Ahhh, but this is what I like about it.

Yeah... jumping off of some con hotel room's balcony into the pool while in full kit doesn't count, man.

And yes... I can see you doing this.

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If it'll make a good photo op... I'm willing to recce the pool next year in armour... who's in?

I'll laugh my ass off as all the armor melts.

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Yes, my chocolate armour would never take the beating... where did I put my head?!?

I don't know how plastic does with chlorine and such is all. Hmm... Chocolate armor... any Swiss members want to try that one?

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Okay, so someone mentioned the delta device with the "Colonial Marines" rocker underneath it.

What's the general feeling on that?

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

You know, that does sound pretty cool. I bet it would look good together. On one hand, it saves having to have the "Colonial Marines" patch be a custom made one, saving us dollars.

I really like it.

Is it too much to have the Delta then on the collars as well?

Personally, I don't have a problem with it.

Screaming Eagle on Right Shoulder-
Delta & Colonial Marines on Left Shoulder-

Collars- Delta pins- custom made-

But, if it's two many Deltas, what about country flag on left collar and rank on right collar?

Or something to that effect.

Did we decide what to do about country flags?

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How about the Alien style US and Brit Triangles for a flag patch? Sort of a homage?

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I'm into the country flag, I'll be wearing my UA flag though. I'm not too nuts about the rocker though, because it is U.S. specific and this will interfere with the theme of the UKCM and UACM personnel.

Understand.

Then we'll have to look into custom "Colonial Marines" patches?

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Ok, that's my fault, I was thinking the rocker only had Colonial Marines on it. I would definately agree that if we do a rocker we drop the U.S. from it.

Good point. I like the UA flag... where can we obtain those?

And Dom, where were you going to place the country flag? Are we all in agreement that this would be good (I think it'd be awesome, really...) But if so, placement needs to be uniform, yes?

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
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Why... the UA flag can be obtained through my QM of course... Click here for gear pal! I'm still down for the flags on the left shoulder... only makes sense to put it there.

What about this:

Country flag + rank, left shoulder.

Delta device + rank, right shoulder.

I don't think this would throw the symmetry off too terribly.

Screaming Eagle patch... errr.... somewhere. *ponders*

-or-

Screaming Eagle, both shoulders.

Rank pins on epaulets?

*rips out hair*

So many options...

Personally, I want the Screaming Eagle. Also, I prefer the rank on the shoulder. But how to do it without cluttering the uniform?

Because... if you did Screaming Eagle/rank on both shoulders/arms... I think the rank would be almost down to the elbow, which... IMHO... would look like poo.

OR... country flag/rank left shoulder.... UA flag/rank right shoulder?

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
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AS for the buttons, collar devices, etc ...

Simple, flat brass buttons for the jacket, cuffs, etc would be easy, and streamlined, and not the much of a reach for a futuristic uniform. They are easy to polish too - which is important. Its really easy to spot a half ass, laquer coated piece of brass and tell it apart from a bare metal, hand polished one. Plus, you can find a standard sized, flat brass button anywhere, making it possible for ANYONE to get into the costume, not just the people that managed to get in on a "limited run."

That's why I think things like surplus dress jackets, blue/black trousers with a stripe added, clarino (patent leather) shoes, etc are best. Just about anyone can find, and modify one without needing to find many custom made or limited run pieces.

Using existing patches and stuff just reinforces my position. They can be picked up on E-Bay easy. I don't know if there were UACM or UKCM rockers though, but ... if there were, they could be used instead of the US ones. A subtle change that reflects the wearer's origin without screaming "hey look at me, I am different!"

As for the overall look, I think the less the better. The simpler the uniform, the better it can look. Huge, multicolored patches, pins, etc start to get a little hard on the eyes. I think you can take "being distinctive" too far. From catching up on the backposts, a lot of people are afraid they might be mistaken for real marines (and therefor offend the real deal), and need something to make sure they are different, and easily recognizable. Loading the jacket up with patches, pins, etc can really make it look like a futuristic Napoleon's uniform in no time.

I take it using the actual EGA is out, in any form? I saw it in the movie on Drake's T-shirt, and Gorman's service cap, as US Colonial Marines, I don't think its a reach for them to be actually using it. Is it too much for us to use it? I mean the Colonial Marines seem to be taking a lot from US military (United States v United Systems argument aside) from their equipment to uniform designs, so is it really all that bad to continue the trend and base the dress uniform along the lines of something US as well? We do want it to look like a logical addition, and something that "could" have been taken and used in the movie, right? I mean we are not reenactors, and they wear exact duplicates of service uniforms, and a lot of the ones I know where never in the service, let alone cadets or ROTC.

