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 Post subject: Q: "What is the Pulse Rifle's correct designation?"
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:32 am 
What is the weapon's "correct" designation?

• M-41A
• M41-A
• M41A
• M???


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:58 am 
According to the "Illustrated Screenplay"

M-41A
Jon


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:17 am 
M41A


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:00 am 
Well, the official "unofficial" M41-A Pulse Rifle / Grenade Launcher Manual refers to it as an M41-A, which is how I've always referred to it in typed or written form.

However, it looks like there is a pretty close consensus between the three syntaxes mentioned. Here is how it shakes out when loosely searching for each particular pattern on Google:

[b1) M41-A Pulse Rifle ----- 17,300 hits
2) M-41A Pulse Rifle ----- 16,100 hits
3) M41A Pulse Rifle ----- 15,200 hits[/b]

Here's how they shake out when searched as a complete string:

1) "M41-A Pulse Rifle" ----- 1,530 hits
2) "M-41A Pulse Rifle" ----- 96 hits
3) "M41A Pulse Rifle" ----- 13,100 hits


How's that for a shake up?

Personally, I'm sticking with M41-A. ;)

Rick "Ripstick"


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:20 am 
regardless of what it should be (in keeping with current military nomenclature probably M41A) the only canonical place the designation has ever been written was Cameron's script.

So I'm sticking with M-41A :)
Jon


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:55 am 
That depends. Most people have either the Spulse rifle which is labeled as an M41-A, or the MatsuoCorp which is labelled as a M41A, so depending on the person their pulse rifle is most likely one of those.

As to mine, I don't have one, so it is impossible for my to know my Pulse Rifle.


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:02 am 
I've always seen it as just M41A.
You'd think it would be the M41 model A; so therefore M41-A would be correct.

But I do like Rick's way of doing it.
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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:20 am 
I've gone with M-41A, since that's how I've seen things like the M-16A2

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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:42 am 
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Quote:I've seen things like the M-16A2

But even that's wrong...

www.colt.com/mil/M16.asp

It's a tough one, this. I'm inclined to go the designation in the script though - M-41A... but I prefer M41-A.

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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:27 pm 
M41-A Pluse Rifle is what I use.

Like all weapons used in the army and other roles.

A "M" mark is given.

Like a M9 is a Beretta. M60, M249, M230 and so on.

Due to the fact there are different types of M41 pulse rifle a Letter is used.

So the M41-A is born.

Cheer's Steven


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:31 am 
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Quote:M41-A Pluse Rifle is what I use.
Oh great, another syntax issue! :roll:

So we've got Pulse Rifles, Spulse Rifles, and now Pluse Rifles!

Just kidding. ;)

But seriously now, you got me thinking and I'd like to bring up an interesting point. The M41-A is not a rifle, pulse or otherwise. It fires a handgun round in full-auto which qualifies it as a sub-machine gun (SMG) and not a rifle. As a real-life Thompson M1A1 SMG it fires a .45 caliber 'handgun' round. As an M41-A it fictitiously fires a 10mm caseless 'handgun' round.

Strangely, the M56 Smart Gun has been reported to fire at least two different forms of ammunition according to different sources. A very early source was quoted in a well-known magazine (possibly Starlog or Famous Monsters, I don't recall which exactly) that the M56 fired an energy pulse or plasma beam, as apposed to traditional rounds. Other much later sources mention the use of M250 10 x 28mm caseless rounds in the M56. Keep in mind the M41-A supposedly fires an M309 10 x 24mm caseless round -- a 'handgun' round. Only a 4mm difference in length mind you.

In reality, the M56 was based on either an MG42 (actual German WWII Machine Gun) or an M53 (postwar Yugoslavian version of the MG42). The MG42 fires an 8mm (7.92 x 57 mm) rifle caliber round, and the M53 was built to fire either the same 8mm round or the smaller .308 (7.62 x 51mm) caliber rifle round. Ironically, either of these would more accurately fit the "pulse rifle" name than the actual M41-A itself.

So what does this all mean? Well, the M41-A Pulse Rifle should actually be called an M41-A SMG whilst the M56 Smart Gun should be called either an M56 Smart Rifle, M56 Pulse Rifle, or M56 Smart Pulse Rifle. ;)

Crazy, ain't it? :P
Rick "Ripstick"

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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:02 am 
I don't see where 10x24 is necessarily a handgun round. In this bright and starry future of the aliens universe, I can imagine that if they have a caseless weapon, the propellant is a lot more efficient. The USCM Tech Manual mentions a muzzle velocity of around 840 meters a second.

I don't think any handgun is going to generate that kind of velocity. At least any handgun round in the rough dimension of 10x24mm. A round that small, with that kind of velocity is incredible.

I think it can still be a "rifle" simply due to the power of the round being fired. A .45ACP is a low veloicty handgun round. A 10x24mm M309 seems more like a large caliber, high velocity rifle round to me.

Oh yeah ...

To me, it's the M41-A


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:38 am 
I always thought a rifle meant it had a 'rifled' barrel - hence, err... 'rifle'. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:29 am 
Well yeah, "rifle" means the barrel has rifling in it. In a more general term, when speaking of ammunition, rifle calibers are bigger than handgun calibers in a sense.

A 30-06, or the .303 are considered rifle calibers. Both are about .30 caliber, or 7.62mm. Handgun calibers generally have a larger diameter, but less powder charge behind them. Rifle calibers have sufficient powder to generate high velocities, giving a rifle long range and accuracy. Handgun calibers are for short range, high controllibility work.

Wow, that was a really sloppy description, but it works I guess. All one really needs to know is always bring a rifle to a gunfight if you can instead of a handgun.

Would you want to fight Xenos with a VP70, or a Pulse Rifle :D


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:42 am 
Have we completely exhausted all the things we can discuss about the movie Aliens? :roll: ;)

Perhaps we should talk about whether it is USCM or U.S.C.M.? :P




Just kidding- carry on grunts. ;) :)

Kevin


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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:16 am 
Yo Sarge!! I'm touched. I really am!! :D
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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:28 am 
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Quote:Perhaps we should talk about whether it is USCM or U.S.C.M.? :P
Oh great... you too Sarge? :roll: :P ;)

Okay tough guy... so is it United States Colonial Marines, or is it United Systems Colonial Marines? And what's with this UKCM and AUCM stuff? :roll: ;)

...oh, just forget it. :P ;)
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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:47 am 
I can beat that...

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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:00 pm 
The queen carried it with her - she ain't daft y'know, ask Pug as I think he 'knows' her personally like. :shock:

"when did she hide it?"

While Ripley got into the Loader.

"why didn't Newt see her do it?"

Newt was cowering in fear trying to keep away from the queen.

SAS
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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:29 pm 
After careful review, I would stick with Derrick Baena's interpretation; 'M41-A'. It keeps things on the level, so to speak.
Tom
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 Post subject: Re: Think you know your Pulse Rifle?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:09 am 
If we line the shrouds with soft padding, would it be a "Plush Rifle"?
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