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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:21 pm 
For the record, I think it's more a case of "cars are more useful than guns" to 99.99% of people...


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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 10:16 am 
Yea & we know cars kill more in the UK than guns too.
Yet the law doesn`t prosecute to the fullest against drivers who kill.

As said in the UK guns are seen as something the disturbed only like.That civilised,intelligent folk would`nt see anything of interest with them.
Then you let these said folk have a shoot with a gun & how quick their attitude changes.

The average folk & MPs in the UK are always fearfull of things they perceive as a threat or as odd.

Personally people who pay hundreds to watch football matches has always struck me as very odd (moreso if they have a loosing team,they still spend),yet they claim it`s the Nation`s sport.

Jason
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:06 am 
Speaking as a professional propmaker/modeller/armourer (non-Sec 5), airsofter and re-enactor.

When this legislation was introduced there was a mass panic among film/tv/theatre, airsoft and historical re-enactment hobbies, museums and private collectors.

No exemptions were made, for the above at all.

(Shades of Canada's Bill C68 - which initially sort to impose a fine of $100 payable to the Canadian Govt. for each replica gun made for film/tv)

In fact there was quite a panic.

I myself wrote to the Home Office last year (March 2006)

Dear Sir/Madam,

I work as a prop and model maker/armourer/special FX technician by trade, primarily in the UK film and TV industry, although I have also produced items for collectors and historical re-enactment, which I also take part in.

I fabricate and make use of realistic replica guns both non practical (that is a non working replicas -that can be contructed from wide range of materials including: plastic, cast metal, glassfibre, resin or rubber) and practical (airsoft replicas and purpose built blankfiring replicas which confrom to current Home Office regulations.)

As you are no doubt aware, Clause 30 of the Violent Crime Reduction Bill seeks to ban the importation, manufacture and sale of realistic imitation firearms.

However, as I (and other collegues I have spoken to) understand it, and confirmed in a Press Association report of Tuesday October 25, 2005.

politics.guardian.co.uk/c...57,00.html

'Baroness Scotland of Asthal pledged. Government amendments would protect such "specific interests". They would allow a person to manufacture, modify, sell or import realistic imitation firearms "for the purposes of museums or galleries, for TV, film or theatrical production or for historical re-enactments" and would exempt de-activated firearms and certain antiques from the definition of a "realistic imitation firearm".'

Will propmakers/non-section 5 armourers such as myself, have to register with the Police, and will there be some form of register/licensing system akin to the FAC to permit lawful purchase/importation of replica arms and components for use in film/theatre/tv and historical re-enactment.

Will any replicas I purchase or fabricate have to be solely 'hired' to clients and then remain in my inventory, and will they be subject to registration?

This is an issue of concern for not only myself but also collegues and clients.

If you can clarify the situation it would be most helpful, and I will in turn pass this information on to work collegues.


I recieved a reply from Firearms Section, SC1. that said I would be unaffected by such legislation, however the underlying message is applicable for all involved:

Dear Mr Topping,

Thank you for your message of 15 March about the Violent Crime Reduction Bill. I have been asked to reply.

Clause 34 of the Bill states that it will be a defence against a charge of importing, manufacturing or selling a realistic imitation firearm to show that the firearm was intended solely for use in film, television or theatrical productions or for historical re-enactment or display in a museum. Thus, in order to bring charges against you, the police would have to be in a position to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that you were making the guns for a purpose other than one of those stated in clause 34.


That is to say, even if the police decided to follow up charges against you, you would still have your day in court (as long as we still have trial by jury in the UK ) to prove that you were not acting in a criminal manner or had criminal intent.

The only way costumers/cosplay/prop makers and collectors will be granted exemption is if there is a combined effort by ALL in the hobby to indicate to the Govt, that we represent an established hobby and such we must demand exemption rights.

A legitimate figurehead such as Harry, with his considerable media exposure, would be an ideal figurehead, if he would entertain such an idea (H?)

This issue must be addressed now, if you wish to enjoy your hobby.

It is up to you to remind them that they work for YOU; something they seem to have forgotten as of late.

However...

Take into account that this Govt will move the goal posts/ change the rules when it suits them.

Regards - Armourer


Shotgun Golf will soon take America by storm.

I see it as the first truly violent leisure sport.

Millions will crave it.

Welcome to the future of America.

Welcome to Shotgun Golf.

Hunter S. Thompson


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:23 pm 
So that look like the way to go, we get together with all the other groups and have one voice.. then we might have a better chance, can we not be called a movie re-enactment group...


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:54 pm 
"Movie Costumed Group" or "Movie Living History"

Thing with this path though is having this One voice & then you have to consider a Governing Body to cover all of the movie inspired groups under One umbrella.
With New Rules & Regs.

