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 Post subject: Australia and the HCG Pulse Rifle
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:40 pm 
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Has anyone else had a problem getting these in Australia?

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Hi All,

Longtime fan, first time poster.

Some frustrating news affecting Australian Alien/Aliens collectors.

The long awaited, and to many, the Holy Grail of Aliens collectables, the M41A Pulse Rifle prop replica, is being seized and destroyed by Australian Customs as importers orders arrive into the country!

I have this on 'very good' authority working in the collectables business and also being a major collector of Alien/Aliens items for over 30 years now.

I have posted the reasons for the seizure on the Alien Hive forum and also contacted Hollywood Collectable Group about the decision to deny the prop replica entry into Australia.

It seems that the item allegedly contains authentic elements from several real weapons effectively voiding the 'replica' criteria for prop and fantasy weapons by Australian Customs.

Even though the pieces do not make the replica capable of firing a projectile, Australian Customs has apparently deemed this as contravening the replica entry criteria which states that any
'replica' must not be able to fire a projectile or in any way be modified to be able to fire a projectile.

So far thirty three ( 33 ) M41A prop replicas have been seized and destroyed with more to follow as further importers orders come into Australia and I also undersatnd that the soon to be released District 9 prop replica weapons will also be seized and destroyed too!

So from a worldwide run of 1000 M41A prop replicas you can now scrub off at least 33 with more to follow thanks to Australian Customs.

This is a genuine and distressing issue as the retail price for Australian collectors of the M41A prop replica is around $1500.00 Australian, many collectors have paid in full for their order with no chance of any credit or refund as a result of the action by Australian Customs.

Both Sideshow and HCG have contacted Australian Customs but they will be hard pressed to reverse this decision.

If you choose to publish this please refer me as Foles36.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:47 pm 
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This bit puzzles me:
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.....or in any way be modified to be able to fire a projectile...

I could take a vacuum cleaner, rip out the innards and fit a mortar inside (thereby modifying it), so have they banned all electrical goods too? :roll:

I feel sorry for the Aussies who've lost out on this. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Australia and the HCG Pulse Rifle
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:56 pm 
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Replica firearm laws are convoluted at best. It is my understanding that Australia is one the strictest.

But I think the poster Willie quoted might be misinterpreting the Australian replica law.

Here in Canada if a device fires a projectile (the exception being airsoft), it is NOT a replica.

If it is the same in Australia then one of their criteria (of what is a replica) is that the device must NOT be able to fire a projectile or be converted to fire a projectile.

Far as I know the HGC PR does not and cannot be converted to fire a projectile, thus falling into the "It is a replica" category.

And I figured something like this would happen. :(

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:15 pm 
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Like most countries with strict firearms laws....if it looks like a gun then to the public it 'IS' a gun and will be treated as such.

This sucks.....33 lost and no refunds possible?? WOW!!

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 Post subject: Re: Australia and the HCG Pulse Rifle
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:30 pm 
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Story may not be true. I talked to HCG about it, and they said out of the 9 units shipped through The Big Bad Toy Store, none were held up or destroyed by customs.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:42 pm 

Country: New Zealand
http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/faq/regFireArmsWpnsQusts.htm

"For import of all non firing replica weapons an Importation of weapons police confirmation - B709A, B or D – Import Permit is required by Australian Customs."

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http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/legisltn/current/w/weaponscatr97.pdf

so they might also be classifying them as category R (it is a replica of a Thompson SMG after all) which requires a collectors firearms license as well as a police permit to import.

Although the rules probably vary state to state.

Luckily, New Zealand just has an "imitation firearm" category, where pretty much anything goes...

A toy importer may have a bit more flexibility with customs than a private importer and they may have filled in the appropriate paperwork.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:53 am 
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For what it's worth, the last airsoft pulse rifle I built with working airsoft Thompson and resin GL section and was sold to an individual down under, WAS siezed and WAS destroyed by Australian customs.

