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Author:  chevyh0tr0d [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:51 am ]
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So here is my review of the new Conan

Jason Momoa is a pretty good Conan it is a toss up for me between him and Arny
Stephen Lang is a good bad guy
Rose McGowan is a decent supporting villain
Ron Pearlman is really good as Conan's dad

The movie has a pretty good story sticks to the comics pretty close very good 1st act and 3rd act the middle section of the movie gets a little dull though

Good swordfighting scenes needed a few more
The 3d is "backround 3d" with little or none poping out at you till the 3rd act

Also Morgan Freeman beginning narration is pretty sweet

I give this movie a 8/10

Something you could see in theaters for the 25 to 30 bucks(2 3d tickets) and not waste your money. Also something you could wait to see till blue ray

On a final note sat around till after credits, no special scene or trailer after credits so when they roll if you see it in theaters feel free to walk out

Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:15 pm ]
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Have you read the Conan books?

I have to say, I don't know Jason Momoa, but the rest of that cast make it sound very interesting. I will watch ANYTHING with Ron Perlman in at least once!!

Does it have the same feel as Arnie's Conan films, or is it more like a 3D episode of Hercules and Xena?

Author:  Hollis DZC [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:33 pm ]
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Excuse me for all the "Arnold the Barbarian" fans - I liked the movies...back then. When you watch them now, there is very little swordplay by Arnold- he swings, he grimaces, and oh look! A dead badguy!

Jason Momoa kicked all kinds of ass as Ronon Dex on Stargate Atlantis. He is what RE Howard wrote of his character. Big, strong, fast and "as dextrous as a panther". Waaay bad ass.

Can't wait.

Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:42 pm ]
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Hollis DZC wrote:
Excuse me for all the "Arnold the Barbarian" fans - I liked the movies...back then. When you watch them now, there is very little swordplay by Arnold- he swings, he grimaces, and oh look! A dead badguy!

Jason Momoa kicked all kinds of ass as Ronon Dex on Stargate Atlantis. He is what RE Howard wrote of his character. Big, strong, fast and "as dextrous as a panther". Waaay bad ass.

Can't wait.


I liked Arnie the Barbarian. It was cheesy and funny, but pretended to be serious and I think Herc & Xena owe a lot to both films. Plus Sandahl Bergman was gorgeous in film 1. But the silliness of Arnie was one of the charms in those films anyway. My only regret is that for Arnie's final film he chose to do a comedic Terminator instead of playing the older Conan needed to finish the films off.


That's the difference between the books vs the films (and probably the comics, too). Same with a Bond book vs a Bond movie. They have pretty much become separate entities in their own right.


My fear is that the Jason Momoa version will be SFX heavy and too sparkly-bright, like Xena or the D&D movies, but I'll certainly give it a go.

Author:  taj [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:03 pm ]
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I personally love Jase, I will watch the movie and suspend my love of the boy to critique the movie
The Arnie versions were pure cheese, love them

Author:  TECKNO VIKING [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:20 pm ]
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I was wary when i first heard of the remake and of Jason playing the Conan role, however after seeing the trailer I actually find I`m looking forward to getting to the cinema to see it.

From the trailer I saw he actually wears armour (little bit or actually geared up Greekish/Roman style?), that right Chevy?

The trailer certainly gives the impression he does indeed seem more like an embodiment of the comics/novels in that respect.

As for swordplay in a movie, there`s NEVER enough :p

With that I do have trepidation due to this being like the remake "Clash of the Titans" (cannot believe they are making a second one) and how bad it was due to the SFX layden effects that actually spoilt it, that and Sam :p Hope Jason doesn`t make the same mistake ;)

Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:31 pm ]
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TECKNO VIKING wrote:
With that I do have trepidation due to this being like the remake "Clash of the Titans" (cannot believe they are making a second one) and how bad it was due to the SFX layden effects that actually spoilt it, that and Sam :p Hope Jason doesn`t make the same mistake ;)


A SECOND ONE???!!!