I'm not trying to cause trouble, but looking back at what I have mentioned, I can see how it might be construed that way. I am not trying to cause trouble! Just posting some observations on things!

Here's a thought... our Warrant Officers, Master WOs and Chief WOs wear their rank devies on their sleeves... how would the Screaming (Animals) look there?

example

True, there is evidence of it on certain uniform pieces... but I'm guessing it was used for ease of obtaining. I also feel we should steer clear away from the modern-day EGA to avoid the misrepresentation issue.

Wow, this is both hard, yet getting closer.

Points-

Screaming Eagle on right shoulder on bdu's-

Replace w/ Delta and Custom Colonial Marines patch or leave as is?

Country Flag on left shoulder on bdu's-

Leave as is-

Ranks on both arms-

Delta patch / Colonial Marines on left shoulder above country flag?

Or...

getting a headache...

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Ease of obtaining is pretty important though right? The original costumes were made of things easy to find and on hand, so why not the ones we have? It's cheaper, easier and in a sense accurate.

As for misrepresentation, that CAN be a problem, depending on the wearer of the uniform. Reenactors were exact copies of military uniforms, and pretend to be real life military personnel. We are pretending to be futuristic Marines from a futuristic branch of the US Military roughly based on the US Marine Corps. I think there is a lot of difference there, and in the costumes used on screen from the real deal.

Has to be a balance I guess - between too much, and not enough. I think that subtle color changes, and details can be enough, if done properly.

I'm going to have to quit my job so I can stay home 24/7 to keep abreast of this thread!

Truthfully I hate having shoulder patches on a dress uniform as they are loud.

And (unfortunately) the "Screaming Animal" patch in particular. It looks great on BDUs- not so much on a dress uniform. Unfortunately the only time we've seen it on anything other than BDUs is Gorman's service C shirt. And because he was an LT- he didn't have any rank badge on his sleeve for some perspective.

If we do go with the Screaming Animal patch- it goes on the right shoulder. It will be too long to have a rank badge fit underneath it (especially on my short sleeves ) so there will only be one rank badge worn on the left sleeve.

I don't want to see any badges or flags on the front of the uniform (above the breast pockets) as I can envision it becoming like a NASCAR jumpsuit.

I do really like the idea of a custom COLONIAL MARINES (specifically without the "US") mudguard on the left shoulder over the flag patch. The readily available "US COLONIAL MARINES" rocker patch is useless in this case as it curves downward, not upward as needed for a shoulder flash- so we can't even get those for the purpose of altering them ourselves.

As far as I'm concerned the current USMC EGA is off limits. If you purchase a Dress Blues tunic- all EGA symbols (collar pins and buttons) must be removed and replaced with plain brass buttons (we will have to discuss where to get those so we all match).

I know that earlier (perhaps it was in another thread)- I too mentioned about the current EGA on Drake's shirt. I kind of had an inkling of retaining it for the cap badge. Well that was wrong of me. Misrepresentation is an issue.

I do like rank badges. If we go with the Eagle/Beaver/Lobster, you will only have to purchase one rank badge. I want to retain the Delta collar pins as they represent the EGA collar pins- there's no rank on the collar of a set of USMC Dress Blues if you know what I mean.



Here?



No seriously. Here?

I'm just funning with you Bro.

But I don't think it would work there.

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How about no rank on sleeves but rather pins on collars for rank?

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How about rank pins on the shoulder "flaps" (or what ever theyre called)...like how Generals wear their stars there??


Derek

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Ok...The quote for the Delta pins came back...

Qty. 100 - 3/4" Custom Cloisonne Lapel Pins - $ 2.78 each
- 1.2mm thick copper metal with plating of your choice
- 8mm post and butterfly clutch attachment
- Individual zip lock poly bags for each lapel pin
FREE - Artwork and Design Services
FREE - Setup
FREE - Mold Fee
FREE - UPS Shipping: Applies to US orders only
10-Day Production Time

Total: $ 278.00


Doesnt sound bad to me and Rex...ALSO...they do custom patches..and if we can get a good design for the Colonial Marine patch, Ill send them the design and get the quote...


Derek

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Hey, just a thought... I'm sure it would look better if it were a lobster.
They're calle epaulettes.

*sigh*


Ok- I would really like to have a rank badge on the arm, but I'd be willing to entertain Derek's suggestion of putting rank pins on the epaulettes.

It would mean having the arms less cluttered so we could have the Screaming Lemur (ok last animal joke I swear) on the shoulder and Flag/ CM patch on the opposite one.

What do you think Dom?

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