To band together Movie/TV character dressed people,will need to have a New charter drafted & then maybe in this One body the sub-groups of Star Wars,Star Trek,Aliens,Manga,SG-1,BSG,Even an Airsoft section,etc.

Though then again how`s it going to work where Politics rear`s it`s ugly head? Alas that would be one thing to truely watch for in banding various groups together.

We know we need s New Body to govern/Lead/Admin ALL Costumed groups If we`re to have One Voice. I`d like to believe it WILL be straightforward but alas humans are strange creatures :/

Jason
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:25 pm 
If it helps for you UK guys, I recently had an interview, complete with large box of guns, at a police station in Leicester with one of the Firearms and Explosives officers there. Eagle knows of this conversation on the RPB, so I'll copy what I found over here. I might add that for my purposes I did concentrate on film making and using weapons for that. However other details came to light during the interview that I saw as encouraging for 'collectors' also.
Oh and Malika, I'll be there for the slaughter in November!!


First bit.....


Mr. Elverson,

I have been passed your enquiry regarding the use of weapon props for your amateur film production group. It seems to me that the forthcoming implementation on 1 Oct 07 of Sections 36 - 41 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 provides exemptions for the activity you are involved in. Section 37 provides a defence to the manufacture, modification, sale and import of realistic imitation firearms where their use is for, amongst other things, theatrical performances or rehearsals, the production of films and the production of TV programmes.



However, I will arrange for one of my Firearm Enquiry Officers to visit you and look at the props you possess and the processes you use for their manufacture.



Regards,



Martin Mawby

Firearms and Explosives Licensing Manager

Leicestershire Constabulary



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This is copied from the post I made on the UKFF....

Okay so here we go, and I didnt get banged up or my collar felt!!
In the end I had to go to Wigston Police Station as the Officer in question had vehicle problems, so as a consequence I trolled into the foyer of said building with a large box full of weapons! Apparently the two ladies on the front desk had been told to look out for a man with lots of guns! Bloody hell!!!

Anyhow, sat down and basically 'walked' through the relevant sections of the Act with the Officer with the following results..

Possession of replica weapons/E-11's etc- possesion of said items is not an offense. This would also cover private collections. See later notes.

Manufacture AND Selling of replica weapons of any kind- you'll be pulled up for this without suitable defense for doing so.

Basically for what we do, ie making films, the manufacture of weapons by an individual for the purpose of using said article in the making of films/theatrical performance or TV programme is permitted as you have good reason (defense) to do so.
If you still sell said article, you can be pulled up, however if its for a similar purpose (see above) and you can prove this then you have suitable defense (reason) for selling.

Example: shop cannot sell BB gun to the public (more specifically under 18's due to the act) so is stuck with stock of said 'toy' weaponry. However, TKPRED walks into the shop and says I want those guns for my next blockbuster. Shop then has defense to sell as its for one of the purposes stated earlier. Likewise the shop can then contact a manufacturer and buy more if it is selling them for the same purpose.

To expand on the manufacture subject, this is from Section 37 subsection 1
It shall be a defense for a person charged with an offense under section 36 in respect of any conduct to show that the conduct was for the purpose only of making the imitation firearm in question available for one or more of the purposes specified in subsection 2.
(2) those purpose are-
a/ the purposes of a museum or gallery
b/ the purposes of theatrical performances and rehearsals for such performances
c/ the production of films
d/ the production of television programmes


One would assume that a/ covers us, as the officer stated to me, it was clear to him that this stipulation in his eyes would.

Likewise I would say that a 'troop' or event of costumed characters would constitute a theatrical performance, hence you have defense to have possesion of replica weaponry either at a show site or public place.

However, this aspect is not without it hazards.
You MUST be sensible when bearing any kind of weapon, whatever it is, in public or where the public can see you. If you wave a DE 50 cal around in Sainsburys then expect to be visitated by the Armed Response Team.
Take ALL reasonable, practical, sensible precautions. For any event, contact you local Control room on the appropriate telephone number for your region (its all the 2's in Leicester), well before hand to let them know of your event and you intentions, and what you will be wearing, the weapons you will have and any other relevant information. If theres a problem they will let you know and you can then work toward a resolution.
Basically you must conduct yourself correctly. Adhere to any rules that might be set out for your protection and that of the public. What the Law says goes!!

As for private collections, like I said, possesion is not an offense. Its what you do with your guns that causes the trouble. Be a complete knobhead and expect trouble. Be sensible and work with those who are there for the greater good and protection of all and you wont go far wrong.