Jeez, Teckno, you're full of good news this week, ain'tcha?
First your Bieber Incident, now a second crappy CotT.... I might as well join you in the Ancient Greek Army!! :lol:

Author:  TECKNO VIKING [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:42 pm ]
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Hey I`m NOT making the Second one :p Hated Sam`s version with a passion if I`m honest. As for the Bieber incident, well read up my friend on FB I think the TECKNO VIKING is redeemed :p

Author:  TECKNO VIKING [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:43 pm ]
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Just to add salt to the wound http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1646987/

Author:  chevyh0tr0d [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:39 pm ]
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Ttaskmaster wrote:
Have you read the Conan books?

Does it have the same feel as Arnie's Conan films, or is it more like a 3D episode of Hercules and Xena?


To answer your 1st question, yes I read about 20 of the comics 2 or 3 years back along with 1 of the books.

To answer your 2nd question it had a Arny Conan feel with alot of 3d background "avatar 3d" feel to it. The only time it becomes a "3d episode of xena or Hercules" is for about 5 mins in the end when he fights a giant water squid like creature. But other then a few over the top octopus arms flying out in 3d it definatly retains the Arny Conan feel

I think I would rate Jason Momoa as a close 2nd to Arny as Conan, purely cause I grew up watching Conan the Destroyer and a little Conan the Barbarian as kid in the 90's

Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:53 pm ]
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chevyh0tr0d wrote:
To answer your 1st question, yes I read about 20 of the comics 2 or 3 years back along with 1 of the books.

How would you say the book compares to each film?
I read them aaaaaages ago when I was a kid, but haven't gotten around to re-reading recently enough to remember much what they're like.

chevyh0tr0d wrote:
To answer your 2nd question it had a Arny Conan feel with alot of 3d background "avatar 3d" feel to it.

Oh GOODY!!!!!!! :D

chevyh0tr0d wrote:
purely cause I grew up watching Conan the Destroyer and a little Conan the Barbarian as kid in the 90's

Right, that settles it - I am seeing this film!!!!!!!

Author:  TECKNO VIKING [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:58 pm ]
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Sounding more and more appealing. Though like the comics and books does he wear armour and I mean Breastplate, helmet, maybe pauldrons? As that`s why I thought they went with a Skinnier Conan to Arnie.

Watched them when they were first released and RED SONJA (come on it`s CONAN) and got to say STILL firm favourites of mine but am actually getting excited about this one.

By Odin`s and Crom`s blessing I shall see this film.

Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:39 pm ]
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"To khrush yuh enemiz.... to see dem drivuhn bevore yoo.... and to heer da lamendaion uff da vimen!!"

Author:  TECKNO VIKING [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:43 pm ]
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That`s what is good in life :D

Author:  chevyh0tr0d [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:45 pm ]
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Ttaskmaster wrote:
How would you say the book compares to each film?
I read them aaaaaages ago when I was a kid, but haven't gotten around to re-reading recently enough to remember much what they're like.



I can not think of another way to compare them with out everyone understanding so this is the way I will do it

The new Conan compares to the book and comics(I read) I read a few years ago on a scale of about 8 out of 10
The old Conan the barbarian compares to the book and comics on about a 6 or a 7 out of 10
Conan the Destroyer compares to the book and comics on about a 7 or 7.5 out of 10


TECKNO VIKING wrote:
Sounding more and more appealing. Though like the comics and books does he wear armour and I mean Breastplate, helmet, maybe pauldrons? As that`s why I thought they went with a Skinnier Conan to Arnie.


Tech I remember he does wear armor(Breastplate, Pauldrons) in the book and comics I read, but I do not ever remember him wearing a helmet. This movie sticks close to that because in the last 1/3 of the movie he does actually wear armor(mostly just a chest piece) that is leather so that helps keep it close to the book and comics in my mind

I hope this all helped

Author:  TECKNO VIKING [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:53 pm ]
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I recall the front cover of one of the novels he has a Greek/Roman-esque style helmet with Plume. Good to hear he does armour up, that alone will make a Lot of the books/comics fans very happy.

