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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:49 am 
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Got myself a Nerf Vulcan! :P


So I picked this up on Sunday for $39 bucks.

Size of the box was pretty impressive- bigger than a Longshot:

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Here's my dart gun VP for scale.


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The contents of the box.


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And here it is. It's actually pretty chunky, and... stubby.


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I didn't have my PR handy so I put my L85 beside it for scale.


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And here is the tripod assembly. It hangs completely loose on the tripod with the exception of a clicking noise when you turn the gun left and right.

Now I must say that this thing is a little on the small side for a Sentry Gun impression. On the tripod (held horizontal) it only stands 14 inches off the floor. :roll: :(

But I had something else in mind. :wink: :twisted:

So at first I thought I would make this another Nerf SAW type weapon... But there were some problems with this idea:

First off the whole gun is soooo chunky that it doesn't really resemble a SAW.


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The gun has no stock with the back ending with the pistol grip. I would have had to scratch make a stock that would go around the pistol grip itself.

And the relatively shallow angle of the grip itself makes it awkward to fire from the shoulder.

So whatever I decided to make this into it would have to be a weapon fired from the hip.

What to do... What to do... :wink:

I then started having a look at the breech (which opens like a belt-fed machine gun):

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Check out the feed mechanism. :wink:


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Well shut my mouth! Lookie what just happens to fit perfectly in there!! :twisted:


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I could even close the breech with the M40 still in there no problem!


So after that I decided this would be the USCM's auto grenade launcher- the M279! 8)

The PR has a grenade launcher, but only has a four round capacity and is single shot only. The M279 would run off a belt of 25 M40 rounds, and has either single or full auto capacity! This would be along the lines of the modern Mk-19 auto grenade launcher:

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And yes- the M279 designation is a tip of the hat to the old Vietnam era M79 Blooper. :)


Check out the Nerf dart belt it comes with:

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Rather than getting a bunch of M40s I figured I would just paint the belt like some M40s- silver with red tips. That way I could still have fun with the auto feed action using the proper belt the gun came with. :wink: 8)

And yes- I did power it up and check out the full auto action.

It was cool...

Until the gun jammed. Then it sucked. :roll: :( :lol:

It jams pretty frequently. This is definitely not a toy for ADD kids (or adults for that matter :wink: :lol: ).


So stay tuned for my M279 project updates! 8)


Hmmm...

If I really like how this turns out I might retire my PIG. :wink:

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Nice one Kevin!

I look forward to progress reports. :)

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very cool idea kev, my son has one of these and they are extremely cool , looking forward to you r finished product

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The vulcan is a lot of fun, if prone to jamming and ammunition problems. Back a little before D*Con, a friend of mine had a blast bouncing darts off my armor all night.

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wow! I just got one on Sunday myself! I could not get batteries into that bad boy fast enough!

I love your idea Kevin. The grenade launcher of certain doom!

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Man, Nerf turns out some really nice pieces. Keep us updated on your progress!


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:09 am 
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Teensy update-

I spent last night and today sanding the Nerf logos off the launcher. Fortunately this wasn't much work at all (compared to the Longshot); there was only one small Nerf logo on the breech cover. I also removed the VULCAN EBF-25 crap from the barrel heat shields.

Unfortunately the ammo box is a different story. :roll:

It has a huge Nerf logo and two N-Strike logos front and back. The Nerf one isn't a big deal as it is raised and will just take some elbow grease to remove. However the N-Strike ones are in relief- so I will have to fill them and then sand them smooth.

I've pretty much decided on the paint scheme- there will be a minimal amount of OD green on the gun- just on the heat shields and the forward grip below the barrel. I would have gone with Brown Bess but 1) I don't own an airbrush and won't anytime soon and 2) there isn't a decent alternative to Brown Bess in a spraycan in Canada. :roll: :(

The rest of the launcher will be a combination of ultra flat black and gunmetal.

The charging bolt is kicking my butt a bit. I considered a T shaped handle (which you would grab vertically), however I've settled on a horizontal grip.

