Well, if we look at the actual CMs from the movies, none of them had a real standard for patch placement, so we may be a little liberal.

Personally, I will be going with Derek C's mock-up, I think it looks awesome.

Well, let's see!

1. Sleeve/cuff itself. Note the seam to the left of the buttons. This comes into play in the second picture.


2. Patch placed over buttons. The patch is larger than the area of the piping and sits over that seam.


For some insight, I showed the pic of the blues (with patch on sleeve, above cuff, Sulaco patch, dropship wings) to someone I know within the Marine Corps. The reaction was: "I like the patch. I agree about the placement, I think it looks good. I don't really think its an ostentatious decoration, it gives it just a bit more distinction and difference from the actual blues uniform" (compiled from a IM chat conversation, I removed their name).

I only mention this to show an outside perspective on it; if everyone still hates it, it obviously still gets tossed.

I like those other patches! The "U.S.S. Cerberus" one is very cool...

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CPL Conley, D. A06/TQ2.0.72147E1



"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

Oooookay! Looks like we are closer on the Screaming Animal patch dealybober...

If the majority wants it, then I'll add one on the sleeve too.



Could the rest of our brethern sound off on this please?



DD, did your USMC comrade like the patch on the sleeve cuff or just above the sleeve cuff?

And DD, Kev, yes the Cereberus is our ship in "Dropzone Copernicus"

If patchgeek still has them, I'll have to get another one for this uni, unless I do the velcro bit...cuz we're all out of 'em.

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USCM- The Colonial Marines- A Brotherhood of Bad Asses!

I think it looks good right there, however, I thought we were going to remove the piping there?

Ripper

Me likey.

Just above the cuff. Personally, I don't think the patch works within the cuff at all.

Here's a question: Obviously we get that the USCM uses standard Marine Corps ranks due to the Technical Manual having quotes from those holding the rank of Lance Corporal, etc.

However, the movie uses Army rank insignia.

So, how do those portraying a Lance Corporal here incorporate their rank onto the sleeve of any Colonial Marine uniform... when the Army doesn't have Lance Corporals and so doesn't have a rank patch for it?

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

I've been barking up that tree for a long time. The USCM do not have the currently known USMC ranks. Point finale.

Me second that...Me likey too...


Oh, and the Cerebus was the name of my dropship back in the Almayers Foley days....so I had it first...so nah nah nah...


Derek

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RIP Pvt. Chris Chulamanis A14/TQ4.0.66993E7 You are missed.

Should we take an official vote on this setup?

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

The reason I like it is because I wont have any ranks bars...that kinda makes my arms look empty....


But yes, I think its time for.....A POLL!!!


Derek

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Just above the cuff. Personally, I don't think the patch works within the cuff at all.

Here's a question: Obviously we get that the USCM uses standard Marine Corps ranks due to the Technical Manual having quotes from those holding the rank of Lance Corporal, etc.

However, the movie uses Army rank insignia.

So, how do those portraying a Lance Corporal here incorporate their rank onto the sleeve of any Colonial Marine uniform... when the Army doesn't have Lance Corporals and so doesn't have a rank patch for it?[/quote]

The marine rank of lance corporal is the E-3 the same as the PFC rank in US Army

My preference is no screaming patch nor ship patch on right breast. It isn't a deal breaker, though.

Well I'll initiate the poll in a minute.

Hudson was a PFC wasn't he? Isn't that one cheveron? Might have to go with that Derek.

Or you could just remain a corporal.

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?!

Well Sarge, looking back over the old Almayers Foley data, it seems that I am already a PFC..


but I promise not to be too good to eat with the rest of the grunts.



Derek

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RIP Pvt. Chris Chulamanis A14/TQ4.0.66993E7 You are missed.

That is awful. No, I can't suggest anything different. I just had to let it out. Seriously, nothing wrong with playing dress up as a USCM, but this, this is taking it too far.

You want to know what kind of a public reaction your are going to get, take that around to some recruiting office and show that to some Marines. Wear armor, because you'll get your butts kicked.

Time for me to leave. Good luck.