Author:  Hollis DZC [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:32 pm ]
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I've read all the Conan novels -
I've read all the Conan comics, all the Savage Tales & Savage Sword issues.

I really liked Arnold the Barbarian- even bought the 2 seasons of Conan, with his Austrian buddy, it's like a continuation of the films, even has the fur diaper, errr, speedo.

This new Conan will be THE new standard. Jason Momoa will OWN the role. He's a bad ass and can fight. And he's a quick, dextrous mutha. Looking forward to this immensely!

Author:  Hollis DZC [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:34 pm ]
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Saw it...Frickin' AWESOME!! Jason Momoa IS Conan the Barbarian. Fast, moves well, high agility, intense. Great Flick!

Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:02 pm ]
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LIES it was all LIES!!!!!

I've always been a big fan of the John Millius and Arnold films, so I was both afraid of seeing what newfangled nonsense had done to the story, yet eager to see what people were claiming was even better... Even my favourite reviwer, Catherine Reitman, gave it some favourable comments... just some, though.

The first act of the movie was cool.
Heavily over-gory, but appropriately so and without being oversensational about it (ie, like 300). The storyline is rich and the environment bursting with detail. True, the plot is somewhat OTT, but this is a tale of high adventure. Given the legend, I can well believe a kid like Conan achieving what he does.


For me, a character's appearance is usually representative of the whole film's cinematography and style.

Conan is tall and panther-like, never Arnie's bricks-in-a-pillow muscley look. Jason Momoa has that down well, along with the dark hair and some vague semblance of Oriental/Eastern Steppes sort of look.... But he still has too much Hawaiian to be fully convincing, for me.

He is also a touch too boyish and pretty for my eyes and the stereotypical plastered-on scar (down through the eyeline, but subtle enough not to spoil his beauty) only adds to the cartoony Xena feel.
I always saw Xena as being about barbarians who shower and exfoliate every day, with at least one stylist on hand, spray-on sweat and grime applied Mary Poppins style (from a make-up compact).
In short, he is NOT Conan... he is The Scorpion King all over again, but without even teh snappy dialogue.
And he looks like he learned to act solely by copying three expressions from Karl Urban.

Conan films should be dark, dirty, bloody, filthy and have almost NO characters that we would consider 'Hollywood beautiful', unless they are princesses or gods (Sandahl Bergman as a Valkyrie :) ). It is a land of death and hardship, whatever your chosen profession and only a very small handful are rich enough not to have to work for it. People should look like this is the case.


But regardless, the first half of the film is good - Slightly cheesy plot and nothing that's not been thought of before, but convincing enough that you go with it and executed with enough unique moments to be thoroughly entertaining.


Then, all of a sudden, everything falls flat...
The sets start getting over-detailed and like they're only there to look visially impressive to a 3-D audience. Conversely, the acting got worse and all the characters magically became one-dimensional. It's like the filmmakers just got bored and did 'whatever' just to finish the project and collect a paycheque.

We meet the female co-star - She's gorgeous, pretty, shiny and a former model... totally unsuited to a Conan flick. The plot gets lazy and starts sounding like a generic, cheap fantasy film.
The swordplay gets all spinny and everyone suddenly starts fighting like Eastern martial artists. The stunts get all Jackie Chan and the only thing missing is heavy wire-work with people flying around.
As a swordsman myself, the moves in the original Conan are flawed and over-staged but still work and are realistic enough to entertain. The stuff in this new film is just pure show and no-one after the first third of the film ever looks like they have even picked up a sword before. There was only one move in the whole film that grabbed my attention. 2 mere seconds of footage throughout the whole thing!

Even the silly plot idea of a magic item so dangerous that the parts were split up and scattered, suddenly comes back to bite you in the butt.
Chuck in a random big sea monster to complete the circle and you have your massive Hollywood crowd-pleaser... even though I've been more entertained by a $2000 B-Movie.