So, to summarise, us film makers have good reason, or defense, to possess (not an offense) the weapons we have.
Collectors are not subject to offense as collecting is not an offense.

I mght add also that sci fi weapons dont even really come into it. 'Ray guns' as the officer so quaintly put it are not a problem, but all the same still be sensible, especially with accurate E-11's for example.

Thats about all I can give you so far. If you have any questions I'll try and answer them from the info I was given.

Neil

Thats what I found. Make of it what you will, though as I said for my purposes re: film making I have a 'defense' to own/make weapons. Provided you are a sensible owner and take ALL reasonable precautions there shouldnt be a problem re: events. Obviously the German guys cant bring their gear in. But guys, I have a couple of shotguns I can loan you if it comes to it!!!

Finally I know I dont post on here much, okay if at all since the first NSC bug hunt, but I keep my ear to the ground and if what I find can help someone then so be it!

Cheers!
Neil TKPRED:twisted:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:58 pm 
Diplomatic Immunity

Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK
Service Number: A09/TQ2.0.13371E1
Fresh off the presses: The details of the airsoft defence.

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The Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (Realistic Imitation Firearms) Regulations 2007
Made - - - - 2007
Laid before Parliament 2007
Coming into force - - 2007
The Secretary of State makes the following Regulations in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 36, 37 and 38 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006(1).
Citation, commencement and extent
1.— These Regulations may be cited as the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (Realistic Imitation Firearms) Regulations 2007 and shall come into force on 2007.
(1)These Regulations extend to Great Britain.
Interpretation
2. In these regulations—
the “2006 Act” means the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006;
“permitted event” means a commercial event at which firearms or realistic imitation firearms (or both) are offered for sale or displayed;
“insurance” means a contract of insurance or other arrangement made for the purpose of indemnifying the person or persons who hold it; and
“permitted activities” means the acting out of military or law enforcement scenarios for the purposes of recreation.
Defences to an offence under section 36 of the 2006 Act
3.— It shall be a defence in proceedings for an offence under section 36 of the 2006 Act for the person charged with the offence to show that his conduct was for the purpose only of making the imitation firearm in question available for one or more of the purposes specified in paragraph (2).
(1)Those purposes are—
(a)the organisation and holding of permitted activities for which public liability insurance is held in relation to liabilities to third parties arising from or in connection with the organisation and holding of those activities;
(b)the purposes of display at a permitted event.
4.— The persons described for the purposes of section 37(2)(e) of the 2006 Act are those mentioned in paragraph (2).
(1)The persons mentioned in this paragraph are—
(a)a person or persons holding public liability insurance in relation to liabilities to third parties arising from or in connection with the organisation and holding of historical re-enactments;
(b)two or more persons, at least one of whom holds such public liability insurance.
Imitation firearms which are to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm
5.— For the purposes of section 38(3)(B) of the 2006 Act, the size of an imitation firearm is to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm only if the imitation firearm has dimensions that are less than the dimensions specified in paragraph (2).
(1)The dimensions specified in this paragraph are a height of 38 millimetres and a length of 70 millimetres.
6.— For the purposes of section 38(3)(B) of the 2006 Act, a colour is to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm only if it is a colour specified in paragraph (2).
(1)The colours specified in this paragraph are—
(a)bright red;
(b)bright orange;
©bright yellow;
(d)bright green;
(e)bright pink; and
(f)bright purple.




Home Office Name
Date Minister of State



EXPLANATORY NOTE
(This note is not part of the Regulations)
These Regulations make provision in connection with the imitation firearms provisions of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (sections 36 to 41).
Regulation 3 provides for defences to the offences of the manufacture, import and sale of realistic imitation firearms in section 36. These defences will operate where a person who is charged with such an offence can show that his conduct was for the purpose only of making the imitation firearm in question available for one or more of the purposes specified in regulation 3(2).
Regulation 4 describes persons who organise and hold historical re-enactments for the purpose of the defence to an offence under section 36 as set out in section 37(2)(e).
Regulations 5 and 6 make provision in connection with the definition of “realistic imitation firearm” in section 38. These regulations specify the size and colour which are to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm.


And the statement put out by the Association of British Airsofters:

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The Violent Crime Reduction Act - a united approach.
This document is an explanation of the effect that the above Act will have on the airsoft skirmishing community within the UK from the 1st of October 2007. Its author is not a lawyer and makes no claim to a complete and irrefutable understanding of the law. If you have any concerns regarding legal issues, you should seek advice from a qualified practitioner.