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Dude, thats the very reason why we are removing any and all insignia that has to do with the actual USMC...

we are using all made up/existing USCM patches etc. to "play" dress up. We are in NO way misrepresenting the USMC in any shape, form, or fashion. We had this discussion in this very thread already. So, I dont think anybody will start any crap with us for playing dress up with an existing uniform that we are resurrecting.


Derek

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RIP Pvt. Chris Chulamanis A14/TQ4.0.66993E7 You are missed.

With all due respect Master Sergeant, I think you have absolutely no idea what we're doing here. This is something that we'll be wearing within convention walls, where everyone within knows exactly the context of what everyone inside said walls are doing... representing fictitious characters (on the exception of historical re-enactors). If you think any of us plan to wear this anywhere near a US recruiting center, you must think we're some kind of idiots.

And so, I'll say thank-you for your input in the discussion of this project... but I certainly don't enjoy the insinuation that we're irresponsible bozos who'll wear this stuff in public sectors, causing mis-representation... especially around recruiters.

You've probably already left- but I will wish you success in your endeavors, whatever they may be.

We actually have had some reactions from other real Marines. And for the most part they have been positive.

And it's pretty much a given that the only time we will be "out in public" with this ever evolving uniform is when we are walking across the street from the Marriott to the Hyatt or Hilton at D-Con.

I dunno.

Derek (DevilDog)- could you show this around a bit and see what other opinions you get?

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And walking to the Hard Rock Cafe...


We talked about removing the cuff flap, but the sleeve is lined, and we felt it was more work to make it look good after it was removed...

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USCM- The Colonial Marines- A Brotherhood of Bad Asses!

True enough, however, Lance Corporal rank is not simply one chevron, as a PFC is in the Army.

USMC Lance Corporal rank has crossed rifles underneath.

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

Oddly enough, I have. I'll post responses... sans names, of course.

I sent the image to an active Staff-Sergeant friend of mine. His response was, "I love ALIENS! That's awesome!!!"

I sent it to a reserve Gunnery-Sergeant friend of mine. His response was, simply, "sweeeeeeeet!" (the rest of the e-mail was about other non-related stuff)

I sent it to a retired Colonel I know. His response was, "I have no problem with that whatsoever."

I sent it to a Captain. His response was, "Got any Officers?!?!!"

I sent it to another Staff-Sergeant. His response was, "It's a damn coat; who cares." (then he went on to make fun of me for "dressing up" but... it's all in good fun because he's a damn Trekkie...)

To be perfectly honest, I've yet to receive a negative response to it. However, this does not mean that no one will be offended. Then again, you can't please everyone.

Apparently some folks will be upset by this, but not by Gorman's Charlie uniform, which is also immediately recognizable as being derived from a USMC uniform?

I stated it before; someone prancing around in a full USMC dress blue uniform, claiming to have been a Marine... I would have serious issue with. I would also have issue with the EGA remaining on this uniform (which obviously it is not).

Simply put: This is costuming. Nothing more. It will be worn in venues where costuming is accepted, and encouraged, and where creativity is embraced.

It will be worn by people who, if approached and asked if they are "real" Marines, would (I trust) immediately explain who and what they are portraying.

I have utmost respect for the MSgt and his service to Corps and country; his rank and retired status clearly show how much of his life he dedicated to the service... however, I must politely disagree with his assessment of this particular project.

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

PFC is chevron and rocker




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That's what I get for posting at some ungodly hour of the night/morning.

I never paid much attention to Army ranks anyways... having been a Marine and all.

My faux pas.



Anyways, my whole point was that the Army had no equivalent rank insignia.

This, however, is pretty far off-topic... yes?

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

We're removing the buttons from the flap, right? The cuffs seem kinda busy...if we also remove the piping on the cuffs, perhaps that would provide more "clean" open area to offset the rank patches (and any others).

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I think the idea is now to leave the cuff detail. It was thought that removing it is too much of a hassle.

If it is again decided that it should be removed I will be happy to produce a walk through guide to quickly and easily removing the cuff, restiching the seam and restitching the lining.

I performed a similar job only the other day to convert the cuffs on a greatcoat. Took me no more than 5 minutes to re-attach the lining in each sleeve by hand.

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