By the end of this film, I was only half-watching and ended up playing Solitaire on my mobile phone. Oddly enough, conversations with fellow watchers show I still didn't miss any details, so simple had the film become.


I was not a fan of the casting either, for the most part.
Ron Perlman does a fantastic job of Conan's father... Not quite as legendary or with as epic a feel as William Smith, but he is easily the best actor in the cast. He has real presence, proper depth and, as with his lower budget films, is the only reason this film is worth watching.

Jason Momoa may have a good look, but he's too pretty and not once did I get the impression that his Conan was a deep thinker, or in any way the wise, quietly contemplative man I know him to be. He's just a mindless, violent thug with pretty looks and a bit of muscle. He even looked like his entire acting reppertoire consists solely of 3 facial expressions stolen from Karl Urban. He is eye candy with a sword, but nothing more. For all his faults, Arnold actually brought his Conan to life. Momoa's portrayal will be quickly forgotten.

Samuel L Jackson??!! Why is he even here? He has what I call Morgan Freeman syndrome, since Morgan also crops up in a lot of similar roles. Yes, he has a good narrative voice, but there is no mystical quality and he doesn't even sound like a chronicler... He just sounds like Samuel L Jackson, sat down the pub, telling us about a film he watched the other day. He might as well have just said, "Back in 5000BC, the following happened:".

Stephen Lang... OK, he was a decent bad guy in Avatar... But now Hollywood are casting him in all their bad guy roles and the same trick does not work everywhere. There was almost no difference in his performance between here and Avatar. In fact, he wasn't even scary in this. Absolutely no presence at all. That's why James Earl Jones is still The Man!

The rest of the cast, the plot, the film in general is just chalked up as 'another film I saw, once'.

Author:  Hollis DZC [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:46 pm ]
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Well bro, we're going to have to agree to disagree. While not ALL of the movie was outstanding, it was a damn good Sword and Sorcery film.

Disregarding Jason's appearance, he has far, far more athletic ability than Arnold. Most of Arnold's sword fighting scenes were just grunting and swinging the sword, cutting to the result.

As for Jason being thuggish, I'm not sure how to read into that. How should a Barbarian be? Not the noble knight to be sure. And this is early in Conan's career, he doesn't get wiser until he gets older, now he's just "doing without much thinking". I could have done without the giant squid or the mystical magical artifact of all that's not good either.

But, we got to see the character come close to what the author Robert E. Howard intended. Athletic, high dexterity, etc.

I too am a swordsman, what parts of the swordfighting did you disagree with?

It was mentioned about Conan wearing a helmet, he wears them now and again in the comics, but not very much. Moreso sometimes in the novels, but not for very long.

We really enjoyed the film, and actually bought it. It's a fun sword & sorcery film. Could it have been better? Sure! Most films can. But, on it's own, it has some really, really good parts. The young Conan part is awesome. Love the part where Conan allows himself to go to jail and takes out all the guards and has a discussion with his childhood foe... :wink:

Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:46 pm ]
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Bear in mind that, when I watched this, I did my absolute best to keep my Arnie preconceptions tightly closed...


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I too am a swordsman, what parts of the swordfighting did you disagree with?


The fancy, swishy, twirling stuff, reversing grip mid-fight and spinning around like a Jedi - All things that will get you killed very quick by any competent swordsman, especially if they're wielding big swords like Conan.

Arnie's swordplay wsuffered a bit from cinematography typical of the genre at the time, I think - Slow for dramatic reasons and so you can see what's going on. But it had all the basics incorporated into the choreographs. I find a lot of films these days try to be impressive by making things fast. While it may look flashy and fancy, it doesn't look realistic (coz it's not). But I'd be scared to face Arnie Conan with a sword... Whereas I felt I could happily rip Momoa Conan apart.

