Uhhhhmmmm I just received my brand new Tokyo Marui M1A1 Thompson airsoft from 007airsoft.com last week......and he's a Canadian distributer from Calgary.

This is my first and only airsoft as I usually collect real guns. I have 20 of those bad boyz! Yup...only in Canada....pity.

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Good idea 'troon.

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Troon,

Fingers crossed mate this path leads to enlightenment for us all.

The idea of incorporating the new Laws into the Rules & regs of the UKCM certainly makes sense.

Ja
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Theatrical group? Thought so.

Good luck with making contact - I think it can be said that we all hope for a positive result!

If I'm to understand what I'm hearing across the boards, the new law will only provide for historical re-enactment groups.

Let's not forget though that the the law isn't banning posession - it's banning making them or importing them.

Slippery slope and all that...

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Yeah Mike- there are Canadian airsoft distributers. They have paid through the nose for the documents necessary to import a "prohibited device" (usually related to the movie industry).

Try importing an airsoft gun yourself. I did back in '06. Got a nice letter from Customs Canada stating that I had attempted to "import components for a replica firearm" (it was a springer M1928 Thompson). The gun was seized and destroyed.


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"I know I'm human. And if you were all these things, then you'd just attack me right now, so some of you are still human. This thing doesn't want to show itself, it wants to hide inside an imitation. If it takes us over, then it has no more enemies, nobody left to kill it. And then it's won."

No such thing... we only play hockey here.

I brought my PR here the good old fashion way. I live in close proximity to upstate New York, so I had my VP-70, Thompson and G&P kit mailed to a friend there. I had to strip everything and smuggle it all back in 4 trips. It took some time, but it's worth it for over $1600 CDN of merchandise.

Getting airsoft in Canada is not impossible, just incredibly tricky. Airsoft is in a gray zone, neither illegal nor legal. Although it's prohibited to own a replica firearm, it's legal to purchase and own an airgun with a muzzle velocity not exceeding 152.4 m per second or a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.

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Ok guys, If possession is legal whats the big rub? There is no way for the law to prove you made the replica after October 07. Now if they make you register them (like California made us register assault rifles back in the mid 1990's.) That would be cause for alarm and to stock up. If theatric groups are exempt, post a down loadable fan film on the site. Every UK member should receive credit and thus are part of the group. Thats how I would go about it. But then again I own a Spas 12 that I cant even bring into the state:(

My question is: What or how do they consider something a replica? If you go to your local Gander Mountain here in the USA, they're selling AEGs that now have clear plastic bodies.

Are they still considered a replica even if over 50% of the gun is clear plastic?

Russ

The law seems complex but, in essence, if a police offer would shoot you if you raised it in their general direction - it'll be considered a replica firearm - so that will include Pulse Rifles and most other sci-fi firearm prop replicas.
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Hi guys, I just made a post over at the RPF, and I think it's worth repeating here.

I can tell you guys that Propstore is working with, and supported by, the Gun Trade association, to find away around this situation.

Already exempt from the bill are:

Supply to film or TV
Supply for Theatrical use
Supply to Gallery
Supply to Museum
Supply to for use in Reenactment

The GTA have been working to find exemptions from the bill for collectors and successfully had deacs removed.

It is possible that online collections may fall under the 'gallery' exemption, and the GTA is seeking claifications of such.

Clearly, any such clarifications could set a precadent or folk like us. I think these guys (Propstore and the GTA) are our best hope right now and have greater chances of establishing a work-around than guys like us on prop forums.


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Sounds like a ray of light, hopefully!

Thanks for sharing Simon.

So how will companies like Master Replicas, and those that sell their wares, deal with the ban?

I was wondering this as I walked around Collectormania this weekend looking at all the blasters on sale.



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My guess is that most sci-fi weapons will be ignored, or treated as a 'grey area' - in other words....ignored

This bill is not aimed at us, it's aimed at knocking out the £20 springers sold online and on market stalls.

Note the exemptions fo deacs - too expensive for crime, they would just get a real one.

The exemption for Airsofters is pitched also at guys with expensive gear - high end gas and electic weapons.

I think the Star Wars guys are probably worrying unnecessarily. The way the bill is currently, a guy trooping with a Kenner Blaster could get busted, while a guy with a Sterling would be left alone-clearly insane, and ain't gonna happen

Another thing worth mentioning is that carrying replicas in public has been banned for ages, and I've not heard of any troopers or colonial marines being busted for carrying at cons.

The paperwork involved in busting a collector's arse won't be worth their while, imho.

Just be sensible and stay under the radar.

Converseley, it is disappointing that companies like MR appear to be sticking their heads in the sand. A big company like Corgi (?) making a stand and/or negotions would sureley add some weight in the right direction.


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At the recent Star wars day at the NSC the UKG had a perimeter which they were allowed to troop within, as this site was public property and the local authorities were informed ,this was allowed.They (the local police ) were also informed that "space blasters" would be on display as we had a stand with the replica prop board as well.
We have a thread running on the RPB too on this subject so if we come up with anything I will be sure and let you know and a couple of you guys have been a great help there too.

One of our members is part of the UK fan films network and is considering registering as a propuction company to get around this, maybe that could be an option for the marines too?

At the MK drop Jon, Burnt Kona had already spoken to the local police and had okayed it with the Firearms unit. When in the event I personally spoke to one of the event organisers who introduced us to the event security.

