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 Post subject: Re: Anyone have any reference photos of the PPIG?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:00 pm 
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Here's what I have. Click to enlarge.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:42 pm 
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Mantroon wrote:
I just wondered if anyone had any other pics knocking around? *cough* Kevin Burton *cough* ;)



Here let me pull mine out and take a bunch of pics of it. :)

Oh... That's right... :cry: :roll:


Pictures are all I have at the moment (the PIG Mk II is still a work in progess :wink: ).

If you want a horde of shots of what "I" put together you're welcome to as many as I have. But I will say that the PIG Mk I while inspired by the Tech Manual, wasn't exactly a direct copy of it.

The PIG Mk II hopefully* will be closer to the depiction in the Manual. :wink:

Anyway here's a bunch of shots:


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Any questions Paul, don't hesitate to ask! :delta:

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*I don't like using the word "hopefully"- The Marine Corps was not built on hopes; the Marine Corps was built on doing! :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:06 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:13 am 
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I remember the person that did the PIG pic in the tech manual did up a shot of the left side of the weapon when one of us asked him about it. Alas, I cannot FIND that pic anymore...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:09 am 
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Kevin, your PPIG may not have been Tech Manual accurate but it will always be THE PIG!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:12 am 
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Im trying to build my own PIG aswell and i personally think the Tech Manual verson is all backwards! the sights seem to be on the wrong side! my own should be finished soon so i will throw up pics then!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:57 pm 
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To me, it looks like the main part sits directly on top with a moveable eyepiece (like the M56 headset) that rotates out for use.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:08 pm 
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Like the rest of my Costume ive gone a bit EU with my PIG, its the same basic design just change a little (moved targeter, that kinda thing) if it hadnt been raining so much today i owuld ahve got it painted!!!

soon my friends i promis!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:32 pm 
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I think I was the one who asked Lee Brimmicombe-Wood (TM author) about the PIG a few years ago. At the time I was working on a 3D model and I wanted to check some details.

Over the course of one or two emails he gave me the following information - so this is straight from the source. 8)

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The right hand end on the drawing is obviously the firing aperture. The rear of the firing tube vents some of the overpressure gasses to reduce recoil. (The plasma pellets may be of light mass, but they still deliver a kick which the recoilless mechanism compensates for.) Backblast is minor, but I wouldn't stand in the way.

At the front is a small blast shield. The chance of particulate matter blowing back is tiny, but Cadmium Telluride dust is a toxic hazard if ingested. The shield prevents it travelling back along the boundary layer along the surface of the firing tube.

Two-thirds back along the tube is a shaped plastic shoulder rest on the left hand side (not shown). On the right side is the flip-open casing for the ammo feed and magazine. FYI, inside the tube here are the laser collimator and the magnetic coils, so most of the critical electronics are around this location. The weapon's balance point is around here also.

Clipped to the top of the casing is the sighting optics. A video eyepiece offsets to the left (i.e. Where the firer's eye is).

Forward of this is a handgrip on the right hand side. This is an adjustable grip that swings downward from a front hinge and is gripped in the right hand. There is a broad bar on the inside (on top in the illustration) - a 'dead man' switch which must be squeezed to prime the weapon for firing. On the grip is a firing button that must be depressed to fire (not shown).

NB It's not a pistol grip _per_se_, though it is used to steady and aim the weapon. It's a fairly chunky piece of metal and plastic; a real handful. I once saw this big Colonial Marine sergeant fire one on the range and it almost looked bigger than his hand could encompass. He said it was comfortable, though. The pivot point is on the forwardmost corner, by the tube. The pivot is notched so you can pull it down and it holds its position.

The dead man switch is squeezed with the palm. There's actually two detents to this switch. The first detent activates a diagnostic which reads out data to the video eyepiece. The manual recommends this is run before each engagement. The second detent primes the weapon for firing by cycling the discharge generator. This takes about 3 seconds. Once primed the charge can be held for only about 20 seconds before the weapon must either be fired or powered down.

Anyway, once primed, the firing control is a round button, placed about 10 o'clock on the grip.

Since the right hand is used to hold the firing grip and aim, the left hand cups the firing tube to the left side or top of the weapon for additional stabilization.

