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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:51 pm 
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Argh! Who are the Space Jockeys?


Read the comic books your answer is there.

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What happened to the Sulaco?

It continued onto earth and docked with the station. Hance the reason why the company so much about it in Alien 3

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Why doesn't the Predator use his natural born defenses (his mandibles) to tear apart a Facehugger?


Being attacked by a face hugger causes panic so they dont think of it.

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What about the Alien homeworld?

You're probably never going to see it as it was probably over ran by the alien species until it was no longer able to continue on and eventually killed itself out.

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What happened to LV-426?

Anything of value was destroyed by the explosion. The rest is a "bottomless rock."
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The recorded footage from the Colonial Marine's helmet cameras?

Destoryed in the APC wreckage.

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The merc team from Predator 2? The wrist dart from Predator 2?

Sitting right next to the "ark" in washington

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How did Colonel Stevens know about the crashed ship? Is he part of the government agency tracking Predator incidents? What is their relationship to the corporate sector? And how the hell does a Predalien go from burster to full size beastie in three seconds it takes the Predator ship to leave Earth's orbit. Makes about as much sense as Hicks getting IMPALED by an EEV's "safety" beam.

Dunno havn't seen the film yet

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Anyone know if there's a way to unsee a film?

Yes its called a neuralizer....

*For my own safety take none of these answers seriously....

I hate to say it but films like this are no longer a story telling theme, but a money making machine. Nobody cares what the fans wants anymore.........

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Anyone know if there's a way to unsee a film?


LOL! A sharp blow to the head? Drink a bottle of Bacardi 151? Go 88MPH in reverse? Just ideas.

Man am I going to steer clear of AVPR. To some degree these movies belittle the glorious classics from which they are based (loosely).

I'll probably get flamed, but I wish I could unsee everything after Aliens.


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I would hardly call Predator or Predator 2 glorious films.

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I came accross this picture when surfing for AVP-R pictures.

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Hmmm....

I used to live in Gunnison Colorado. If anything, I'd like to see the film to see how badly they screwed up my old town, and how dumb they made the locals look. Gunnison had about 20 city PD, 15 county deputies, and 5-10 Colorado State Troopers there. It also has one highway in and out to the rest of the state (US-50). As for as an isolated setting for a monster movie goes, it seems pretty good.

I have given up hope on anything good coming of an AvP film. I am just wanting to see this one because it has Gunnison in it.


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I came accross this picture when surfing for AVP-R pictures.


LMAO~
I wonder what the lawsuit is over.......

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I would hardly call Predator or Predator 2 glorious films.


I agree with you regarding the Predator series. I wasn't really referring to them in my post.


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I went in open minded and liked it, could it have been better yes, but it could have been a WHOLE lot worse. I actually kinda liked all the parts stolen from the other movies, cheesy yes but at least no one said Arnold's one ugly line.

I wish they would have maybe explained more of Stevenson, or connected him to the other Predator movies.



And for the Marine helmet footage from A2, it probably wound up in company hands, the APC would have shot it to the Sulaco incase something happened so the next team would have had a heads up. Same as how Stevenson had footage of the Xenos from the National Guard guys.


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I can enjoy this film because I know the spirit that created the originals is forever gone, but like pizza, I'd rather have bad Alien films than none at all. The body count and brutal nature of the movie kept me interested. I liked it.


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...but like pizza, I'd rather have bad Alien films than none at all.


What an analogy! :lol:

Sounds like it could be someone's sig line! :wink:

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The recorded footage from the Colonial Marine's helmet cameras?

It was all sent back to 'network' per bishops response in A3

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Why doesn't the Predator use his natural born defenses (his mandibles) to tear apart a Facehugger?

Would melt its face off ;)

I see your points though Willie.
And I must say the homecoming for O'Brien.......if I'd have been away for 12-15 months in Iraq and thats what my husband acted like the first time he saw me.....I'd want to know who he'd been having an affair with.

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I'm planning on hunting down a copy of THIS (youtube link) before Fox deigns to allow us in the UK to watch their movie-film.

I think AvP:R might look like a work of art in comparison.


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I'm planning on hunting down a copy of THIS (youtube link) before Fox deigns to allow us in the UK to watch their movie-film.

I think AvP:R might look like a work of art in comparison.


Ohhh that has Dedee Pfeiffer in it... she was so cute in Vamp.

Burton... yea bad pizza is all we are going to get so why fight it? :)


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(Watches Youtube link...)

WILLIAM KATT?!? :shock: :lol: :shock:


Oi Vay! :roll:


Well... If you want to watch bad... and I mean BAD- you could always rent Starship Troopers 2.

I think the only decent scene in that film was Kelly Carlson (not to be confused with Kelly Clarkson) being completely nekked. :wink:

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Hmmm....