The Government has granted airsoft skirmishers a Specific Defence under Sect 36 of the Act, and the following explains how the UK airsoft industry aims to deal with the new restrictions. Please read this document carefully as the new offences are criminal and not civil and the penalties for contravening the Act are severe.
Any reference to 'clubs' within this document should be taken to mean a properly constituted body that exists to facilitate airsoft skirmishing between its members. It does not include social, shooting or other clubs. The specific defence has been granted for airsoft skirmishing and not for any form of target shooting.

The schemes and procedures outlined in this document are the result of close cooperation between a number of bodies and individuals. Those responsible believe that they represent a workable solution to the Act, however time and experience will inevitably lead to changes and improvements.

We would urge that those concerned, especially airsoft sites within the UK, should take steps to prepare to the coming of the VCRA as a matter of urgency. Although this process has been on going for some two years or more, the Home Office has only just released the draft of the defence. Whilst there are likely to be some further changes to the wording of the defence before October, the intention contained therein is clear enough to allow us to now start preparing for the changes to come. More time would have been nice, but we work with what we have.

The Headlines
From the 1st of October 2007 it will be illegal to sell, manufacture or import realistic imitation firearms within the UK.
Furthermore, selling an imitation firearm to, or the purchase of an imitation firearm by, anyone under the age of 18 years is illegal under Section 40 of the Act. Contravening this is a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment, a fine or both. In blunt terms it will not be legal to sell imitation firearms (of which realistic imitation firearms should be seen as a sub-set) to anyone under 18.
A realistic imitation firearm is defined thus in the Act:
38 Meaning of “realistic imitation firearm”
(1) In sections 36 and 37 “realistic imitation firearm” means an imitation firearm which—
(a) has an appearance that is so realistic as to make it indistinguishable, for all practical purposes, from a real firearm; and
(B) is neither a de-activated firearm nor itself an antique.
(2) For the purposes of this section, an imitation firearm is not (except by virtue of subsection (3)(B)) to be regarded as distinguishable from a real firearm for any practical purpose if it could be so distinguished only—
(a) by an expert;
(B) on a close examination; or
© as a result of an attempt to load or to fire it.
(3) In determining for the purposes of this section whether an imitation firearm is distinguishable from a real firearm—
(a) the matters that must be taken into account include any differences between the size, shape and principal colour of the imitation firearm and the size, shape and colour in which the real firearm is manufactured; and
(B) the imitation is to be regarded as distinguishable if its size, shape or principal colour is unrealistic for a real firearm.

The Statutory instrument entitled “arms and ammunition” which includes the Defence says the following about ‘unrealistic imitation firearms’

Imitation firearms which are to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm
— For the purposes of section 38(3)(B) of the 2006 Act, the size of an imitation firearm is to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm only if the imitation firearm has dimensions that are less than the dimensions specified in paragraph (2).
The dimensions specified in this paragraph are a height of 38 millimetres and a length of 70 millimetres.
— For the purposes of section 38(3)(B) of the 2006 Act, a colour is to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm only if it is a colour specified in paragraph (2).
The colours specified in this paragraph are—
bright red;
bright orange;
bright yellow;
bright green;
bright pink; and
bright purple.

This should be read in conjunction with Section 38 of the Act and is included for reference. It would be legal to sell an airsoft gun conforming to these specifications to a person over the age of 18 regardless of whether or not they were a registered skirmisher.
What is affected by the VCRA and why was it enacted?
The main aim of Sections 36 - 40 of the Act is to reduce the availability of imitation firearms within the UK. The ABA, UKARA & UKASGB have successfully argued for a specific defence for airsoft skirmishing. This defence is for skirmishers only - it is not applicable to target shooters, collectors or to those with a passing attraction to realistic imitation firearms. Therefore the main restriction is on the sale of realistic imitation firearms. You may legally keep any you own prior to the Act coming into force. The Act has no effect on skirmishing, nor has it any impact upon an individuals' ability to purchase accessories, spares, replacement parts etc. It is the sale of complete guns that is affected. It is likely that a court would view the assembling of component parts to produce a realistic imitation firearm as ‘manufacture’. It may well take the same view if a brightly coloured imitation firearm was painted to make it look more realistic.
The Specific Defence
The defence granted by the Home Secretary allows for the continuing purchase of airsoft guns by those participating in, holding or organising airsoft skirmishes.

It is understood that in order to abide by the defence, the airsoft community within the UK will become self-regulating. It is therefore of the ultimate importance that everyone involved takes their responsibilities seriously. Failure to do so could, in the worst case, see the defence being revoked.
There will inevitably be cases where the Act will either be contravened or ignored. Should any of us be aware of such instances, it is in our own interest to ensure that such acts are brought to the attention of the relevant bodies or authorities and that law-abiding airsofters distance themselves from those involved. Remember - any breaches of the Act are not a simple 'trading standards' issue, they are a criminal act.
Sites.
Sites are at the heart of the scheme, as only through membership of a legitimate airsoft site can an individual demonstrate their entitlement to the specific defence granted to airsoft skirmishers.
The Government has determined that a 'legitimate' site is one that holds third-party insurance. This is important, because only members of a site or club with valid third party insurance can claim to be "airsoft skirmishers" for the purposes of the defence.

