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 Post subject: Re: USCM EGA?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:33 am 
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As i say, I can understand your pride in your uniform and you concerns... But maybe don't be a dick about it and you'll get a better response from people.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:02 am 
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They are being posers and dicks by doing this. Common sense should be if it wasn't in the movie, you don't do it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:24 pm 
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•ONEYE• wrote:
WDI wrote:
I don't think he's concerned about being "501st level" screen-accurate; I think he doesn't like people wearing uniforms which have no precedent from the film and look too much like people dressing up in his uniform.

I can understand that....


Exactly. I'm not crying to my mama. I'm coming to the source, you chuckle heads, that take my dress uniform (specifically Dress Blues) and cuntify it.



First warning; Check your language and your attitude.
Any more grief like that and you're banned.

For the record, we have a number of serving and ex-Military in the various Colonial Marines costume groups worldwide, including members of the USMC.
They are absolutely fine with the idea of USCM Dress Blues, and the various interpretations of the idea that have appeared over the years - providing anyone who has put together such a uniform has taken care not to use the real EGA and other such insignia.

If you don't like it, don't wear it.
If you don't like seeing it, either refrain from commenting, or politely explain your concerns. Make suggestions, not demands... But bear in mind that this is a costuming group, seeking to emulate the film universe's uniforms, and expand upon those concepts in line with the movie's visual style.

Do not insult and attack other members of this forum over it, certainly not using the language you've done so here.


Chain of command on this forum starts with the Forum Rules which you accepted when you signed up. Moderators are here to enforce those rules.
So as I said - Please check how you interact with other forum users, or you will no longer be a forum user.
Thank you.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:37 pm 

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I can't really add more here, other than I also served in the US Marines, and if anyone who didn't serve wanted to wear the EGA, I would have quite loud personal issues about it.

The USMC EGA is earned, not bought; there is even a specific ceremony at USMC Boot Camp for the Drill Instructors to give them to recruits. That lends a highly personal aspect to the EGA for US Marines.

On to Dress Blues: I don't remember seeing dress blues for the USCM anywhere in the movies. I can't say I've seen them in any of the books, but I haven't read everything, so I don't know. I do know that if you wanted to do that, I would rather it be a version that was radically different from the USMC Dress Blue A/B uniform. I'd rather if everyone wanted it, we could submit original ideas instead of attempting to modify the Dress Blue jacket, as that distresses both myself and other Marines both inside and outside the Legacy.

No one wants a distressed Marine.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:28 pm 
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On to Dress Blues: I don't remember seeing dress blues for the USCM anywhere in the movies... I'd rather if everyone wanted it, we could submit original ideas instead of attempting to modify the Dress Blue jacket, as that distresses both myself and other Marines both inside and outside the Legacy.


ONEYE has dug up an issue that is 12 years old.

When Kev floated the Dress Blues idea back in 2007 there was much discussion over design and the development of the concept, and many members of the forum gave their input. Although it was one man's costume you could say that it was a combined design. The idea was very openly "expanded universe" (i.e. created in the spirit of the genre rather than as something seen on film) and Kev was very concerned not to cause offence - hence the open discussion.
There were those back then who made their concerns known. ONEYE was one of them... and fair enough.

In fact, within two posts Kev had taken that feedback and decided that he would not pursue the idea specifically because he didn't want to cause offence.
ONEYE followed up to say that he didn't see any reason why someone couldn't design a fictional dress blues uniform - "an original design with a nod towards the real uniform."

From there the project continued, design by committee (in a manner much as you've said you would like to see).
Evidently ONEYE didn't like the result that was achieved.
I'm not sure that the uniform has even been worn since back then.


I'm not at all sure what ONEYE was aiming to achieve by digging up a 12 year old issue - which he originally green-lit - and which may not even be an issue anymore. :?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:50 pm 
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scapey warned you and now i am warning you. If you continue to resurrect these old threads just to troll and attack members, you WILL face a disciplinary hearing. do not continue your attack on members.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:02 am 
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Good bye posers. I didn't green light shit. I happened to see that maggot wearing the dress blues, sucking in his gut, and trying to look hard. Pathetic. You shouldn't any part of a real USMC uniform. You douche bags are worthy, and it looks and is wrong. I see any of you wearing it, YOU'RE warned, have some back up clothing near by, you'll need it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:29 am 
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•ONEYE• wrote:
Good bye posers. I didn't green light shit. I happened to see that maggot wearing the dress blues, sucking in his gut, and trying to look hard. Pathetic. You shouldn't any part of a real USMC uniform. You douche bags are worthy, and it looks and is wrong. I see any of you wearing it, YOU'RE warned, have some back up clothing near by, you'll need it.