I used to live in Gunnison Colorado. If anything, I'd like to see the film to see how badly they screwed up my old town, and how dumb they made the locals look. Gunnison had about 20 city PD, 15 county deputies, and 5-10 Colorado State Troopers there. It also has one highway in and out to the rest of the state (US-50). As for as an isolated setting for a monster movie goes, it seems pretty good.

I have given up hope on anything good coming of an AvP film. I am just wanting to see this one because it has Gunnison in it.


Unfortunately, the town is Gunnison in name only. The film was actually shot in Vancouver, CA. From what I understand the Gunnison-Crested Butte Tourism Association was contacted to get the names of various businesses... but that's it.

...sorry.

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ill tell you whats stupid...my theater isnt even showing it at all :shock: :cry: :x ! my dad and i will probably have to go to Petosky to see it at all...and yes, i am of the mindset that i am going to see, if for no other reason than that its Xenos and Preds beating the snot out of each other... :D

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Hmmm....

I used to live in Gunnison Colorado. If anything, I'd like to see the film to see how badly they screwed up my old town, and how dumb they made the locals look. Gunnison had about 20 city PD, 15 county deputies, and 5-10 Colorado State Troopers there. It also has one highway in and out to the rest of the state (US-50). As for as an isolated setting for a monster movie goes, it seems pretty good.

I have given up hope on anything good coming of an AvP film. I am just wanting to see this one because it has Gunnison in it.


Unfortunately, the town is Gunnison in name only. The film was actually shot in Vancouver, CA. From what I understand the Gunnison-Crested Butte Tourism Association was contacted to get the names of various businesses... but that's it.

...sorry.


Well that sucks.

British Columbia looks very little like the Gunnison area. I imagine the town will be all screwed up too in general appearance. Oh well, I'll watch just to see what they "think" Gunnison should be.

At least all the college kids there would make ideal candidates for impregnation. Of course all the chestbursters will be born high or drunk. Cretins.


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The film was an absolute disgrace and a waste of celluloid. Yet another film sent out to bastardise the franchise and think it is worth of being called Aliens vs. Predator. Instead of adding in a decent build up, with suspense, tention and horror, FOX and Shane Salerno decided it's be a good idea to make this 1hour and 20 minutes long and throw everything at you in such a short space of time, allowing no proper plot development, or character development.

The lack of character development in this film made me almost cheer when the residents of Gunnison were slaughtered one by one. The lack of talent behind these characters didn't help either with very wooden performances being shot left, right and centre. Suddenly a bunch of teens are handed guns and they know how to handle them....sorry, but that's just stupid. If you've seen any video of people shooting guns for the first time without practice, you'll see how much they screw up. We should never have been introduced to such pointless teen characters who didn't serve any purpose other than to be brutally killed by the creatures. Seeing Aliens in a small town just doesn't work, and took it that one step further from the original films, and also for the simple fact that it doesn't work.

The setting was just rubbish, it was almost like Dawson's Creek vs. Aliens vs. Predator. If anything this film should have been set further in the future when Weyland Yutani were colonising worlds, and the ship should have been found and tugged back to an 'LV426' type environment to only unleash hell on a planet...that isn't Earth.

Now, the creatures...............what the hell happened there? The only improvement? The predator, it was a decent design......until it removed it's bio helmet....I'm sorry but did someone screw up the front-back-side view image in Photoshop for the sculptor? Because that was one massive face! The back of the head was almost vertical, only hidden by the dreadlocks.

The Predalien was a laughable design, and is yet another badly designed creature that pays no attention to Giger's original designs other than it had an Alien mouth. I don't think ADI should continue using their Ressurection design as it's making the aliens look really stupid. The best designs were in Alien, Aliens and Alien 3, and also, I don't think ADI quite understood that the Predalien should have had normal legs like the Predator. This multi-joint design just doesn't work unless the physical structure of the creature has multi-jointed legs, like a dog. In ressurection they ignored this detail in the development cycle (probably due to the fact that, that film was a complete disaster...and yes, it was a disaster). I think if another film is made they need to get large blown up images of Giger's work in their studio so the artists can go...so that's what our creatures should look like.

The aliens....again, what the hell happened? This Ressurection design needs to be thrown out. Sandy Collora got this right with almost no budget, and over $100million later we're still left with the scraps from Ressurection. The Alien design has been ruined and throwing a ridged head one doesn't make it aliens because the rest of the design doesn't follow through, or work. There is almost too much character thrown into the aliens now, I prefer first film's Alien's almost mechanical, biomechanoid, non human styled characteristics, which made it all the more frightening because it wasn't natural. Now they move like they're talking to each other and acting more like Humans...it just wasn't right.

Overall, a pointless waste of of a sequel, which will unfortunately spawn many more bad sequels despite bad Box Office numbers. I really hope this inspires Scott and Cameron to step back into their old routes and stop the AvP films. FOX also need to realise what they're doing....hahaha!! But we all know that won't happen.....unfortunately :x

An utterly disappointing film, and it's up to the fans to let FOX know that they really aren't capturing the Hardcore Alien/Predator fans.