Arnie is perhaps a touch too hulky to be that convincing but he certainly seems far more solid than Momoa's style, which would be better suited to some lithe, nimble little elf. On a guy as big as Momoa (and as pretty), such moves just look like he's dancing instead of fighting. The instant he turns his back to start spinning, he's dead meat.

If you watch the village fight scenes, where Conan's father dispatches an enemy in two or three well-placed, hefty whacks of his sword, THAT is what I expect from realistic swordplay. To stretch the fight scenes out, Momoa's Conan takes ages to win the fight, blocks stuff all the time and really plays up to that final triumphant moment when he delivers the Finish Him strike... For Conan, a skilled warrior, I'd expect more solid fighting and avoiding incoming while delivering single, crushing counters instead of dancing and spinning like a bladed dervish.


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As for Jason being thuggish, I'm not sure how to read into that. How should a Barbarian be?

A barbarian like Conan should at least exhibit some evidence of intelligence, culture and life beyond the single line of, "I live, I love, I slay, I am content".
There is missing a whole context of him being far more learned, well travelled, skilled in many languages, knowledgable of philosophies and religions... Even so early in his 'career', he's already spent years at sea as a pirate, visiting all these lands. I see no real evidence of that and he just comes across as a flat sword-slinging pretty boy with barely any personality. That one line (taken directly from one of the books, I know) is missing the context and it's just a throwaway reference to the source material - I didn't actually believe Momoa when he said it. It sounded as hollow as a tag line for a product advertisement.

I don't expect him to be well-mannered like a knight, but I do expect him to at least seem like he has brains in there somewhere. Momoa's Conan just hacks and slashes away, knowing he cannot die because it's not in the script and not once did he seem like anything more than an actor playing a role. Every character just felt fake right the way through (even Ron Perlman, but in his case it's clearly the script :( ).


And where's this huge mirth Conan's supposed to have? Grinning inanely and delivering a couple of lines doesn't carry it for me... Even Arnie managed better.


The first act was very REH. Even from what little I know of him, I could feel it. The whole cinematic felt like a book and I was actually laughing with delight (yes, I probably *am* disturbed - I blame Munkey) when young Conan slayed the four chaps in the woods - It was filmed and choreographed right, it felt right and was like some scene that Arnie's Conan had always been missing. There was such promise there.
But from around Act 2 onwards, it just went all limp and became an episode of Xena.


As a general sword & sorcery flick, I thought it was pretty OK.
It fell short and went very sloppy toward the ending (I mean, even the ultra-modern CGI started looking like 80s blue screen, when girlie was hanging over the ravine!), but as a fantasy film it is watchable.
Prince Of Persia was a better watch.

But it's not a Conan film and, for ALL the flaws, the Arnie version is still more convincing to me.

Author:  Hollis DZC [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:33 pm ]
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Well, yes ALL the Conan films have flaws. And yes, twirling around while swordfighting may work for Jedi, but...it's not much real world I agree. I do wish that the filmmakers could have put more realism instead of flash into it. Looking more detailed into the film, it's got good sections, and lesser sections. Today's films seem to have a "need" to make the protagonist more of a superhero than a highly skilled fighter.

As for swordfighting...
About time to watch Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone fight in: Robin Hood, Captain Blood. And most of Flynn's swashbucklers: The Seahawks, etc.

Put those are with rapiers and such. Larger swords seem to require grimaces (Arnold) or Jedi-like moves (Jason).
I'm wondering if they wanted to showcase Jason's athletic abilty "Look, he can do this and this, let's put it in!" rather than pure swordsmanship.

And no, they don't capture Conan's earliest forays, they talk about one of his greatest stories early on in the bar, which is a bit of let down. His Pirate days with, was it Belize? Can't quite recall her name- become cruising about with his buddy instead.

