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"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

As a trained army sniper huh?

Well, then it all comes down to how you want to jail. At least of course, in the sate of Virginia.

Commonwealth of Virginia laws state that for self defense to actually qualify as self defense the defender must have used equal or lesser force. And sadly as a trained soldier, you should know that via state law that you are by all means a trained weapon. And that (in Virginia at least) you have no basis for a self defense case. But that’s beside the point, let’s use universal factoids.

A well regulated Militia. The National Defense Act of 1916 placed all state militia units under the National Guard, later this was amended again in 1933 under the National Guard Mobilization, Act, which put all militia (National Guard) under army control.

And seeing as the National Guard trains and arms its own troops, which is the militia. You don’t have a right to own anything.

Even more so the right to keep and bear arms. Not the right to purchase.

So forefathers aside, you don’t have the right, even by a long shot, but being reasonable I respect the idea that people think they need to defend themselves against impending doom, though statistics say otherwise and people like to hunt and kill game, despite a large amount of delicious animal product being available at your local retailer.

Florida "X-Box" murder trial to start today
Created: 4/10/2006 6:06:48 AM
Updated: 4/10/2006 7:00:16 AM

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - The "X-Box" murder trial gets underway Monday in Florida.

Three men are accused of planning the 2004 attack in which six people were stabbed and beaten with aluminum baseball bats at a house in Deltona.

Prosecutors allege the defendants wanted to retrieve an X-box video game system that one of the men lost when he was kicked out of a different house.

Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for all three.

A fourth man charged in the case already has pleaded guilty and will receive life in prison in exchange for his testimony.

Author:	michellejordi [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:08 pm ]
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it's raining and i was bored. so i was surfing on the net when i came across this.do we now the guy in the first pic. http://funtasticus.com/20080313/armed-a ... eir-homes/ (if i offend someone please do delete)

Author:	101Radioman [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:43 pm ]
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Don't know him but with that collection I think he would make a dang fine friend.

Author:	michellejordi [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:21 pm ]
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ya

Author:	Eagle [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:56 pm ]
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I thought flash eliminators were illegal in the US - or is that just some states? Oh, to have that choice.

Author:	Spatman [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:11 am ]
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I think some of those guns are airsofts, or have airsoft parts on them.

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Author:	joeranger [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:34 am ]
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Author:	101Radioman [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:07 am ]
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Now that the old crime bill pasted by Clinton admin is a deadhorse, the "flash suppressors" are upto the state regs. Also "mufflers","silencers" are available is allowed by the states first then you have to fill out Federal Papers and pay a $200 tax. The same for Select-fire or Full auto weapons.

Author:	SSgt Burton [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:11 am ]
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So citizens will be allowed to own full auto, silenced weapons? And let the debate begin...

Author:	Dan AKA [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:22 am ]
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SSgt Burton wrote: So citizens will be allowed to own full auto, silenced weapons? And let the debate begin... There is no debate. Citizens don't need full auto, flash suressors, select fire or clips larger than 5 rounds. In fact, you show me why someone would need a rifle or hand gun with anythin BUT a scope and 5 round clip and I'll show you a liar. Don't get me wrong, I think guns are facisinating, and my self am a fairly good shot with a 22, hell my mother was 2nd best female shot in the country for three years, but if you reall need to display assult weapons buy airsoft. If you need more than a hand gun to defend your home, move, and if you need more than a two round shot gun to hunt with, top hunting.

Author:	101Radioman [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:18 am ]
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Dan I see your position on the "Need" side. But not to offend the Fathers of this country have given me the right to keep and bear arms. You logic while good and if used to apply to firearms well then shouldn't we apply it to all things? I mean No One needs a fuel burning V8 when you can get from point A to B with a 4 cylinder engine. 95% of the population the Drive gas hog SUV's and 4x4 will never uses them as intended by design so why have them? Now you may say that I have a sligthlty bias in this field. Yes I do as in fact I own and shoot on a regular basis a 5.56 mm M4 carbine which I have twenty 30 round magazines and ten 20 rounders, a Yugo AK with ten 30 rounders, a model 1927a1 Thompson with 50 round drum and six 30 round sticks, Plus my pride and joy a 1942 production MP40 german SMG with seven 32 round magazines and is as manufactured full auto. As for cars I drive a "vintage 1979 oldsmobile cutlass with a 350 V8. " I carry on a daily basis a 1911a1 depending on dress a full size 5in barrel or a 3in. I have "no need" for any of theese yet thanks to our forefathers I can legally own theese and do and will continue to do so. As a trained US Army Sniper I do not need more then one round but why linit ones self if I even do have to use any of the above to defend life and liberty Gods as my Witness I will use as many rounds as needed to do the job. http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159 ... IM0446.jpg http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159 ... IM0430.jpg http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159 ... IM0426.jpg http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159 ... IM0815.jpg

