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FX Movie channel has the cowriter on it right now. Originally it was an Aliens prequel but they hired this guy to change it to a film all its own because they wanted to attract a new audience. He even said he was super excited that they were doing a prequel to Alien, but was scared when they asked him to make it a stand alone movie.


Such a shame. The first contact between The Company and our not so friendly xeno is the story I would have loved to have seen told. I just got the giggles with Prometheus when it went all creationist... And then I got bored. Bummer.

Prometheus does make me wonder if the Company wanted the Nostromo to land to get an Urn at all costs to the crew, and got even more excited when they had aliens on their hand, or if there is another instant where Weyland or Weyland Yutani finds the xeno.

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This is a really great read (and plenty of cool new pics and videos) about some of the VFX work on Prometheus:

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Yep that just about coveres everything they did not answer or was just plain stupid. Love the deadpan. Cheers Willie

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Let me start by saying, I didn't hate the movie. It's obvious that some of the story didn't make the theatrical release, so I suspect we'll see a longer, better version in the DVD release.

That said, nothing will fix the middle. Nothing. Case in point, the biologist and the geologist...or (as we should think of them forever) the redshirt and the other redshirt. They were not hapless victims who will be mourned as real people caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, but a storytelling setup so weak that it threatened the integrity of the whole. Did I know they would die from the moment they first appeared? Yes. Sadly. I didn't want to know that those two guys would be dead by the end. I didn't want to believe that their character introductions simply screamed 'target painted on their chests', but unfortunately the writing was on the wall. It was obvious that they were doomed. A geologist that can't just simply say 'hello' back but has to be confrontational at the drop of a hat. A biologist that is openly friendly and goofy. DEAD.

Getting back to my point. Let's start by examining the way team communications should work. The team starts out in constant communication with the ship, which is the kind of protocol I would demand if I was monitoring the team from the safety of the ship. Everyone online all the time. Any loss of communication and I'd yank that team out. No questions asked. You stay in communication or you don't get to come on a mission years out into space again. Ever.

That's the very way that the expedition team started out as they explored the underground and unknown complex, and then...they split up. It was suddenly Shaggy and Scooby on their own.

What captain, team leader or just plain everyday person worth their salt splits up on a planet containing only 17 crew members facing the unknown?

Worse than this, and for reasons never explained, the biologist and the geologist got lost. The place is mapped for them in 3D...and they got lost. They geologist himself mapped the place...and they got lost. They're in uninterrupted communication with the team underground and the ship...and they got lost. The ship was monitoring all of them on camera and radio...and they got lost. They wandered down a few corridors traveling in very set directions...and they got lost. They could have called anyone at anytime and asked for directions...and they got lost. They heard the warning that they had to get back to the ship ahead of the storm...and they got lost. Did they forget how to call the ship (what with only one ship they could call)? Did the ship forget them (because 17 people are to hard to monitor)? Did the team forget them? Doesn't matter. They got lost.

Then, despite the unexplainable reasons for them getting lost, the crew on the ship decided to abandon them. They didn't leave a guy on the bridge to monitor their safety, no matter how tenuous the communication might have been. They simply wished them luck and abandoned them with no more concern than two guys who missed a connecting bus. This plotless decision, which is soundly outside the realm of good judgment, is a turning point for me in the film.

Years from Earth. One ship. Only seventeen people. An endless amount of things that can go wrong on and off the ship. Abandon two people to the dark unknown with no communication whatsoever like they're camping in the backyard.

Then, my ultimate pet peeve rears its ugly head. Extreme character contradictions for the sake of artificial tension.

The biologist and geologist were soundly against going anywhere near an unknown life form. They purposely went East to avoid the 'life form' detected to the West. And who wouldn't? Alone on an alien planet in alien ruins surrounded by alien dead ANNNND cut off from the ship both in terms of distance and by communication. I'd go East. Can I see a show of hands of anyone who'd go West without sufficient safeguards while lost underground in the dark while subsisting on canned air?

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...they got caught in the room of oozing pots and the giant head and a freakish, faceless, albino snake slithered right up to them to say 'hello'.

Suddenly, the biologist wanted nothing more than to give a large glistening, slithering, tentacle worm a hug. The hell...? Did his healthy respect for the unknown, and therefore potentially dangerous, go right out the window in a place with no windows? There are insects no larger than a freckle that can pass diseases to you and me on Earth, but this guy reached out to a tentacle in a posturing stance that just screamed dangerous. Had this 'biologist' never seen a cobra, timber snake, rattler, or any other creature I could name demonstrate predatory posturing? Never mind that it had no eyes and nothing that would have communicated 'safe to touch'. Never mind that it came right up to him, which is generally a sign of fearless disdain or hostility in an animal sense. Never mind that he had NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS! It could have been as harmless as an earthworm, but it was the size of a vacuum hose! How thin was the air in his helmet that he would suddenly switch from his 'East not West' policy? The geologist was stuck in a helmet choked with hash, but the biologist wass...what? Bipolar in his respect for the unknown? Selectively careless in the case of alien cave snakes?