Pics to come. :wink:

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The charging bolt is kicking my butt a bit
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:50 am 
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Cocking handle?


Qui. :wink:


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Maybe just plate over the ammo box logos with sheet styrene?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:28 pm 
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I like that idea! :)

I did something like that for my PIG battery- Ii would provide a bit of continuity maybe?

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Kev, if you'd like a suitable brown bess replacement from the U.S., I can help you out.

Wait, does Canada allow spray cans to be shipped in through your mail system?

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I'd have to double check- but I believe it is considered dangerous (or hazardous) goods.

I just checked- it would fall under Dangerous Goods because of the compressed gas in the aerosol can and the fact that paint itself can be a flammable solvent.

I wouldn't chance it Bob- it's cool. I already painted the heat shield last night anyway. :wink:

Get this... Battery operated toys with the batteries still installed are considered dangerous goods by Canada Post as well. :shock:

The list is here for anyone interested:

http://www.canadapost.ca/textonly/tools ... mail-e.asp

Anyway like I said I painted the heat shield last night. I also painted half the gun flat black. I painted the forward grip OD green- but I might change that...

The forward grip reminds me of the GL SPAS grip- which looks satin black. I might go ahead an repaint the grip satin black as if it was some kind of high density plastic. I'm going to paint the pistol grip satin black anyway so there will be some continuity there at least.

I'll see if I can take a pic later. :wink:

EDIT- Well I promised a pic so here it is.

But it ain't much to look at right now. :wink: :lol:

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The forward grip has been removed for painting. The heat shields are covered with masking tape. Pretty much everything that isn't flat black in the pic will be gunmetal eventually.

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A truly brilliant idea, SSgt! But then, sometimes the best ideas are the simplest ones. I can just imagine you seeing that in the store and thinking 'Huh, cool toy gun' and then a second later 'WAITAMINUTE, that would make a great USCM auto grenade launcher!!!' I look forward to seeing the finished project.

For a totally unsolicited suggestion, I would say that realisim dictates some kind of stock. But, no big deal. If you are thinking about adding one, Nerf (I think it is) makes a toy crossbow. (Yellow, about $15.00) The stock on it looks somewhat futuristic and might look good on your M279.

<<<What is up with your pic over there?<<< Breaking out the '80's pictures? :lol:

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Oh and one more thing,

Since you are the brains behind this new weapon, you are now tasked with thinking up some nomenclature for it! (Range, rate of fire, weight, misfire procedures, aiming, assembly/disassembly, variations, grunt comments about it, etc)

Bring it, SSgt!

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HUMVEE Driver wrote:
Breaking out the '80's pictures?


90s. :wink:

Thanks for the insight Dave! Unfortunately a stock at the moment is a wee bit too much work than I'm willing to do. Although I could have a looksee for an old school AKS style stock- or even an MP40, but it would have to be something that can be attached on either side of the pistol grip rather than behind it.


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Oh and one more thing,

Since you are the brains behind this new weapon, you are now tasked with thinking up some nomenclature for it! (Range, rate of fire, weight, misfire procedures, aiming, assembly/disassembly, variations, grunt comments about it, etc)

Bring it, SSgt!



You betcha! I smell a field manual in the making! :twisted:

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I say leave a stock off of it. It looks super-mean as a slung rapid-fire grenade launcher.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:03 am 
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Well the majority of the paint work is done!

So here she is!!!



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First my apologies for how grainy the pictures are; I was taking them without a flash so the colours, and matt/shiny portions would show as close to how it looks in reality as possible. :oops: :wink:

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The shrouds are Testors OD. The ammo box is Krylon OD. The gun is two tone flat black and platinum (Duplicolour car paint).

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I made the muzzle gray instead of black- this was meant to be along the lines of pics I saw of the Mk 47 grenade launcher:


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However I still think the gray is too dark- I haven't permanently attached it yet so I might repaint it a lighter gray.