0/10 for me :x

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Oh yeah, remember all that fighting that the Strause Brothers talked about? Yeah I think all that must have been cut out because this had as much action as the Spider-Man/Venom fight in Spider-Man 3.....in other words, it was short and rubbish.

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Sure I heard Gillis and/or Woodruff stating that due to time/budget constraints, they didn't get the opportunity to resculpt a new alien body to go with the new head for AVP-R , so they just used the resurrection/AVP body molds and slapped the new head on top.

Concept artists might come up with ideas for how creatures look and present their ideas, but I guess ultimately it falls on the director(s) to make the final decision :cry:

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To be fair, Sandy Collora did more with less money and man power. With the size of team they had and the not so low budget $40million they had to make the film, they should have done a better job on the creatures at least, especially the Predator's face.

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AVP-R was not high art, nor was it even in the park with any of the films within the respective franchises, but it was a fun popcorn munching ride, and that's basically what I went in expecting.

A treatment in the ballpark of one of the Alien films, or even Predator films, would be nice, but I don't think the idea of AVP was ever taken with the same level of seriousness by Fox as either of their franchises were on their own. But I don't hold Fox entirely responsible for this - AVP has its birth in the comics, and grew up in video games. And generally speaking - films that are based on comics, or video games, are rarely treated with any degree of respect or seriousness unless they are a cultural icon... of course sometimes not even then.

From it's birth AVP has been a balls out, instant gratification, action romp that usually only loosely adhered to the lore of the films. ...Actually, with that in mind I think that AVP on a whole is living up to its roots. And the audience that has come to know and love AVP from comic to game are expecting just that kind of film. They want action, they want lots of creatures, lots of VFX, and little else. And I think the Strause bros. pretty much hit there mark here. So I don't blame Fox completely - I hold Dark Horse and anyone whose produced an AVP game as well. Because of their influence I don't think a film on par with even Alien Resurrection was ever an option.

Does the movie have flaws? Yes. Does it lack character development? Yes. But I think it was a solid effort for a 'vs' film. And as good as an AVP film is, or could be, it's going to suffer for two reasons: both of these franchises hold about as much public interest as space launches these days (outside of the loyal fan base). And two: it's a 'vs' film. Put the term 'versus' in a title and many people (who aren't die hard fans) automatically think 'cheese.' And by nature 'vs' films usually play to a very small core audience, and because of this some of (ok, many) of the things that would be added to play to a broader audience are eliminated so that the target audience can get what they want. Colin Strause even admitted that a lot of the character development had to be cut to keep the pacing of the film up and keep the focus of the film on the creatures because that is what the core audience wants. Which takes me back to my comments on AVP's roots in comics and games.

I would have loved a better film - something on par with ALIENS would have been outstanding, but considering what AVP is, where it comes from, and its goal as a film and franchise I feel that AVP-R really hit its mark, and in the process was an enjoyable film. I actually think it did a better job of capturing the essence of Alien vs. Predator than Anderson's film.

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Sometimes I think the only way fans will ever enjoy a new Alien film is if it has the names James Cameron or Ridley Scott attached to it.

I thought AVP-R was pretty damn sweet. It was the most serious Alien film in more than 15 years, and if people keep expecting an "Aliens" caliber film, they're going to be dissapointed. Aliens is perhaps one of the greatest films of all time - and that isn't something that's easily replicated.

And, IMO, the origonal Predator is a true classic. And that's not sarcasm.

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I think the post-Aliens Alien movies are suffering the same problem that people had with the Star Wars prequels.

They don't live up to the fanboy ideal.

Awww... poor Joe Bob who loves the Classic Trilogy hates that Boba Fett was once a widdle kid so he hates the Prequels.

Poor Joe-Bob the Aliens fan hates how there are no Colonial Marines in other Alien movies...

Same thing.

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It's not that the movies don't have Colonial Marines, or Arnold, etc ...

It's the fact they are intellectually insulting crap that ride the coattails of truly great science fiction films. Alien was not so much an action mystery. It was frightening, calculating and very dark. Even Aliens was not mindless violence for just EIGHTY minutes. There were deep stories, developed characters, and the monsters were not always in your face.

The Predator movies, while not as good as the Alien films in my opinion, still had some of those aspects that separate good movies from bad ones.

AvP ... had Paul WS Anderson, and he is like the King Midas of crap. Everything he touches, no matter how good it was, automatically turns to crap. I have yet to see the newest film, but it looks just as bad.

What does AvP(1 and 2) have to offer? Shaky CGI? Short run times? Bad characters? Crappy Story? Crappy Setting? The best part of these movies seems to be when the credits roll, and they are over.


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