors of the moment (I think he may be Belgian rather than French, not sure).
But unfortunately, it doesn't show at all in Resurrection...


Jeunet is a brilliant film maker in my opinion. He's made some wonderfully
memorable films. But I'll never forgive him for Alien Res. That film killed
all hopes of another Alien movie.

It's such a careless movie, clearly he wasn't into it. Infact, he was actually
writing Amelie while on set directing Alien Res.
If you're serious about the film you're making, there is no way you
have time or headspace to write another at the same time.

I thought AVP-R is probably the best movie in the Aliens series so far.



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It's such a careless movie, clearly he wasn't into it. Infact, he was actually
writing Amelie while on set directing Alien Res.
If you're serious about the film you're making, there is no way you
have time or headspace to write another at the same time.


Not necessarily defending Jeunet here - I hate Resurrection with a passion, although slightly less than Alien 3 - but I was reading up on Raiders of the Lost Ark yesterday, and I read that while he was shooting Raiders Spielberg dictated a script during shooting breaks - a script that later became E.T. :)

I dunno what happened with Resurrection - Joss Whedon was pretty unhappy with the way his script was treated too.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:53 pm 
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Ok I just saw the film, yeah yeah I know a bit late, but I thought the film was freakin awsome. Way better than the first, and deffinately better that the Garbage that "Alien Resurrection" was. I know from a costuming stand point everything was to dark, but I didn't going it thinking I needed a new Pred costume. The film had a gritty and dark look to it. I liked it. I liked how the Pred Alien worked. It added a fresh bit to the old Mythos of the only the queen can do eggs, facehuggers and whatnot. There wasn't much to the human aspect, but hey they were up against an impossible force, that they knew nothing about and got way over matched. Hey "I dont know if you've been keeping up on current events but we just got our asses kicked pal!" That was the theme of the whole film and I loved it.......

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