As for Conan / Jason Momoa, I really liked his work as Ronon Dex in Stargate Atlantis. That's some good stuff in there. Good fight scenes and short, effective sword work too. (until his sword is written out, or left in his room. Too effective I guess)

I still think with a better script, Jason can pull off being Conan. At one time, I would have loved to see Dolph Lundgren play Conan. Perfect size, good agility (a Champion kick-boxer) and he can use a sword more than decently. (He wielded one in He-Man).

These days, with the success of Lord of the Rings (and don't get me started on how they treated dwarves, Gimili barely does anything, while Legolas becomes a superhero) I have high hopes that Fantasy Sword and Sorcery films may make a comeback. Hopefully no "C" films, and that our "B" films can become "A" films.

I enjoyed Arnold the Barbarian's films, we can critique his too, the Wheel of Pain didn't exist in REH, his whole youth was changed dramatically from the books. But he does look like a barbarian, but his acting skills were on the way to improvement later in his career.

Your turn! :)

Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:35 pm ]
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Todays films are SO formulaic in their casting, dialogue and general assembly, for the most part. Quoting a couple random lines from the book to seem like they're adhering faithfully to the whole thing, for example. Conan 2011 is a classic example - ALL the main cast seem chosen just because they're current 'hot stars'.

Momoa - Pretty ex-model type
Nun woman - Pretty ex-model type
Stephen Lang - Current favourite bad guy
Rose McG - Nip/Tuck, Law & Order, Machete... *must* be a good move, right?
More Than Freeman - THE choice for any modern narration (which even Family Guy made fun of).

The only exception is Ron Perlman and although he's Hellboy and Clay Morrow (Sons of Anarchy), he is impressive in *anything* he does!

Arn looks more like a barbarian from a D&D manual rather than what I understood Conan to be, but at least gave the character some appropriate depth and spoke the dialogue like he meant it.


Errol Flynn? NOOOOO!!!
I hate old swordy films - Watch how they move back and forth, yet neither comes to within striking range. They keep the same spacing, like a pair of dancers! Rapiers are about tiny cuts and piercing. I'm not a fan of them, or their Elizabethan sidesword/arming sword variants. Then again, I am a student of methods like George Silver's (Paradoxes of Defence and Brief Instructions, 1598) - He had a hatred for Rapiers that was almost racist!

Conan swords are medieval and you need Kingdon Of Heaven styles to work well with them. 13th warrior is pretty nice, too. I actually liked the KoH scene where Balian is taught to fight from a high guard - That mirrors several medieval fight styles with that kind of weapon.
Grimacing is just to be dramatic, as is Arnie's slow style of wielding them. But against the deft agility and precision thrusts of a Rapier, Broadswords use power and brutality to hack the opponent apart.


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I'm wondering if they wanted to showcase Jason's athletic abilty "Look, he can do this and this, let's put it in!" rather than pure swordsmanship
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I'd agree with that!

I've not seen Ronon Dex or the kingy dude in Game of Thrones (links if you have any, please), but I do recall lots of gay eyeliner... Incidentally, rather than having Conan's 'fierce visage', Momoa actually looks gay whenever he smiles at his pirate friend :lol:

Jason is too lanky to be Conan. he needs more muscle, more definition and broader shoulders. He waves like a willow when he walks.
Dolph would have been a great Conan, I think... Punisher-Black hair, much better build, obvious martial skill and he has the intelligence (degree in chemical engineering I think (yes, I'm a fan of his work, too) ).

Not sold by his He-Man swordplay so much, but then it was as cheap and heavy a lump of solid metal as the 80's Conan sword, so I'd expect proper training with a proper sword would soon sort that out!

LotR had some good swordplay in it, mainly from the humans, but also some cringing moves. It has indeed brought the genre into coolness though and we may now get good(ish) remakes of 'bad' movies like The Sword & The Sorcerer!

TBH, I don't care so much about the plots of Conan, so long as they are as plausible as the books and have the same feel. Changing bits to fit with the very different medium of film is forgivable, so long as the new stuff works. LotR did it, Girl With The Dragon Tattoo did it, Bourne did it, Conan did it.
Arnie lines are as quotable as his co-stars' and teh films create enough of a feel to be engaging. 2011 is more just a visual show-off, I think, with no thought of what makes a good story.