Author:	Dan AKA [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:41 am ]
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"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." As a trained army sniper huh? Well, then it all comes down to how you want to jail. At least of course, in the sate of Virginia. Commonwealth of Virginia laws state that for self defense to actually qualify as self defense the defender must have used equal or lesser force. And sadly as a trained soldier, you should know that via state law that you are by all means a trained weapon. And that (in Virginia at least) you have no basis for a self defense case. But that’s beside the point, let’s use universal factoids. A well regulated Militia. The National Defense Act of 1916 placed all state militia units under the National Guard, later this was amended again in 1933 under the National Guard Mobilization, Act, which put all militia (National Guard) under army control. And seeing as the National Guard trains and arms its own troops, which is the militia. You don’t have a right to own anything. Even more so the right to keep and bear arms. Not the right to purchase. So forefathers aside, you don’t have the right, even by a long shot, but being reasonable I respect the idea that people think they need to defend themselves against impending doom, though statistics say otherwise and people like to hunt and kill game, despite a large amount of delicious animal product being available at your local retailer.

Author:	Cooter Davis [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:49 am ]
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Ha.......... (zero are airsofts in case you're wondering.)

Author:	Spatman [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:01 am ]
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Please lock and then delete this thread before it causes another flame war. It's not bad now, but I can see this getting really bad later.

Author:	SSgt Burton [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:40 am ]
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This thread is about to go in all directions- and before it gets nuked fom orbit by the Powers That Be, I'd like to comment on this... Dan AKA wrote: Commonwealth of Virginia laws state that for self defense to actually qualify as self defense the defender must have used equal or lesser force. Funny enough in Canada of all places, the law allows you to use as much force as is being used against you, plus a little more so that you may be successful in defending yourself against your attacker. If you used an equal amount it would be a stalemate, and with less force, you would lose no? Yes I know I'm splitting hairs. I don't proclaim to know specifics of The Constitution of The United States- But it is my understanding that the Right to Bear Arms stemmed from the British Empire making it illegal for citizens to own firearms. This was to prevent the common people from attempting to overthrow the government. It was also the right of every US citizen to be able to put food on the table. Again this was due to the British government outlawing hunting. Both of these are archaic reasons for non members of the military or law enforcement to own firearms. Much that you would like to believe that ownership of firearms is a right, in this day and age it is really a privilage. Don't get me wrong- I like guns, and would probably own several if I wasn't married to a woman who hates them.

Author:	SSgt Burton [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:08 am ]
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Well guys I apologize for starting this. I guess some days you just feel the need to stir the pot. 101Radioman wrote: But lets not debate and take sides here. Let get back to what we all love to discuss effective ways to hunt bugs. I carry a Phased Infantry Gun. VP70 is my back up weapon. Oh but when the stuff hits the fan- I like to punch them in the mush...

Author:	Airborne Mike [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:57 am ]
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Dan AKA, I respect your views about guns. That is your opinion and fair enuff, you are allowed to have it. Me? I like guns. I have 20 of them. I like to hunt & have eaten the following North American critters: duck, geese, rabbit, whitetail & mule deer, elk, antelope, moose, grouse, pheasant and even eaten squirrel & porcupine (very fatty). Beef, pork, chicken is OK but I love a variety of meats. I am a carnivore. I like to go varmint shooting, I like to shot long distance targets. In the army, I was an armorer & loved to work on weapon systems. My specialty was machine guns & sniper rifles. If I could, I would carry a pistol concealed but alas, I'm only allowed to carry my Spyderco folder..... but I have a surprise in my car trunk. Can you say Remington 870? If you live in a neighborhood that has gunshots nightly, I say move or get a pistol/shotgun for defense and practice, practice, practice. I love the SUV analogy. I also like the motorcycle analogy. I totally respect people who adore motorcycles. If they want to buy a Japanese crotch rocket, go for it. If they want to go off road with their dirt bikes, give 'er. If they want to spend 15+ grand on a hog, it's their money. Have fun. I have zero interest in them BUT I have no probs with people playing with them. I respect their hobbies & desires. I just wish society would respect mine.....firearms. Enuff said. Time to go to bed. Gotta hit the gym in the morning. Long day. Gotta handload some gopher bustin' 22-250 tomorrow nite. Mike

Author:	Ripper 714 [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:01 am ]
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Interesting thread. Mods, don't delete this thread. Lock it if you must, but don't delete it. Quote: Ssgt Burton said... Oh but when the stuff hits the fan- I like to punch them in the mush... Xenomorphs have an exoskeleton. Uh, bye fingers? Collin "Ripper714"

Author:	SGM Baldwin [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:37 am ]
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Ripper 714 wrote: Xenomorphs have an exoskeleton. Uh, bye fingers? You obviously haven't seen the Hamilton Kid's right hook, pal.