And with that threat of violence, you are GONE.
No need for that shit, from anyone, ever - Military or not.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:33 am 
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•ONEYE• wrote:
I didn't green light shit.


Short memory, eh?
Maybe I can help with that...

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•ONEYE• wrote:
sucking in his gut, and trying to look hard. Pathetic.

I can see only person around here trying to look hard... :roll:

•ONEYE• wrote:
Good bye posers

See ya then... I don't think we'll be missing you.
Military service earns a certain professional respect. Being a complete dick earns you zero personal respect in spite of your service.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:18 pm 
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A well earned ban for the time being. Thanks for taking care Scapey/mods.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:26 pm 
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I do agree that the EGA shouldn't be used on a USCM uniform (and we have agreed here on the board not to use it). I think it's been made clear on this board how we as a group feel about people who fraudulently pretend to be actual vets. You don't have to be a dick about it.

I'm a disabled veteran myself (US Army 1988-2000) and like most grown men with emotional maturity I am capable of recognizing the difference between wearing a COSTUME at a convention and fraudulently impersonating a veteran.

Sometimes I'll see a kid (I'm 50) wearing a military-style uniform from Metal Gear or COD; when I do, I'll complement them if it's accurate or offer constructive criticism if it needs to be improved. If they are using real insignia I might suggest they remove it, depending on the context and circumstances.

When I do encounter someone who is genuinely trying to impersonate a veteran, I will definitely say something, but this doesn't happen much at conventions.

Sometimes I'll see active duty military personnel at conventions (either attending or sometimes staying in the hotel for other reasons). They always think my stuff is pretty neat - even the USCM alphas. One of my favorite experiences was meeting some guys who were on the way to Afghanistan when I was wearing my MW2 Ghost costume. They wanted to buy some of my tac gear to take with them!

When in USCM gear I sometimes get comments like, "Thank you for yer service". My response is to say, "Thank you, while I am a veteran this is actually a costume from the movie 'Aliens.'" People usually understand that.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:12 am 
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What

just

happened?


For the record- my putting together a dress blues uniform for the colonial marines can be summed up as "it seemed like a good idea at the time."

ELEVEN YEARS AGO.


ELEVEN YEARS AGO.


(one more time for those in the back)


ELEVEN YEARS AGO.


I'm not going to rehash all that. Suffice to say- it was worn by me for a total of "two" times during the D-Con weekend of 2008.

Two Thousand and Eight.


It has sat in my closet since. I have had no desire to put it on since that weekend ELEVEN YEARS AGO and never will again.

So no worries then right?



And just to say it- I "do" understand where this level of defensiveness and (for lack of a better term) "protectiveness" is coming from.

And I also believe Dress Blues "should" be off limits (admittedly however, it took me a few years to truly understand this).



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:06 pm 
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Kev just face it.

You're clearly a very bad person and everyone hates you.


SSgt Burton wrote:
What

just

happened?


For the record- my putting together a dress blues uniform for the colonial marines can be summed up as "it seemed like a good idea at the time."

ELEVEN YEARS AGO.


ELEVEN YEARS AGO.


(one more time for those in the back)


ELEVEN YEARS AGO.


I'm not going to rehash all that. Suffice to say- it was worn by me for a total of "two" times during the D-Con weekend of 2008.

Two Thousand and Eight.


It has sat in my closet since. I have had no desire to put it on since that weekend ELEVEN YEARS AGO and never will again.

So no worries then right?



And just to say it- I "do" understand where this level of defensiveness and (for lack of a better term) "protectiveness" is coming from.

And I also believe Dress Blues "should" be off limits (admittedly however, it took me a few years to truly understand this).



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:54 pm 
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I spent many years in the british army in and outland,just like many others, and i have also worked alongside the USMC in diferent Situations,and i can say these guys are verry proud of there uniform,which they should be after all they have earned the right to ware it just like us in the british army.

If i was at a convention and i saw someone wearing any sort of british army PARA insignia on a Kostum,i probably would speak to them,but in a polite manner.

I would never get angry or be aggresive towards anybody who has les knowlege of the military but you can always point them in the right Direktion.

There is much Sackrifice and pain involved in earning
the wright to wear a military uniform,but never the les we should still be Patient with the less knowlegiable.

All i will say if it's not earned please dont wear it.

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