It is therefore vital that sites ensure that they have up-to-date third-party liability insurance before the 1st of October if they wish to register their members.
It is expected that in order to differentiate the casually interested from the committed airsoft skirmisher, that sites will maintain a minimum standard with regards to new players. UKARA will require that any site applying to register under the scheme should ensure that a new entrant into airsoft should play a minimum of three times in a period of not less that two months before being offered membership of a site. This is important, as the main objective of the VCRA is to reduce the supply of imitation firearms within the UK, and the defence granted is aimed at assisting only legitimate skirmishers. We must there be, and be seen to be, serious about our pastime and not willing to grant membership on a whim.

We would suggest that sites when granting membership in relation to the VCRA follow a standard form. They should record and obtain the following information.

Name
Address
Date of Birth
A Passport photo
A copy of the players Passport/ Driving Licence
A copy of a utility bill.

Site membership cards should ideally contain a Passport sized photo.


General information or advice regarding sites can be sought from UKASGB (United Kingdom Airsoft Sites Governing Body).

Membership Cards

A universal form of membership card was discussed with the Home Office and there is much to recommend it. Given the timescales we now find ourselves working to, it has proved impractical to implement such a system in time for the Act coming fully into force. This does not prevent continuing work being done to achieve this, and the Government will no doubt be sympathetic to the difficulties involved in introducing large-scale ID card schemes… Some sites are considering or implementing commercially available card schemes and these may well become more widespread over time. Ultimately it is a decision for individual sites to decide whether or not they wish to pursue this at present.
Retailers
Any retailer who wishes to sell airsoft guns will be legally obliged to demonstrate that they have taken reasonably practicable steps to ensure that the purchaser is entitled to one of the exemptions or defences under the Act. UKARA (United Kingdom Airsoft Retailers Association) members have agreed to abide by a code of conduct, and have set up a national scheme that will ensure that they meet this test. Any retailer wishing to apply for membership should contact UKARA via their website. As an organisation, UKARA is dedicated to providing specialist airsoft equipment to skirmishers and not all retailers will be deemed suitable applicants for membership. Please see "Non UKARA Members" below should you fall into this category. Regardless of membership, anyone being granted access to the database for the purposes of trading in realistic imitation firearms will be contractually obliged to abide by the Code of Conduct.

UKARA Database
UKARA have developed and funded a database to facilitate the continuing distance selling of airsoft guns. While not the only way to meet the restrictions of the Act, we believe this is the most efficient way to tackle it. No player can register directly with UKARA, as the players 'legitimacy' comes from site membership and nowhere else.
The UKARA scheme is to an extent paper-based. We are aware of the potential criticism this may occasion, but we were keenly aware that not all sites would have the means or the desire to implement a fully digital membership system by the 1st of October 2007. By designing the system as it is, a degree of flexibility is retained to allow maximum participation by the airsoft community.
How will it work?
Sites wishing have their players registered on the database must first register themselves with UKARA. They can download the necessary form from the UKARA website, or obtain it from a UKARA retailer. This should be completed & returned to any UKARA retailer with a copy of their insurance certificate. In order to establish a sites' bona fides UKARA reserves the right to request additional information. The site will then be added to the sites register and this will allow members of that site to then be added to the database.
UKARA will issue a stamp to each registered site that they will use to stamp the players' form (see below). This, along with an agreed signatory, will ensure that only valid players are entered onto the database.
For airsoft clubs, which exist to allow only their members to play, further information may be required, for instance a copy of their Constitution and proof that they have permission to hold skirmishes on the land they use.
Sites or clubs who have registered to participate in this scheme will have their site name & contact details displayed on the UKARA website. Players will therefore be able to establish which sites are participating in the scheme.
Participation in this scheme is not mandatory, and not registering does not prevent a site from hosting perfectly legal airsoft skirmishes, however sites may deem registration advantageous as it will enable their members to more easily prove their entitlement to the specific defence when purchasing airsoft guns.
How sites run a membership scheme is up to them, but if they wish to participate in the UKARA database scheme, they will need to use membership numbers which are in the format XXX12345 - three alpha characters followed by five numeric characters. The exact site-specific format should be agreed at time of registration.
Players who hold site membership.
Players wishing to have their details entered on the database should obtain a form from either the UKARA website or from their local UKARA retailer. This should be taken to the site at which they are a member where it will be filled in, signed & stamped. It should then be returned to any UKARA retailer who will enter their details onto the database. Thereafter, any UKARA retailer who receives an order for an airsoft gun from that player will be able to cross-check the database to establish that the individual is entitled to purchase RIFs.
Player’s detail will remain on the UKARA database for a period of 365 days after first entry. If no query is registered against a player on the database by the end of that period, they will be automatically removed from the database. This is to ensure that we are not accused of allowing "lifetime" access to RIFs - the defence is for skirmishing - if you no longer skirmish you are no longer permitted to buy.
UKARA will levy no charges for any of the foregoing, however sites may charge for membership as they are going to incur additional overheads and responsibilities. That is a matter for them.
Distance Selling

