I believe the person who repainted that particular PR is a member of the forum. I’m sure he’ll step in if he feels the need.

I have nothing useful to add to this thread, other than that I'm really enjoying it! This must be how an archiologist feels when he thinks he's right about a theory but is about to dig up evidence to find out for sure.

Added to that the fact that people here seem to be discussing this very constructively makes this a joy to read and be excited about! Oh dear, I am SUCH a geek!...

By the way, stupid question, but does anyone know who the original prop painters were and if they could possibly be contacted and asked?

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Kevin is right.
There's also a third item that could help - the flamethrower. I saw it London and I'd say it's color was neither OD nor BB but something in between. Definitely not as brownish as your (Mark's) PR is now. I think there were some images of your PR around shortly before it got it's overhaul. Anyone has them at hand?

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I feel the same way. I started the thread because I was having a hard time deciding which color to paint my PR. I didn't expect it to turn into a hunt for the definitive truth regarding PR shroud color.

Keep the info comin guys.

or to put it another way...b******s screen accurate so long as it looks right....

paint it what ever colour you want, so long as your happy with it..

Can we agree that the flamers, smartgun headsets, racal headsets, motion trackers, shoulder lamps and helmet cams are all the same colour as a pulse rifle?

All the above would have been made and painted by the prop department not the armourers (and there are enough pieces that survived the production to confirm their colour). Maybe Bapty painted the shrouds green and when they got on set they were repainted to match everything else - which explains the green paint underneath.

I also have a question about the picture of Simon Atherton holding the PR from the behind the scenes doco. If that PR is supposed to be OD green - what colour is the piece of DS interior set behind him supposed to be; lime green??? If you watch that entire section of the doco I think it's pretty conclusive that the PR is brown (unless the wooden bench all the props are sitting on is green as well).

Stirring the pot...






The Sentry Gun battery- from a Prop Store of London sale.

Draw your own conclusions.

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That's a very interesting picture!!!!!!

Cheers,
Stefan

I would think that Harry or Willie would be the ones to ask about this.

BB has been accepted as the production used paint going back to when this forum was part of Dan's site, but I don't know where the information originally came from.

I do recall a post that stated that the paint was bought in vats directly from Humbrol.

I'm little confused as to whether Hollywood Collectibles is suggesting that all the marine equipment may have been OD or just the PR's.

If you accept that all the marine stuff is the same colour, then you pretty much accept tha the armorers recollections are not really relevant.

Master Replicas certainly went to a lot of trouble ensuring their Motion Trackers are BB. From a collectible POV, I would have said that was a good point for making a replica PR in BB, but then I don't have any doubts about the BB legend.

I've also seen the SU flamethrower, and it is brown. I imagine someone sprayed a semi-gloss clear-coat over it at some point.

I made that mistake on my BB painted shouds once, and the finish was very simililar to the SU flamer.

Fantastic thread & very interesting read.

I don`t have any proofs to offer eitherway either.

One thing (Yea I know it detracts from Screen Used) though,The Military (most Western Nations) use various companies to make their kit inc weapons.Some companies sub contract too &/or are an extension of the parent company/designers of weapons/kit.

With this it`s highly likely you could have a mix of coloured PRs being issued & also as been said an actual mix of OD & BB together for a unique colour (as suggested already in the thread).

Lastly don`t forget the grunts themselves could alter the colour,just look at some of the colours the M16/M4 have been in.

As said I know it detracts from the origins of this thread,sorry for that.

Jason

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Humbrol did supply the Studios like Elstree and Pinewood with buckets of paint. Years ago I spoke to the Marketing Director at Humbrol and had this confirmed.

Any way interesting thread, I'm a fan of BB myself.

Hi Guys,

These are official pic taken when filming.

As you can see the lamp is black.

The Flamer looks probably very dark green? Maybe.

The Motion Tracker is probably dark brown. Don't know if that is BB brown though. The buttons are definately brown.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Mark

I see three props painted Bess Brown :lol

I don't think photographic evidence is really going to to prove much, due to the already mentioned peculiar photographic properties of BB under different lighting.

Another problem with the stuff is that even two props painted with it can end up looking different depending on how it is thinned and applied.

It is quite nasty stuff to work with, and has probably ruined a few marine's air brushes in its time

If you look closely, you'll see that only the arm and the handle of the lamp are black - the body is indeed BB.

Cheers,
Stefan

Yup, and prop dept. weathering can alter the colours appearance too.

Jury still out I reckon.

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If you browse the archives, Harry seems to have pretty definitive information on all the Humbrol paint codes used in the movie. Someone PM the expert!

 
I agree - you can't go by photos alone.
 

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the production photo of a flame unit here is clearly brown:

http://www.harryharris.com/ft.htm

so's this PR:

When you paint a replica or model spaceship based from your fav. movie, you NEVER, NEVER go by what you see on the movie screen,as the way it is light makes a big difference .....

look at star wars or star trek....the ships in those films look one colour but when you see the model it looks totaly different, plus the prop../ ship is painted by one department , then sometimes dirtied done by someone else......

so best to examing the real thing rather than go by pictures....even then props can and are re-painted..

But i would go with what Harry or willie say as they seem to know just about everything there is on our Fav. film....

Brown shroud, OD mag?

If you paint a prop by just pictures or what we see in the movie.......what colour would you paint the armour?....take a look a nicks pictures of his re-painted. armour...good job painted exactly as in the movie....but once dirted down it looks totaly different,

I think the there will still be some that think the pulse rifle is painted OD and not BB.....

Ages ago someone who claimed to have worked at ICONS said on the RPF that they had been provided a production PR to duplicate, which had been painted black for A3. They took apart the shroud and found OD overspray inside, and so that's the color they went with for their replica.

This would support the recollections of the Bapty people, while still not contradicting the (reasonable, IMO) theory that the production repainted them after delivery.

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I think we should just mix them both together

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or paint one side brown bess and the other side olive drab...

Compare the picture of the sentry gun battery (with the green bottom and brown top) with the frame grab I posted a couple of pages back of the sentry gun in it's carry case ( you can see the battery on the right hand side). That's pretty definitive proof that it was painted green _after_ filming. If that green matches the colour the sentry gun is now - then the sentry gun was painted green after filming; QED.

Doesn't matter how much you wish it was green - they were brown in the film. If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak.