More Potential Restrictions in the UK - Deactivated Firearms May Be Banned

Deactivated Firearms & UK Restrictions Update

Ain't no way my PR's getting crushed up ...
 

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Just saw this and read the press release from the Home Secetary.




Pledge to outlaw ‘deactivated’ guns

Press Assoc. - Saturday, January 5 09:40 pm

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has promised to outlaw “deactivated” guns, which can easily be reconverted into active firearms for use in crime.

And she said she was looking into changes which would allow witnesses of crime to enjoy protection from an earlier stage - possibly from the moment they first contact police.

Ms Smith’s comments come in the wake of a spate of suspected gang-related crimes over the New Year, including the fatal stabbing of a teenager in Erith, Kent, early on Saturday.

She told the Sunday Telegraph that ministers and police need to do more to show they are on the side of “the majority in communities who know this is wrong and who want to work themselves to make a difference”.

Deactivated guns, which have been modified so that they no longer fire bullets, are not currently illegal and can be bought without a firearms certificate.

Restrictions introduced in 1995 made it more difficult for them to be reactivated, but the Association of Chief Police Officers estimate that some 120,000 weapons from before that date remain in circulation.

They can be restored to use within minutes and some have been implicated in crimes including the murder of TV presenter Jill Dando.

Some 96% of all sub-machine guns recovered by the police had been reactivated, according to a parliamentary report in 2000. Ms Smith said: “I will find a way effectively to ban those guns and get them out of circulation.”

She also signalled plans to extend the scope of the Witness Protection Scheme to protect people as soon as they report a crime to the police. Intimidation of witnesses is regularly a problem in gang-related prosecutions.

Ms Smith said: “People need to know very early on when they go to police with information that they are going to be protected. So I’m working with the Ministry of Justice and the Attorney General to see if we can bring forward that assurance much earlier.”




I fooking give up!

How much is a plane ticket outta here???

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Ooops, just read the update!

So whilst the new proposals are draconian, they are not completely restricting.

Still I guess they won't be happy till they ban absolutely everything.

I wonder in anything will be 'legal' in a few years time.

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It doesn't really matter - it's mission creep - and they'll ban them all eventually...

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Apparently the Home Secretary is unavailable for comment at this time:





Chris

how is banning deactivated firearms going to prevent a stabbing, as was referenced in the above? Maybe they need to work on the root causes of crime, not the peripherals.
gomi_

This is truely pathetic.

As said stabbings on the increase & they are bothered about toy & deactivated guns.

Yea I guess some are used to intimidate others in crimes,though what with the amount of Illegal actual firearms,they are truely barking up the wrong tree on these "crusades" the Goverment keeps going on.

So harsh language will be the ONLY weapon of UKCM in 2010?

Jason

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Is there anything they won't try to keep the idiot public happy!?!
And let's be realistic, it's only the idiot public that they do keep happy... those with half a brain can see that none of these bans will have any effect on criminal intent.

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It's nice that they're basing decisions on reports from 8 years ago.



Russ

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Can anybody honestly say they didn't see this coming?

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*buys tickets to (anywhere but here)*

Has there ever been a single case of a deactivated gun being "reactivated" and used in a crime? I mean it's not like you can just throw a new freaking part in and it works. You'd have to be a machinist and you don't need a damn deactivated gun to make one then. You can easily make a "zip" gun. This is pretty freaking idiotic and pathetic. It's sorta like how when new full auto/machine guns were banned from being registered in the US. The only time a registered machine gun has ever been used in a crime in the US was when a police officer used a MAC10 to murder somebody. Go figure. It won't stop freaking crime. These types of politicians people have a different agenda. They want to make people helpless, pussified, and dependent on the government.

I think the deact to react issue comes about from these so call documentries where journolists go "undercover" with criminal gangs/other wanna be hard men.

I hate these programmes with a passion & even though I don`t watch them,you cannot help but hear about them from others :/

Then you have them bragging on camera how they can get this or that weapon as a deact & have them reactivated.

So with the mentality of most who watch these sort of programmes & of course the media scare tactics employed here,that`s why.

Fraz,
Your right mate,it was on the cards

Jason

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Addendum - they aren't trying to ban all de-acts. Just those that are to the 1988 original "old" spec.

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Don't buy the ones headed for Canada or Australia- we're just as strict (moreso even).

Honestly will this truly affect bringing PRs to conventions for you Brits?

We have had these laws in place for ten years- and we can still bring PRs to local conventions. The Stargate people bring MP5s and P90s!

Just as long as the replicas are not brandished in view of the general public outside the confines of the convention, it's considered accecptable (just stay out of the food court ).

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?!

Not to completely derail the thread, but I always wondered if this was true.

In 1999 Tony Martin, a 55-year-old Norfolk farmer living alone in a shabby farmhouse, awakened to the sound of breaking glass as two burglars, both with long criminal records, burst into his home. He had been robbed six times before, and his village, like 70 percent of rural English communities, had no police presence. He sneaked downstairs with a shotgun and shot at the intruders. Martin received life in prison for killing one burglar, 10 years for wounding the second, and a year for having an unregistered shotgun. The wounded burglar, having served 18 months of a three-year sentence, is now free and has been granted 5,000 pounds of legal assistance to sue Martin.

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Yes, the world has gone mad!

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"The other Gareth"

See... over here if they break in our houses we GET to shoot them in the face.

Course we only have guns because of you guys so...

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It's less the fact he killed one of the burglars as left him wounded at the bottom of his garden to bleed to death, crying for medical assistance, for several hours, with a gun he should never have owned.

I disagree with the life sentance. I agree he should have gone to prison.

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There is more to that story...... the farmer was not asleep he was waiting up with shotgun hoping that someone would break in...also he he made no repairs to his farm so his house was a bit of a wreack...and when he shot those kids... they were running away and were out of the house, and if memory severs me the farmer had already fired warning shots.....

As to the proposed ban on deactivated weapons im suprised it was included in the VCR bill....

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IMO, everyone should have the right to blow away an intruder. Punto finale.

And I bet the two iggits he shot never robbed, beat or stole from anybody again.

Well, one of them didn't. We'll see about the other one.

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"The other Gareth"

I hate to say it, but I do find the trend of "trespassing = death penalty" supporters here disturbing...

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Better ways of doing it

Banks contain money and are robbed - close all banks
Shops have registers full of money - close all shops
People rob others for the stuff they have - don't have stuff.

Hell, live in a box and don't come out.

Guns don't kill people...people kill people.
Removing these from legitimate users won't stop the problem.
Criminals will still get guns....they'll just *GASP* have to break the law to do it.

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