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USMC camo. from WWII is the fore runner of Duck Hunter commercial print which was used by the CIDG and US Advisors early in VN conflict (around '62 or earlier). The Marine pattern as seen in gi.rene's photo is aka. "Frog-Skin", whereas "Frog & Leaf" refers to ERDL pattern developed in time for mid-VN conflict issue. The nick name supposedly was given by members of US Army L.R.R.P. (Lurps) who may have been issued the ERDL with priority. USCM camo. was a sub set of the "Frog & Leaf" in that it did not include the entire ERDL repeat but only a part (roughly 1/4 of the original ERDL print). The neat part is that someone quite clever made the sub set also repeat. By "repeat" I mean that the camouflage pattern repeats itself every so many inches. In USCM camo. the repeat occurs roughly every 36 inches, whereas the ERDL repeat might be substantially more lengthy (don't know exactly). I think I also saw evidence that the ERDL pattern is printed in a sideways direction to the USCM camo and vice versa, which is really mind tripping (for camo. print nerds like me). Hope that helps. Back on-topic.

Author:	assimilate [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:47 pm ]
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just watching the latest episode of the pacific and nmoticed how close the usmc pacific camo looks to the uscm camo in aliens tempting now to buy a set of ww2 marine bdu's and modify them

Author:	springer69 [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:51 pm ]
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New repros of the WW2 U.S.M.C bdus will set you back $220 or therebouts. Why throw that amount of (hypothetical) money at something when surely the MAA ones arent that much more and wont need 'modifying'?

Author:	Tarim-rex [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:13 pm ]
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actually they are not that close WWII Marine

Author:	assimilate [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:18 pm ]
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i seen some cheap repros about and know a few people

Author:	assimilate [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:07 pm ]
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also yeah they are bit greener than thought damn my colourblindness but still with some fading etc they could look good

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Author:	gi-rene [ Mon May 03, 2010 8:00 am ]
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If its something you are still considering At the Front is usually my best stuff for best price dealer in reenacting: http://www.atthefront.com/us/uniforms/usmccamouflageuniforms.html Btw they are reversible with green on one side brown on the other and there are large screened WW2 EGAs on the jacket on both sides as well as snap buttons and one open top patch pocket on both sides. Looks kinda like this brown side out:

Author:	hunterkiller86 [ Mon May 03, 2010 3:27 pm ]
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if i remember reading correctly, i think the USCM pattern is loosely based off the 1940 USMC frog and leaf pattern.

Author:	SSgt Burton [ Mon May 03, 2010 8:20 pm ]
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hunterkiller86 wrote: if i remember reading correctly, i think the USCM pattern is loosely based off the 1940 USMC frog and leaf pattern. Don't let Steve (MAA) hear you say that. From what I understand the USCM custom pattern was (loosely) based on the 1970s ERDL camo pattern: There are "some" similarities. But honestly nothing looks quite like USCM camo. Kevin

Author:	hunterkiller86 [ Tue May 04, 2010 6:07 am ]
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SSgt Burton wrote: hunterkiller86 wrote: if i remember reading correctly, i think the USCM pattern is loosely based off the 1940 USMC frog and leaf pattern. Don't let Steve (MAA) hear you say that. im sure Harry will chime in soon enough and enlighten us to the answer. knowing me, i probably read it off wikipedia

Author:	men-at-arms [ Tue May 04, 2010 9:35 am ]
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USMC camo. from WWII is the fore runner of Duck Hunter commercial print which was used by the CIDG and US Advisors early in VN conflict (around '62 or earlier). The Marine pattern as seen in gi.rene's photo is aka. "Frog-Skin", whereas "Frog & Leaf" refers to ERDL pattern developed in time for mid-VN conflict issue. The nick name supposedly was given by members of US Army L.R.R.P. (Lurps) who may have been issued the ERDL with priority. USCM camo. was a sub set of the "Frog & Leaf" in that it did not include the entire ERDL repeat but only a part (roughly 1/4 of the original ERDL print). The neat part is that someone quite clever made the sub set also repeat. By "repeat" I mean that the camouflage pattern repeats itself every so many inches. In USCM camo. the repeat occurs roughly every 36 inches, whereas the ERDL repeat might be substantially more lengthy (don't know exactly). I think I also saw evidence that the ERDL pattern is printed in a sideways direction to the USCM camo and vice versa, which is really mind tripping (for camo. print nerds like me). Hope that helps. Back on-topic. More Geek Talk: If you look at USMC WWII "Frog-Skin" -- the pattern does reminds of smaller tree leafs. But it also look somewhat like animal patterns, e.g. certain cat species like leopards for instance. If you look at ERDL "Frog & Leaf" there are shapes that do not appear in the former. These shapes reminds more of twigs and branches (the dark colored ones), as well as other shapes one might expect looking at foilage and inter-woven shadowing in the jungle.