In some respects, this is the very reason for a national database. Without this, establishing that a potential customer is entitled to purchase could prove to be a long and tortuous process.

When a registered player attempts to purchase an airsoft gun, he or she will be asked for their site membership number. Using this, along with the other information routinely provided (Name, address etc) the retailer will be able to quickly and efficiently check the database to confirm that the individual is indeed entitled to purchase under the terms of the defence. In order to reduce fraudulent orders, it may be necessary to only send airsoft guns to the address specified in the player’s membership details. For this reason, players should ensure that any changes in address details are notified to their site and through them to UKARA as quickly as possible.

Under 18s

While we are sympathetic to the plight of younger players, there is no easy way around the restrictions contained in Section 40 of the Act. It was originally hoped that under-18s could nominate a parent or adult who could buy on their behalf, however unless that person is themselves a registered skirmisher, such a scheme would be unworkable and illegal. Furthermore grave concerns must be entertained about the legality of transferring an imitation firearm to a minor. The Act would not appear to prevent hiring or lending imitation firearms, but we would urge the greatest caution in this area.

Data Protection.

All data will be held in accordance with the Data Protection Act. The player data requested will be the absolute minimum necessary to allow a retailer to ensure they are dealing with a member of a legitimate skirmish site.
Your data will never be used for any purpose other than to confirm your right to avail yourself of the specific defence for airsoft skirmishers. Only the designers of the database have complete access to it, and their actions are contractually defined. UKARA members can only enter sites & players & request individual searches against that data. Each search is logged & given a unique reference number.
Non-UKARA members.

We cannot and will not create a closed shop within the UK; therefore non-UKARA members with a legitimate reason for accessing the database will be able to do so. They will have to approach UKARA and demonstrate good reason. They will be permitted access which will allow only player searches, they will be contractually bound to adhere to the same code of conduct as UKARA members and a reasonable fee will be levied for this access, probably on an annual basis.
Second Hand sales.
We appreciate the importance of these to the community. Any seller will be obliged to ensure that the purchaser is entitled to the Defence before selling. Remember the offence created in the Act is the sale, manufacture or importing of a realistic imitation firearm. The precise mechanisms whereby second hand sales are to be facilitated are still under discussion. For instance, UKARA might make available to all major UK forums a log on which will allow them to perform the necessary check for their members. It may be possible to allow players registered on the UKARA database a limited number of queries to enable person to person sales. Regardless of the 'how' all participants will be required to excercise a responsible attitude and abide by any rules set in place. Individual UKARA retailers are free to offer such a check as a service to their customers and it is up to them whether or not they charge for this.
Sales By Sites

Sales of airsoft guns by airsoft sites will be legal providing that the seller can demonstrate that the purchaser is entitled to avail themselves of the specific defence. Clearly if the sale is to a player registered at that site, that is a straightforward process, sales to visiting players may require more care. We would not necessarily suggest however that all sites that sell airsoft guns should apply to join UKARA as this may not be an appropriate or cost-effective option.

Personal imports

This is an area that any scheme will struggle to address due to the complex nature of the relationships involved.
UKARA will carefully consider any approach from any courier company that wishes to offer a "clearing" service to its customer to facilitate personal importation of RIFs. This will be offered on a commercial basis. We may make available the ability to check players’ details via the database to Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (HMRC). It is unlikely however that HMRC will check individual imports and no purchaser should count on this. HMRC are extremely busy and have higher priorities. You should therefore be aware that any airsoft gun imported after 1st October might be subject to seizure & destruction.

Importation of Realistic Imitations by way of business

HMRC have expressed no particular concerns regarding the importation of realistic imitation firearms by businesses who can demonstrate that they are doing so specifically to supply those entitled to avail themselves of the specific defence – or to put it in slightly more lay terms, airsoft equipment retailers selling to skirmishers. The HMRC firearms team appear to be well versed in the details of the VCRA and a senior member of the team involved in formulating policy has been directly involved in the discussions regarding the defence.
Overseas retailers.