Author:	101Radioman [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:01 am ]
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Cooter don't tell the press but i think you found Al Capones secret vault. Sweet. Dan We could debate here forever. The thing could get crazy around here , the facts do come down to the state your in and it's laws. Every state is different. It is way confusing when you have a conceal carry permit that is honored in 38 or the 50 states when traveling they all have slight different laws and you must be aware of them all. But lets not debate and take sides here. Let get back to what we all love to discuss effective ways to hunt bugs. Peace all.

Author:	Dan AKA [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:03 am ]
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SSgt Burton wrote: Don't get me wrong- I like guns, and would probably own several if I wasn't married to a woman who hates them. Don't get me wrong, I like guns. I study them, I like to fire them, I think in there's a sense of invulnerbility in them. But they are way o dangrouse for everyone to just own them. Being an activist against has put me up again a to of people who think they have the right. Most of these people live in suburban areas, or even rural zones. And are gnerally safe with or wthout guns. I live in Norfolk, whih only in the past 8 years has become a place safe to walk during the day. I live in area where gun fire at night is commonplace ad have grown up around gangs and gun violence. And while I have (knock on wood) never lost someone to gunviolence, I know those who have, and it's heartbreaking. So those who enjoy owning your guns, smile, becase in all reality I can spit statistics show you photos and scream my face blue in how honestly wrong your loose interpretation of our consitution is. Or how thesame people who hide behind it's words are the first who want to amend it to fit there standards. but you'll never know. Losing one to war is one thing, and is hard. But you can have hope in knowing yuor loved one died serving thier country. When one dies to gun violence at home due to lax laws and retards shoing off thier arsenals and bragging on the streets, well then you sirs or madams, have none of my respect. End of my involvment in this thread.

Author:	101Radioman [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:42 am ]
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Here is a nice informative site. http://www.a-human-right.com

Author:	Alien1099 [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:28 am ]
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Dan AKA wrote: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." As a trained army sniper huh? Well, then it all comes down to how you want to jail. At least of course, in the sate of Virginia. Commonwealth of Virginia laws state that for self defense to actually qualify as self defense the defender must have used equal or lesser force. And sadly as a trained soldier, you should know that via state law that you are by all means a trained weapon. And that (in Virginia at least) you have no basis for a self defense case. But that’s beside the point, let’s use universal factoids. A well regulated Militia. The National Defense Act of 1916 placed all state militia units under the National Guard, later this was amended again in 1933 under the National Guard Mobilization, Act, which put all militia (National Guard) under army control. And seeing as the National Guard trains and arms its own troops, which is the militia. You don’t have a right to own anything. Even more so the right to keep and bear arms. Not the right to purchase. So forefathers aside, you don’t have the right, even by a long shot, but being reasonable I respect the idea that people think they need to defend themselves against impending doom, though statistics say otherwise and people like to hunt and kill game, despite a large amount of delicious animal product being available at your local retailer. I suggest you brush up on your American History and the reason for the inclusion of the Second Amendment. Do you honestly believe that the Second Amendment exists to give the government protection from itself? The American Revolutionaries had just finished fighting a war against an oppressive government and they put a right in the Bill of Rights (all of which apply to individual citizens) for protection for the government? LOL Every single right in the bill of rights applies to the individual citizen except the 2nd? If you don't like guns, that's fine. You don't have to own any. However, don't try and FORCE your views on other adults that don't agree with you by twisting history and supporting anti-gun legistlation. As for why I need full auto weaponry, flash suppressors, and "clips" (it's magazine, not clip) larger than 5 rounds, etc... http://www.wzzm13.com/printfullstory.aspx?storyid=52622 Quote: Florida "X-Box" murder trial to start today Created: 4/10/2006 6:06:48 AM Updated: 4/10/2006 7:00:16 AM ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - The "X-Box" murder trial gets underway Monday in Florida. Three men are accused of planning the 2004 attack in which six people were stabbed and beaten with aluminum baseball bats at a house in Deltona. Prosecutors allege the defendants wanted to retrieve an X-box video game system that one of the men lost when he was kicked out of a different house. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for all three. A fourth man charged in the case already has pleaded guilty and will receive life in prison in exchange for his testimony. Not that I even need a reason or justification for exercising a RIGHT. And asking why somebody needs a flash suppressor? They have about as much effect on your average gun as a spoiler does on your average sports car. It adds about as much deadlyness as a spoiler adds speed to makes a car faster. Can you tell me why I shouldn't have one? I'll tell you one thing, you will almost NEVER see the flash of a gun during the day and you will always see it at night, with or without a flash suppressor. The flash suppressor helps preserve your night vision. That's about it. It's just a cosmetic feature for most people and was banned under the original assault weapons ban because it made guns looks scary just like bayonets (I've never even heard of somebody being murdered via bayonet) and pistol grips.

Author:	SSgt Burton [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:09 pm ]
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101Radioman wrote: Here is a nice informative site. I think you mean "one sided". I clicked on the "Liability" option just to see what it had to say. Honestly I consider myself pro-gun as far as a Canadian who has never owned a firearm in his life- but I can't stand listening to rhetoric like that.

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