Airsoft by it's definition is a replica firearm and is banned in parts of the country.

So sad for the country that gave us Mad Max to not allow "toy" sci-fi guns.

I believe Tony (Spellbinder) also had a shipment of pulse rifle parts confiscated
and destroyed a few years ago.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:13 am 
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SSgt Burton wrote:
Here in Canada if a device fires a projectile (the exception being airsoft), it is NOT a replica.

If it is the same in Australia then one of their criteria (of what is a replica) is that the device must NOT be able to fire a projectile or be converted to fire a projectile.


Well I just read a reply on the RPF- looks like I got this wrong. They said that (paraphrazing)- If it fires a projectile, you can't import it.

Which is the opposite of our (Canadian) replica firearm laws.

I don't know what to believe anymore. :?


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:13 pm 
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Whats funny is that all the seizing and destroying and their strict fire-arm laws isn't making Aussie any safer from violent crime.

*sigh* Governments...

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:19 pm 
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FWIW I sold a pair of fully painted Grammaton cleric pistols that looked F***-Off real. He said he filed some sort of paperwork with his local authority and recieved the props without a problem. The nature of the forms filed I'm unclear on but I was just happy he recieved them.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:41 pm 
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On the other side of the coin, I shipped a replica Webley WG to Australia. The person I shipped it to was a... for lack of a better term, "toy store" that had the proper clearances to import replicas. He'd apparently been importing Master Replicas blasters and such, which (memory failing, so I may be incorrect on this one) fell under the replica ban.

As I recall it, in order to import you need the necessary clearances through the government to do such a thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Australia and the HCG Pulse Rifle
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:59 pm 

Country: New Zealand
see my first post in this thread:

http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/faq/regFireArmsWpnsQusts.htm

"For import of all non firing replica weapons an Importation of weapons police confirmation - B709A, B or D – Import Permit is required by Australian Customs."

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 Post subject: Re: Australia and the HCG Pulse Rifle
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:29 am 
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Come on guys it's scary!!!!! Who cares if it's an inanimate object who's only possibly violent use would be to crack somebody over the head with it! It's scary! :( Somebody could try and rob a convenience store with it!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:01 am 
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Hi Tom

Got the rifle today.
Awesome!!! Score 11+ out of 10.
Extremely pleased with it.
No hassles with Aussie customs and police clearance.

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That is wonderful news! Just to be sure, did you order from a local dealer or online direct? Wondering because of the rumor of 30+ pulseys being seized by Australian customs.
Glad you got it and glad you are happy with it. I know that I am very pleased with mine. :) - Tom


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I ordered online direct dealt with Mark and Colin.
A store here has two, but they want too much $$ for them.
Online was heaps more economical especially with the high Aussie dollar at the moment,
I was under the $1,000 threshold to avoid customs duty tax as well...bonus.

I was told from reliable sources, a store (popcultcha.com.au) in Melbourne, interstate had 30 pulse rifles on order, but they decided to cancel their order earlier this year , since customs told them they would not be allowed..... but who knows the full story and facts on that is... maybe they wanted to avoid the required police permit procedure, but they are in a different State... (Melbourne, VICTORIA), so police administration/laws on these replicas may vary as well. Customs laws however, are the same from State to State as they are uniform Federal laws.

The 30 or so pulse rifles being seized, I don't know about, never heard about this apart from seeing the "rumour" on the RPF forum. But depends what seized means anyway. Customs seize items here all the time, for holding, inspection, testing etc. etc. Some that are totally prohibited, dangerous, illegal are sent back or destroyed, but pulse rifles are replicas and usually are seized for inspection, held sometimes pending permit submission as they are controlled import items, not fully prohibited.