Once they'd seen the pulse rifle and sidearm and being assured that all were unloaded batteries disconnected they were fine. They were actually more concerned about the plastic bayonet I had..
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Well reading these last few posts,certainly shines hope on us,that much I`m sure.

I`m still moreso wary to see what`s going to happen AFTER October when this new law takes effect.

Call me insane (most do) but to tip your hand to the Goverment/Police of who you are tends to lead you down the wrong path,than trying to stay annon to the these bodies till the day paths cross.

Fingers crossed though,we`ll all be fine for the future.

Oh as for cheap Airsoft weapons (£10-£50) range at local shops & market stalls,I`ve actually complained to Trading Standards & the Police in the past about them,when I was an avid airsofter.
Scary part was when the Double Eagle (a couple of years back) brand came on the market & a local store had them in,I asked to see it (A G36 with different name) & the guy (asian) was happy to shoot off a couple of rounds in the shop with customers in. I told him that was very stupid & left.Then reported him. He`s store has since closed.

It`s the scary part with these cheap airsofts,the shops don`t care who they sell them too,same as fireworks (even though there are laws for those too). Seeing older siblings,parents buying for Legally underaged children these cheap airsofts is very disgusting & i do see to a part why these laws are coming.Not too happy though the majority of us (Commen Sense,Law Abiding)have to suffer in any form through them though

Ja
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Does anyone know how the airsoft community ,who have gained an exemption from this law,will be able to buy and import their weapons in this country ? Do they have to have some sort of license or registration process or can they only do it through their registered groups .Perhaps we could have similar kind of groups ?

Must be a way around this ,yes i too understand why and who this is aimed at as ja steel bonnet said, but why should we law abiding people have to suffer too when we have no intention of misusing our valuable and cherished replicas.

Tango fett,
I think proper Airsoft sites/Stores will still be allowed to import & sell the Airsoft weapons,thus making them still available (Ask Rev for clarity).
I think the clamp down will be on household shops,Post Offices,Markets that will be stopped from selling them.Though to be honest those shops are selling the Cheap & cheerfull Airsoft weapons not the £150+ type Airsoft weapons you know to be of decent manufacturing.

As for why though,well that`s very easy....It`s simple knee jerk response to what`s in the news or some mother of slaine child gang member claiming they were not.
Law abiding folk will always suffer in this country with hobbies of this sort of nature.
Look at Hungerford & Dunblaine,Both of these committed by madmen.Add to that Illegal firearms used in crime & yet Law abiding owners of firearms paid that price.

Yet it`s fine for car drivers to have a lethal weapon in thier hands & seriously Injur/slay people & get hands slapped or short sentences (I`m a lucky one who survived a Drunk Hit & Run when I was 9).

Now if they took away the right to Own/Drive due to untold numbers of injuries to people (that happen),that I could understand but alas Never will happen.

Ja
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To be honest, the best answer I or anyone else can give right now is...

We don't know.

We've been promised some form of exemption, or "Specific Defence", but there's as yet been no full draft legislation pertaining particularly to Airsoft skirmishing.

Frenchie, and the folk at
www.associationofbritishairsoft.org/
have most of the relevant info.

It's ALWAYS the law abiding citzen who pays the price when criminals act. And we've all seen how well gun bans work.

I wonder how many violent crimes involve things like baseball or cricket bats? Or tire irons? Or golf clubs? You don't see anyone trying to ban those things.

Russ

I had that very argument on a certain news site that reported Trading Standards as Valiant Upholders Of The Law, with a major anti-gun-shaped-thing slant...

What's caused more death, misery, pain and suffering over the last fifty years in the UK ( And probably even the US )?

Guns...
Or alcohol?

Yet one's seen as perfectly acceptable and the other is "EVILS!!!11111one".

Meh.

Ahhh it`s simple why one`s seen as acceptable to the other Rev.
The Goverment tax one that`s widely used & the other isn`t used as much so it`s easier to ban that.

Add to that people seem to think Guns are dangerous,when in fact it`s the user of said firearm (airsoft,air,realsteel) that is the true danger.

Ill education = Stupidity of the Highest Order.

Ja
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Lets not go down the route of "guns don't kill people, people kill people", as that is a dangerous line of thought. The point remains that firearms themselves do facilitate an easier method of killing than other tools, and the fact they are fairly inaccessible here makes them all the more terrifying to the general public. Sure, it is operator error, but that doesn't beat the fact that it makes the job a hell of a lot easier. It is a fact that we, as responsible users of replicas, de-acts or indeed real ones have to put up with.

Greater education is required. But sadly, I wonder just how far that would get people.

Yea valid points Fal.

It`s just so annoying when you look at what is READILY available on the market & yet the average folk don`t think twice because they serve those Average folk.

As said prior,take the car away from everyone,I bet there would be MAJOR demonstrations for a Law like that & we all know vehicles kill more people in the UK than firearms of any sort in a year.

Though the gun I suppose has always had this single image of destruction only.
It`s such ashame when those with better eduction know the UK produces some of the Worlds best shooters & Target shooters,even today with all these stupid laws.


Ja



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Education. Only the police & military have weapons. Civilians have sporting firearms (in the case of real firearms) or airsoft replica firearms (as in airsoft). The sooner we stop calling them "weapons", the sooner the public will accept the ownership of firearms, dewats and their replicas. As a firearms owner, I have been educating people since 1977. Education.

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