Retailers based outside the United Kingdom will not be allowed access to the database. This scheme is for the benefit of the UK airsoft community. Oversees retailers have not helped UK airsofters throughout the long period of consultation & representation and furthermore we are concerned about possible security implications and abuse of the system from areas of the world where we might struggle to achieve adequate legal redress. Since such abuse could compromise and possibly threaten the defence itself, we deem the risk to outweigh any perceived benefits.

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UKARA www.ukara.org.uk

UKASGB www.ukasbg.org.uk

ABA www.associationofbritishairsoft.org


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We're in some real pretty sh*t now man... That's it man... Game over! What the f*ck are we gonna do now?

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After talking about this to Axeman yesterday, I've been thinking about getting a VP-70 again. If I understand all this correctly, I could order a resin one (with moving parts) from SidKit, and everything would be okay as long as I get it before 1st Oct. I can keep it for myself from then on, but not sell it.

Is there ever a problem with customs, getting a SidKit one posted to England? Do I need to tell the seller anything to make it pass okay? Is there a better/cheaper/closer to home VP-70 that anyone could recommend?

I better make my mind up quickly...


[edit] Well, I've just pressed the "Buy" button on the SidKit site and it says it's not available. Any other options for moving part ones?

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Search for VP70 on .com - there's two screen-accurate VPs there. One is a resin kit and the other is an MGC cap-firer (orange thumbnail) (rare and getting rarer).

The Tanio-Koba you'll find is not screen-accurate.

The MGC is legal to import into the UK until 1st Oct. I had no problem importing it from the US just a few months ago.

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We're in some real pretty sh*t now man... That's it man... Game over! What the f*ck are we gonna do now?

Hehe. Ahem. :wink:

Can you post that over at the RPF?

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Ok, no worries - I've linked to this post becuase it's too long to cut and paste into one post over there. :)

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^ You have to demonstrate that you physically attend regularly, if what I've been reading on Arnie'sAirsoft forums is correct.

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Search for VP70 on .com - there's two screen-accurate VPs there. One is a resin kit and the other is an MGC cap-firer (orange thumbnail) (rare and getting rarer).

The Tanio-Koba you'll find is not screen-accurate.

The MGC is legal to import into the UK until 1st Oct. I had no problem importing it from the US just a few months ago.

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Thanks. I had a look, but they are very expensive. The SidKit one was only about £40. The ones I saw were much more than that. I might just get a solid one.

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I imagine this will put most retailers out of busines anyway. They are making it so difficult, there will be no-where to buy from, excemption or not.


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Most of the retailers seem happy enough with it to me.

Here's the latest I've been sent, BTW...



STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS
2007 No.
ARMS AND AMMUNITION
The Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (Realistic Imitation Firearms) Regulations 2007
Made - - - - 2007
Laid before Parliament 2007
Coming into force - - 1st October 2007
The Secretary of State makes the following Regulations in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 36, 37 and 38 of and paragraphs 4, 5 and 6 of Schedule 2 to the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006( ).
Citation and commencement
1. These Regulations may be cited as the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (Realistic Imitation Firearms) Regulations 2007 and shall come into force on 1st October 2007.
Interpretation
2. In these regulations—
the “2006 Act” means the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006;
“permitted event” means a commercial event at which firearms or realistic imitation firearms (or both) are offered for sale or displayed;
“insurance” means a contract of insurance or other arrangement made for the purpose of indemnifying a person or persons named in the contract or under the arrangement;
“permitted activities” means the acting out of military or law enforcement scenarios for the purposes of recreation; and
“third parties” includes participants in, and spectators of, permitted activities and historical re-enactments (as the case may be) and members of the public.
Defences to an offence under section 36 of the 2006 Act or under paragraph 4 of Schedule 2 to that Act
3.—(1) It shall be a defence in proceedings for an offence under section 36 of the 2006 Act or under paragraph 4 of Schedule 2 to that Act for the person charged with the offence to show that his conduct was for the purpose only of making the imitation firearm in question available for one or more of the purposes specified in paragraph (2).
(2) Those purposes are—
(a) the organisation and holding of permitted activities for which public liability insurance is held in relation to liabilities to third parties arising from or in connection with the organisation and holding of those activities;
(b) the purposes of display at a permitted event.
4. For the purposes of regulation 3 a person shall be taken to have shown a matter specified in that regulation if—
(a) sufficient evidence of that matter is adduced to raise an issue with respect to it; and
(b) the contrary is not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
5.—(1) The persons described for the purposes of section 37(2)(e) of the 2006 Act and paragraph 5(2)(e) of Schedule 2 to that Act are those mentioned in paragraph (2).
(2) The persons mentioned in this paragraph are—
(a) a person or persons holding public liability insurance in relation to liabilities to third parties arising from or in connection with the organisation and holding of historical re-enactments;
(b) two or more persons, at least one of whom holds such public liability insurance.
Sizes and colours which are to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm
6.—(1) For the purposes of section 38(3)(b) of the 2006 Act and paragraph 6(3)(b) of Schedule 2 to that Act, the size of an imitation firearm is to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm only if the imitation firearm has dimensions that are less than the dimensions specified in paragraph (2).
(2) The dimensions specified in this paragraph are a height of 38 millimetres and a length of 70 millimetres.
7.—(1) For the purposes of section 38(3)(b) of the 2006 Act and paragraph 6(3)(b) of Schedule 2 to that Act, a colour is to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm only if it is a colour specified in paragraph (2) or if the imitation firearm is made of transparent material.
(2) The colours specified in this paragraph are—
(a) bright red;
(b) bright orange;
(c) bright yellow;
(d) bright green;
(e) bright pink;
(f) bright purple; and
(g) bright blue.