If someone tried to import 30 or so of these, they usually have to go through a customs broker or agent first to prepare the importation forms...a slightly different procedure than just importing one or two at a time.
If someone deliberately imports many of these guns and in a concealed format, hidden in a container with coffee beans (hee hee), then that will upset customs officials, hence a likely permanent siezure etc.... fines, prosecution. Well... it will always remain a rumour, until we hear firm evidence otherwise.
Anyway...these pulse rifles are quite easy to pass through customs.... not so easy if they used real gun parts.
I've already stuch a metal serial plate on mine.
Very happy chappy...... now to hunt down some Xenomorphs.

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Hey Tony,
That's awesome news. I would like to pass along some of your info here to help clarify the "Australia Incident". But that is only, if it is okay with you. The most important thing is that you received as an individual collector and ordered online as opposed to relying on a local broker. The news of the order cancelation, as you mentioned, may have been misinterpreted incorrectly thus causing a small panic.

In any event, I am glad that you received it and are happy with your purchase. Saving a little extra cash doing so is a nice bonus too.

BTW, did you ever get in touch with Matt about ordering a sling?

Thanks,
Tom


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Hi Tom
Pass on my email info is fine.
I sent Matt an email last night, again expressing my interest in a PR sling.
Have not heard from him, but can wait long time...not urgent.
Tony

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 Post subject: Re: Australia and the HCG Pulse Rifle
PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:34 am 
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SSgt Burton wrote:
Here in Canada if a device fires a projectile (the exception being airsoft), it is NOT a replica

"5.1 Section 84(3) CC Weapons", airguns which discharge a projectile with a muzzle velocity of less than 152.4 metres per second ( approximately 500 feet per second )

So... airsoft is not the only exception, BB Guns are also legal. However airsoft and some moden BB guns (Like the replica Beretta CX4 I just bought) are in a gray zone... being both airguns and replicas at the same time.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:44 pm 
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I think you misread what I wrote Dom- What I said was that a banned replica cannot fire a projectile, however airsoft is the exception to this rule (they fire projectiles but are still banned from importation).

BB airguns fire projectiles at velocities that are close to being considered firearms so they are not classified as replicas. They are treated as firearms, but do not require all the licensing and storage/transportation regulations that actual firearms do.

Like I said, convoluted at best.


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 Post subject: Re: Australia and the HCG Pulse Rifle
PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:11 am 

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Russ is correct, I did have a shipment of SPAS cages seized and I was fined and lost them quite a few years back now.

The temptation was there to order a HGC PR through a local collectible shop, but in the end I didn't have the finances and honestly I do have enough parts to build a decent PR should I ever move off my backside and actually do it...:)

I hope that people are getting their PR's through, but people also have to realise that as well as the Federal import laws, you also have to deal with the state laws that have their own restrictions on replica weapon ownership. My own state, South Australia recently came down really hard on all replica weapons, including the old L&S plastic model and the diecast revolvers you used to get.

I guess I am just getting too old to battle with the authorities over this stuff and will be satisfied with what I do have....:D

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 Post subject: Re: Australia and the HCG Pulse Rifle
PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:45 am 

Country: Australia
Hi all, I've wanted a Pulse Rifle replica since I first saw Aliens when was a kid and I was ecstatic when HCG released on which I could finally afford.

Unfortunately, I found this thread while googling why my HCG Pulse Rifle was seized by customs.

I ordered my HCG PR last year and finished up the 6 payment plan in December, it arrived at local customs on the 18th and I received a letter in the mail today saying it was seized and will be destroyed within 30 days if I don't apply to have it released. I checked with HCG before I placed the order if they had sent the rifle to Australia before and I was assured that they had sent similar items without problems and now I see that some people have successfully received the rifle in Aus.

The letter mentions all sorts of scary words like prosecution and fines, but gives me the option to apply for release upon which customs will begin legal procedures which will cost me upwards of $400, even if I win! I'm not sure where to go from here, I have form B709 (Importation of firearms and replicas) ready to go to NSW Police but according to the customs letter even if I get that permission they will still "prosecute" me and I will incur the legal fees.

Can anyone who has successfully imported the Pulse Rifle give me any advice, please?


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