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These next pics are to show the satin black grips- this was meant to be like different materials used on the gun such as high impact plastic:

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So that's it for pics for now. I still have to weather it and give it some graffitti (don't we all just love graffitti? :wink: ).


So now that that's out of the way... :wink:

Here's some data and nomenclature! 8)

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M279 Auto Grenade Launcher

Caliber: 30x63mm M-series grenades (various)
Type: Electrically operated, air cooled, belt fed, automatic grenade launcher
Overall length: 774mm
Weight:11.6kg
Effective range: up to 700m (point target); 1200m maximum range, 30m minimum safe distance
Rate of fire: 180 rounds per minute

The M279 began development in the late 2170s by the US Army out of experience from the Helene 219 campaign. During that conflict US forces used multi shot grenade launchers integrated with the M-41A pulse rifle. However the M-41A’s grenade launcher was single action and limited to only four rounds per reload; the ability to provide continuous medium range area suppression with a variety of armour piercing to high explosive ammunition led to the production of a fully automatic grenade launcher.

The first XM279 trials began as auxiliary roof mounted weapons for the M577 armoured personnel carrier. Eventually the design was reduced to a weight and configuration that could be carried by ground troops. Official field service began in 2180. Originally developed by ARMAT, the manufacturing contract has been granted to MatsuCorp Defence Products. By the year 2182, 25,000 M279 grenade launchers were in service with all branches of the US armed forces.

The M279 is an air-cooled, electrically powered, fully automatic grenade launcher. It fires from an open bolt, with an electrically driven feed mechanism (further details are classified). The weapon accepts linked ammunition from a left side mounted detachable box magazine. The first "round" on every ammunition belt is a dummy round specifically for the weapon’s feed system. All standard ammunition for the M-41A 30mm grenade launcher are interchangeable with the M279. The weapon can be fired single action with its cocking lever, or full auto by activating the autoloader system switch located directly above the rear grip. The M279 is equipped with a standard forward flip up sight, however the weapon is capable of mounting additional sighting equipment (such as night vision, and range-finding electronic sights). The weapon package also includes a detachable tripod.

As the M279 is a stand alone weapon the operator (grenadier) will require an additional personal defence weapon such as the standard VP70 pistol. It should be noted that the M279 has always been intended as a supplementary support weapon and not a replacement of the M-41A’s current underbarrel 30mm grenade launcher. Distribution is at least one M279 issued per infantry squad.

Reception of the M279 has been moderate at best.


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I love my M279! I make my own belts. Not those standard 25 round M40s or M38s. Nah I start my belts with a couple of M72s (star flares), then an M61A (CS gas), and then a bit of this and a bit of that; like a few M40s (high explosive) and M51s (bounding fragmentation). If anything’s still moving after that I always have three M60 (phosphorous) rounds on the end of my belt. I call it my bowl of Cajun mixed nuts!

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It’s a piece of junk! The Army Brass loves coming up with reasons for all the money they’re spending. So they threw this thing together before the end of fiscal term. Gotta show for something right? Now the damn thing’s been dumped in the Corps’ lap. I’ve never seen it feed a complete belt of ammo without jamming! I’d rather throw the M40s myself!

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So I ask Mr. Tech Guy to go through the 8 steps again. Only this time I’m right beside him screaming in his ear, “GET THAT THING WORKING! JESUS CHRIST THAT TANK’S RIGHT ON US!! OH MY GOD THEY’RE GONNA F--KING KILL US ALL!!”, and pounding my fist on the desk as hard as I can.

He couldn’t get past step two. I sat back down with a big o’l grin on my face.

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Very pleased so far with how this has turned out!

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Great job Kevin! A perfect example of expanded universe done correctly!

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oh wow! that came out amazing. nicely done good sir


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Kevin, you are the frakking MAN. That looks awesome and the expanded-universe info is brilliant! :shock:

I just cackled out loud to see that Cpl. Alcott is retired. That's just damn funny, man.

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Very cool Kev! HAHA loved the lil past stories cajun mixed nuts..

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