Home Office
Minister of State



EXPLANATORY NOTE
(This note is not part of the Regulations)
These Regulations make provision in connection with the realistic imitation firearms provisions of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (sections 36 to 38 and paragraphs 4 to 6 of Schedule 2).
Regulation 3 provides for defences to the offences of the manufacture, import and sale of realistic imitation firearms in section 36 and paragraph 4 of Schedule 2. These defences will operate where a person who is charged with such an offence can show that his conduct was for the purpose only of making the imitation firearm in question available for one or more of the purposes specified in regulation 3(2). Regulation 4 makes provision dealing with the burden of proof for these defences.
Regulation 5 describes persons who organise and hold historical re-enactments for the purpose of the defence to offences under section 36 and paragraph 4 of Schedule 2 as set out in section 37(2)(e) and paragraph 5(2)(e) of Schedule 2.
Regulations 6 and 7 make provision in connection with the definition of “realistic imitation firearm” in section 38 and paragraph 6 of Schedule 2. These regulations specify the sizes and colours which are to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm.

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Do they specify what percentage or "amount" of
the replica has to be one of the bright colors?

Import into the US requires at least 6mm (or so) of the barrel
to be a bright color, usually orange.

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If they follow suit with Canada...

The entire gun would be the colours specified.

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The colours mentioned are what distinguishes a REALISTIC imitation firearm from a simple imitation firearm.

As in - Toys etc now have to be brightly coloured or a certain percentage off-scale.
Airsoft guns? They're Realistic Imitation Firearms, and have had their sale restricted.

There are no restrictions on who can own or sell imitation firearms so far as I'm aware.

Airsofters, then, seem to be safe.
Now to see about us future-re-enactors!
( But hell, if your worst case scenario is having to skirmish three times in a month, I could think of worse ways to spend a Sunday! )

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^ A lot of site operators are on to that and some have said they may not be best pleased about 'collectors' clinging on.

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Quite - and losing at least £150 for the pleasure of being able to import seems pretty steep...


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£150?

As for collectors... Why would it bother me?
A player's a player.

If someone turns up at a game day, and doesn't actually join in play... They'll be told where to go.
But if someone does join in, WHY they choose to do so isn't really an issue.

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£20 for the site fee (x 3)
£10 for transport (x 3)
£10 for relevant supplies (x 3)
£10 on food, drink and so on in London, as that is where my nearest sites are (x 3)

£150 total for my three skirmishes in 2 months :\


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I had a chat with my local airsoft dealer today about the whole 3 visits thing. I was under the impression that these three skirmishes had to be WITHIN 2 months but in fact the rule is that you have to go skirmishing 3 times in NOT LESS than 2 months.
So you could go once a month or once every other month it doesn't matter.

As far as I can tell anyone who owns an airsoft gun already can continue to use it in exactly the same way they always have. You just cant buy any new ones unless your registered with an airsoft site (no big deal).

As for imitation firearms such as Pulse Rifles made from Resin or other materials then I believe these are still allowed at "permitted events". A Sci-fi convention being a good example of where you would expect to see people in costume with imitation firearms. This I believe falls under "having a reasonable excuse to be carrying the imitation firearm"
But again, you can't make any NEW imitation firearms from next month.

So I dont think there is anything to be too worried about, at least that is my understanding from conversations I have had.

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So, if i cast a resin PR (f'rinstance) in red resin, then sell it, I'm exempt?


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