Author:	gi-rene [ Tue May 04, 2010 7:24 pm ]
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Heh heh I'm the WW2 nerd and even I learned something. Thanks Steve!

Author:	Jonsey The Cat [ Mon May 17, 2010 10:16 pm ]
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men-at-arms wrote: USMC camo. from WWII is the fore runner of Duck Hunter commercial print which was used by the CIDG and US Advisors early in VN conflict (around '62 or earlier). The Marine pattern as seen in gi.rene's photo is aka. "Frog-Skin", whereas "Frog & Leaf" refers to ERDL pattern developed in time for mid-VN conflict issue. The nick name supposedly was given by members of US Army L.R.R.P. (Lurps) who may have been issued the ERDL with priority. USCM camo. was a sub set of the "Frog & Leaf" in that it did not include the entire ERDL repeat but only a part (roughly 1/4 of the original ERDL print). The neat part is that someone quite clever made the sub set also repeat. By "repeat" I mean that the camouflage pattern repeats itself every so many inches. In USCM camo. the repeat occurs roughly every 36 inches, whereas the ERDL repeat might be substantially more lengthy (don't know exactly). I think I also saw evidence that the ERDL pattern is printed in a sideways direction to the USCM camo and vice versa, which is really mind tripping (for camo. print nerds like me). Hope that helps. Back on-topic. About my conclusion too. I even checked it with the experimental RDF pattern. Although its clearly that its part of a ERDL type of pattern there are modifications (widening) in some details. I think it has been slightly modified in the process to make it repeatable. A darn clever thing but it looks wonderful. I also got the impression that the pattern are printed vertical instead of ERDL horizontal. BTW do any have a pic of the Normandy landing experimental cammo the Rangers used? Supposedly it was so effective they were mistaken to be SS troops and shot at by FF, hence abandoning it after a few days? I have only read about it but never seen it. // Jonsey

Author:	Winch [ Mon May 17, 2010 10:59 pm ]
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Jonsey The Cat wrote: BTW do any have a pic of the Normandy landing experimental cammo the Rangers used? Supposedly it was so effective they were mistaken to be SS troops and shot at by FF, hence abandoning it after a few days? I have only read about it but never seen it. // Jonsey My understanding is that the camo to which you refer was simply the USMC camo, which is similar-ish to the Waffen SS Peadot camo, and not an experimental pattern. It was issued to certain units of the 2nd Armoured Division for example the 41st Armoured Infantry Regiment as featured in the Dragon Models 1/35th scale Kit and 1/6th Scale Action Figures pictured below. It was however rapidly withdrawn following several Blue on Blue incidents.

Author:	gi-rene [ Tue May 18, 2010 10:58 am ]
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Actually the rangers weren't issued the camo for what most of us can find. It was the 41st Armored Infantry Recon Battalion of the 2nd Armored division during the Cobra Breakouts primarily. The Army camo jackets are essentially Marine camo with all the Army HBT uniform bonuses (i.e. button pockets rather than open patch pockets). Good writeup and lots of photos here: http://www.atthefront.com/us/uniforms/a ... forms.html

Author:	xMOEx [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:38 pm ]
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Here's a scan from the Colonial Marines Technical Manual: Attachment: USCM green camo.jpg [ 432.78 KiB \| Viewed 10422 times ] Something look familiar?

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Author:	Jonsey The Cat [ Tue May 18, 2010 11:19 pm ]
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Ahh thats it!! Thanks guys, so it was a Armored Recon Bn. I have always wondered. /J

Author:	gi-rene [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:31 pm ]
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Similar but the Tech manual uniform looks a bit more "spaced out" in the pattern. And of course all the modern conveniences (cargo pockets and the like). Though this became the popular "Duck Hunter" camo later on. Also can't discount the Mosquito net helmet cover which was rare I believe in WW2 but featured a different pattern which became a little more common for the Marines in Korea.