I love this sort of thing...

for me, I think it's quite clear that from every single picture that can be produced it's probably fair to say that not all of them were painted using the same colours at all.

The propstore one above seems to have 'black' rather than very dark green along with a light grey. The long haired hippy sporting Frost's armour seems to have a medium grey.

And then this one here...



Looks to have a very light green (possibly 80 or 78 ish). with a lighter grey and possibly the german red/brown.



Either way... They are ALL supposedly screen/production made. And ALL look very different. So that's either lighting or different paint, or a combination of both.

Whilst I am as nerdy as the next man in terms of nailing it down to a specific paint number, I do think a lot of it comes back to Kris' original post of 'go with the Mk1 eyeball'.

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This mystery will never be solved unless we manage to bring each and every procuction made/screen used set of armour into one room, snap thousands of pics of them next to each other in same lighting conditions and then draw our conclusions. Which will, of course, never happen.

Until then, it's a subjective "free-for-all" and naming/pinpointing the exact shades are just conjecture.

Thanks Rob the Mk1 eyeball has always been good to me so I will always say if unsure go with that, unless of course your colour blind then get someone else to do it

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You know I swear I read somewhere that there were 3 different people painting the armor and they each "hid" their initials in the camo pattern. It always made perfect sense to me as we saw different styles in the schemes (long winding whispy like Frost and Ski, short blocky like Dietrich, etc)

Does anyone have any idea where that may have come from? An article or an old post? It is just one of those things I know I heard but can't pin down where I read it. If actually true (and not a figment of my imagination ) it could also possibly explain the color differences as the trio may not have been pulling from the same tins.


In anycase, my Eyeball shoots a bit wide at times, but I like it. Eyeball all the way for me.

Something I noticed...check out the cammo pattern variations. Was there more than one set of armor made for the main characters such as Hicks?

Yes, there were at least 3, and another breast plate that was used for the acid burn.

see:

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Take a look please!

Rob postet following pictures in the SHOW YOUR ARMOR topic!



He wrote following under his picture: "The buckles are painted in Humbrol 30 Matt Green from a spray can, and the lighter of the two greens on the chest plate is painted in Humbrol 30 Matt Green from a tin! They're two flipping different colours!"

and now...take a look:



What do you think?

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It's certainly possible...

I've emailed Humbrol to find out what the heck is going on, and which is the 'correct' shade of 30 as far as they are concerned.

I'll let you know what they come back with.

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I know... I am not the only one who is trying to figure out which humbrol colors are the correct ones used as camouflage painting on the USCM armors...

but I am really sure that this colors are correct:

1: Green: Humbrol 30 Matt Green from a spray can (different green than the Matt 30 Green from a tin)
2: Yellow/Sand: Humbrol Matt 94 from a tin
3) Black: Humbroll Matt 91 from tin
4) Brown: Not 100% sure - just searching for the 100% correct brown!
5) Grey: Humbrol Matt 147

Take a look:




Large: https://www.facebook.com/lastmarinestanding/photos/ms.c.eJyzMDM2NrS0NDE3MDazNDTWswDyjYwsDYyBAkYWJgBl2wZT.bps.a.802956849739890.1073741832.788586591176916/863319947036913/?type=1&theater

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Great thread, guys!

What do we think then? Are Terry's current colours and paint schemes correct?

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I would say that his current colors are not the same as the '86 sets. But the color palette posted earlier is definitely what he uses now.
As for the older sets, while revisiting my collection of Humbrols, just when I was pretty sure of using Matt 76 like Starwarschick did, on a whim I gave matt 105 a try, and I'll be damned. In my photographic attempts under various lighting and with and without flash, it looks blue green as it does in some pics of the Hudson armor, and looks grass green as it does in other pics like the Crowe and Wierzbowski armor. I haven't weathered it yet, so I can't say for sure, but it DOES seem to be mutable enough with the right lighting to match up with all the various shades seen in all the photos. SO FAR.... I need to do a bit more experimentation. And amusingly enough, it's a color that I totally dismissed as being a contender when I first made a tiny test swatch.