The ‘bumper’ under the muzzle is plastic. Actually, its main function is more like a guard - to prevent the user sliding their hand
too close to the firing aperture. But you can also use it as a rest.

By the way, there's a slight hum from the power pack as the discharge generator runs up. It's a tiny, low noise, but noticeable from a few metres away, and can be detected by infrasonics. The M78A2 is supposed to fix this problem. Extra shielding or something. But it's going to be another year or so before it's released into service, and the Army are getting it first. Colonial Marines I spoke to are pissed at being way down the appropriations list, as usual.

The thing that freaks most people about the PIG is the sound - or lack of it. It's like a loud, asthmatic "PAH" noise. Much quieter than an unsilenced pistol.

Just a quick word on usage. A Marine LTC I once talked to said his men don't use the weapon against Panzers. They reckon it's not much use against medium armour on the glacis and you have to angle for flank shots. And anyway, the sighting system is useless against modern optical camo and shielded IR. Their primary use for the thing is in reducing bunkers, sangars, foxholes and the like. The PP ammo goes clean through all but the most packed earthen banks and slices through most forms of 'crete. In a nice confined space the plasma disperses in a superheated ball and roasts the occupants.

They use this sort of thing in MOUT (Military Operations in Urban Terrain) as well, only there are two problems there: first is the backblast which is small enough to be relatively harmless in a confined space, but may still stir up dust and give away your position. The other problem is that it makes neat, tiny holes in walls. What the Marines want in MOUT is something that will make a breach big enough to shoot through or even climb through.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:26 am 
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...and built with a donation hat passed around before dinner. :delta:


Indeed! Were it not for the generosity of you all, I probably would never have repurchased the parts to rebuild the PIG.

She'll live again!


And Mike... WOW! :shock:

What a great amount of info right from the horse's mouth! :mrgreen:

The design of the PIG seems to make a bit more sense now. I've always shouldered my weapon on my right shoulder, with my left hand on the forward grip- but it seems I've gotten it backwards (flipped actually). I should have set it up to rest on my left shoulder with my right hand on the foregrip. My left hand should wrap up and around the tube itself.

Which is how the PIG Mk II will now be designed!

It was the blast shield that threw me off (mainly because I believed the holes in the shield were meant to be looked through- kind of like the shield of a Panzerschreck). Now I understand that it is there to protect the operator from the back blast of harmful discharge when the weapon is fired.

I also had no idea that the foregrip swivels downward slightly to become a pistol-like grip. I'm not sure if I'll be able to incorporate this or not. I'll probably just have it fixed in place at an angle. At any rate the new foregrip I purchased for the build will look a lot more like the pic in the Manual! :delta:

(And she'll be Brown Bess this time too. :wink: )

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:37 am 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:41 am 
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Umm.

Maybe I should ask Simon Atheron. :wink:


It's gonna be Brown Bess. :P


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:10 am 
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Sarge, I think you had it on the correct side (emphasis mine):
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Two-thirds back along the tube is a shaped plastic shoulder rest on the left hand side... A video eyepiece offsets to the left (i.e. Where the firer's eye is).
So it definitely sounds as though it needs to sit on your right shoulder. :)

But with your right hand forward, as you said.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:23 pm 
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Okay I see that now.

I also think I see what the eyepiece is supposed to be in the illustration:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:39 pm 
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DAM HIDDEN EYEPEICE!!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:50 pm 
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such a beautiful device of war.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:27 pm 
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Mike, at the time, didn't he (Lee Brimmicombe-Wood) also post some additional photos of the PIG?
I seem to recall some views that were never published?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:37 pm 
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SSgt Burton wrote:
Okay I see that now.

I also think I see what the eyepiece is supposed to be in the illustration:


Kevin


I think the "plasma" is probably in the back pack, you are pointing to the shoulder rest, IMO

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:37 pm 
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Thats pretty good, I dont recall seeing a rocket launcher in the Alien films, either Im very blind or just idiotic lol

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:32 pm 
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Thats pretty good, I dont recall seeing a rocket launcher in the Alien films, either Im very blind or just idiotic lol
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The latter.

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I fairness he's actually deaf not stupid since no Missile Launchers are depicted in Aliens although RPG's and Phased Plasma Pulse Rifles are mentioned along with Nukes, Knives and Sharp Sticks in Hudsons "Ultimate Badass" Monologue!

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