I'm actually banned from watching certain films with my friends around as they know I'll likely get up on a soapbox about it :lol:
I did enjoy Captain America and Thor, strangely enough and feel they stand up well as films in their own right. But Conan 2011, Clash Of the Titans (2010?), The A-Team and several other remakey types are shoved firmly into my sin-bin for all eternity, I'm afraid.


Over to you... :wink:

Author:  Hollis DZC [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:48 pm ]
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Okay, now don't get me started on Errol Flynn... :mrgreen: My mom got me hooked on Flynn, and his Captain Blood has been defined as "the" pirate movie that begat all others - as a grand article in Pirates magazine states. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: While yes of course, fighting with rapiers is a whole different style of fighting than with broadswords, it's still some of the best movie fighting. And since we're talking about Errol Flynn, his performance of Robin Hood was what the Ranger character was based on in the original D&D- (from a long ago interview with Gary Gygax)

While I haven't watched Game of Thrones (read all the books though) here's a link to a fight that most liked -
The character is Khal Drogo, the Horselord-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAnfqbIbwfE

If you've never watched Stargate or Stargate Atlantis, this fight scene may seriously lack the impact it had for long running fans of the show, but it does show Jason's athletic ability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxgpYP2RHkM

Right or wrong, that's what the producers of Conan were capitalizing on. I think you would enjoy the character Ronon Dex very much.

Dolph would have been THE Conan of the Ages-

I honestly doubt that we will ever have a film that has superb swordplay, casting and script. Even 80% would be a tremendous "victory".

LotR has some stunning visuals, some good swordfighting and some "aww, c'mon!!" moments. But, it's the best of what Hollywood will ever make. I look forward to the Hobbit, with all the Dwarves, they have to devote some time to proper axe work!

I used to fight in the SCA, with a "broadsword", but mostly with a double-bladed axe. That, was some fun stuff! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Conan movie(little to no spoilers)

I do understand Flynn had great skill and entertainment value. But I find most stage-fighting is very unrealistic. To be fair, it has to be - Real fighting moves are nowhere near as dynamic or dramatic and a proper fight scene would be over in seconds. That's why the long choreographed Eastern styles are more popular.
I actually liked Taken for that very reason - BANG in the head, bad guy is dead. Move on to the next one. No long, drawn-out shoot-outs here (aside from the end bad guy, which was a bit pants). Just a trained shooter, going through as he ought to.

When you watch a clearly choroegraphed dance-fight, it just gets dull.

I guess it's like whenever you know anything in real life and they put it in a movie. I dread to think what some IT people are like when they show someone hacking into the CIA database!
"Yeah... sure, just type 'C:\hack\files\CIA' in your DOS prompt and you'll get a nice web-based file server page, where you just click on the top secret files (which are hosted on-line, of course) and download. If they ask you for a password, it's probably something obvious like Masterkey or Backdoor".


Cannot comment on vids right now as I'm at work. Will update after I get home tonight.

TBH, what I think Hollywood needs to move away from (and film makers in general) is the sensationalised, dramatic stuff and assuming the audience is stupid. If they have to explain every detail, the audience will assume they themselves are stupid and will stop thinking (or at least ask dumb questions on IMDB).
But as I mentioned, this stuff needs to be exciting and what we may consider entertaining swordplay will rarely be realistic.

I have learned to ignore much of this stuff in films, which is easier if they don't all use the same, tired old moves. The original Conan shows some better grounding in proper sword techniques but is still a pile of pants... yet it is easily ignored because the dialogue and plot are engaging enough. That's what matters to me more.


Heck, I didn't even pick up that it *was* Morgan Freeman and not Sam Jackson doing the voiceover. The original was so much better there, too!
"Between the time when the ooooceans drank Atlantis... and the riiiiise of the sons of Aryus...." :)


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