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Don't know why, but I can only add one pic... Not perfect, but at least it's a taste... The center green is unweathered 105. The top is 76 and the bottom is 101...both with some acrylic black weathering as well as grate polish.

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I personally think that the 147 is too light.

Having seen Harry's set it is greyer in the flesh. But having bought practically every grey on the Humbrol scheme I still can't find the correct one. They're all either too dark or too light.
It's possible it might be due to Terry's darkening method back then, but using currently available types of grate polish it doesn't quite match up.


I think the problem that we have is that is it 'possible' that various armour sets (as we know there were more than one per person) might have been painted in different colours. On Harry's set there is a 'repair' on the abdominal plate, where it's clearly painted with two different browns (which I am sure are 98 and 160 (repair) browns).

Without having them all in one place at one time it would be impossible to say either way.


And then we have the fact that Humbrol drastically changed it's colour palette over the years. The number of available colours has diminished quite dramatically since 1986, and some have even changed hue. 170 being a perfect example of a colour that has suffered BOTH fates. It changed hue, and then was discontinued.

So we do have to face the possibility that the correct colours may not even exist any longer.

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Never mind...sorry...for whatever reason it keeps uploading the same pic as above.

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Chef - I think I have to agree with you... Obviously different paints used in different armour sets... All painted in a hurry as I recall... And they've changed colours since... Talk about shifting sands...

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Is there any possibility that they used acrylic colors and not enamel?

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Humbrol enamels were abundant at the time... I can't see them having used acrylics... As I recall the main acrylics available at the time were the ones from Games Workshop... And they wouldn't be as hard wearing as the enamel paints on the aluminium...

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Soon I'll test the Matt 30 Acrylic spray on my armour. Then I'll paint the brown, sand and black on it. And I'll mix German Red Brown with another Brown to get the right color!

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The center is Humbrol 105? Looks quite convincing to me in the picture.
I guess I'll have to order a tin to see it in person.

Cheers,
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Yes, 105 is the center color on the aluminum plate on the left, and the top color on the knee plate. It's an interesting color because it appears much darker and greener in person. It was only after I tried some different lighting and flash photography (albeit with my phone) that I found that it does actually appear similar. I'm doing a quick sample job on one of my greaves to see how it looks on a larger scale, since I plan to strip it and repaint it anyway. I'll try and get some pics of it tomorrow before work.

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Please, trust me guys! 105 is the wrong green. The correct green is petrol and not a yellow/grass green! There are few pictures most of the people are using as reference for their painting but sadly this pictures are wrong cause of a strong yellow lighting in the photography!

The best green and maybe the correct green is the Humbrol 30 SPRAY CAN Acrylic green! Please feel free to compare this pictures. The first one is influenced by yellow light, the second one is shot by/in daylight.

First: Wrong Colors
Second: Correct Colors

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I haven't tried the Humbrol 30 spray paint, so I can't comment on it.
However, my current armor is painted with Humbrol 30 (brush) and I have to say that it definitely gets too dark after the Zebo (Graphite) treatment.

The originals show much more contrast between the black green and the base green.

Cheers,
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Yes, this is what I have regognized, too!

Then Rob posted this picture! Compare the Matt 30 (brush) with the buckles (Spray)! Amazing, isn't it?

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Ah, ok! That's quite a difference!
However, to my knowledge, Humbrol didn't have any acrylic spray paints at the time of the movie.

The colors I used on my armor are Humbrol 30 (Dark Green Matt), 110 (Natural Wood Matt), 98 (Chocolate Matt), 91 (Black Green Matt), 147 (Light Grey Matt).
Except for the base color, I think those are a good match.

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No, there where no acrylic sprays but at this time, the humbrol matt 30 enamel color has had the color like today the acrylic spray...time changed, colors changed, systems changed!

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