As a side note, if you should ever find yourself alone in the wilderness, whether underground or in the full, bright, happy light of day and a snake comes up to you, move away. If a snake moves away from you, you're golden. If it comes up to you, MOVE AWAY. You may also hit it with a stick if you have to, but do not attempt to hand feed it or it will feed on your hand.


That scene was so B movie that it can't be fixed. There is no director's cut that will fix the tragic 'Laurel and Hardy meet the Mutant Zombie Worm' scene. It can't be fixed. It can't be explained away.

The scene would have made more sense if first, they're entrapment in the complex was explained by an accident or a brush with technology that kept them from leaving, and second, if they had fled from the snake only to be pursued and killed. It would have been more terrifying. It would have made sense. It would have been realistic.

Instead, they reduced two space faring scientists in a Ridley Scott sci-fi film to two teenage stoners in a slasher flick. Done. Dead. Can't be fixed.


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Yes that sum's it up pefectly !!!!!!

Too Many question's and no fucking answers to the one's we wanted. I think a remake of Prometheus is needed to make it watchable!!!!

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Is Prometheus he most divisive movie ever?

I think it's fucking great. :like:


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I have some fuel to add to the Promethean fire (so-to-speak), and I don't seem to have seen this be picked up on in this thread so far. Near the end of the movie we see the engineer activate the navigator's chair and the control turret or whatever that cannon-like construct is, and the engineer sits in the chair and plugs himself into it by putting on the helmet. That presents us with the classic image of the 'space-jockey' we see in Alien aboard the derelict space craft. HOWEVER, at the end of prometheus, david warns the main chick that the engineer (the only one alive and the same one who was sitting in the chair) is coming for her, and so he does by leaving the ship and going to fight her, only to be eaten by that octopus thing. So if Alien follows on from prometheus, then it goes that the engineer from prometheus is still meant to be sitting in that chair and should not have left the ship! The only reasoning that could explain this error is that the ship in Alien is a different ship, with a different engineer... but i dont think so. Anyone else see this problem??


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:01 am 
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This planet is not LV426.

It is a different planet and a different ship.



I finally saw it, I liked it.

A some story/character issues, but nothing to heavily wank about...


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This was Lv-223 (I think)

It was NOT the same ship nor planetoid as in Alien. This was deliberate

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after all these years, i have the biggest question. what does LV stand for in the planet naming system?

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It was LV-223. When I saw that pop up on screen, I was like "oh hey, I know that caliber!" :mrgreen:

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Ahhh ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. I haven't seen 'Alien' in god-knows how many years, so I was mistaken >.< Speaking of, I may just go watch it now ^.^


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Finally saw Prometheus yesterday....and I liked it...(I think?)
I felt like some of you, that there are some character issues aside from the main characters, but on the whole the story and idea of the engineers and their very disturbing biological weapons really freaked me out and I can accept that this is how our beloved Giger Alien came about. Lots of thinking to be done after seeing the film and it's only after 24 hours and reading a few plot summaries that I am now starting to understand. I have been a huge ALIEN fan all my life, the original film unsettled me with it's dark creations, interspecies rape etc.....Prometheus unsettled me in the same way. The whole concept really is the stuff of nightmares!
Just for the record I also felt that Weyland would have been much more effective actually played by an old man. Guy Pearce is a great actor but I think the finest actors in the world struggle to do an "old" voice, despite the brilliant make up effects it's always the voice that lets the performance down.


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I like this movie, but they make the crew of scientists on a "trillion" dollar mission appear like complete bungling freshman year students. They don't study the planet before landing, they charg right into the temple, they violate every scientific protocol and completely ignore any sort of Quarrantine Protocols after half of them yank there helmets in the temple. The touch and disturb everything in their path!


No wonder the sleeping engineer was pissed! :-p


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My tattoo artist asked me what I thought about Promotheus today. I thought for a moment, then sighed, and he said "Yep, that's the Prometheus Sigh."


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So here's my question ... for months loads of you guys talked about this film on a thread , posted links to sites that may heve back ground news on the film... so how many of the rumours posted were true ? :P

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"The director told Steve that the Blu-ray of Prometheus will include 20 – 30 minutes of deleted scenes, so hopefully we’ll get to see the extended David/Engineer conversation subtitles and all when the disc is released."
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