Hyde wrote:
Again apologies if this was taken the wrong way and has ruffled feather guys but it was all tongue in cheek humour
You have
nothing to apologize for. I fully well got the point you were making considering this was posted in the off topic section and not... you know... on the Ready Line as a serious thread.
Mike- I seem to recall you thinking that "Boob armour" (ala the female Stormtroopers with boobs) was a good idea at one time. I also recall that "I" was the one back then to go apeshit over the idea of Spat producing "armour with tits."
Dom,
I understand how important all of this is to you. It is important (to a degree) to me as well. I don't like the idea of "parody" costumes
in the parade.EU is fine, alternative camo (Polish, Safariflage, Woodland, desert DPM, or even Walmart camo) is fine, so long as it is done in the same vein of the uniforms seen in the film. "I" wouldn't want to see someone in HALO armour with full helmet in USCM camo colours- although it might look cool, it just "isn't us."
The problem here is that while you feel very strongly about this, you went about conveying your feelings to us backwards.
There is nothing wrong with "not" liking this camo pattern, and there is nothing wrong with feeling very protective about the appearance of the group...
The problem is that instead of saying "Well I don't like it, but as long as no one plans on wearing it in the parade or something" (even ^"this"^ would probably have gotten someone's back up against the wall)...
You went straight for the jugular with "Wear THAT and I QUIT.
" (And in no uncertain terms, mean you are 100% dead serious)
This got "our" backs up against the wall because it makes everyone who thinks this is a cute funny thread look like an asshole. It also is a big scary heads up to anyone who "might" consider wearing it in the parade (because they think it is "cool" and not because they plan of purposefully disrupting the group).
"I" know that you would be 100% serious about walking, however the comment was unnecessary because this was just done in fun/jest. Which is why I felt you needed to "lighten up." Not because I "wasn't" taking you seriously, but because you were taking this "too" seriously.
Here's what I think:
Having been here a long time I have watched this place morph from a prop/archive board to a costuming group. I have also seen the slide from essentially all SA (or as close as possible) costumes, to EU and the like.
As a result, some members of the community have moved on because whatever this place has become (it used to be props/wardrobe display and not so much costuming itself), was no long appealing to them. That is unfortunate (and I say this without ANY sarcasm).
There were members who thought that "only" SA costuming were acceptable (and just to say it, I'm not talking about Mike here). However when they made their opinion known publicly, the "if you don't do it SA, you are a disservice to the community" opinion was met with nothing but backlash.
Nobody likes to be told they are an asshole for just wanting to do something they enjoy/think is fun.
When I was creating the Dress Blues uniform "I" got my back up against the wall more than a few times (and I do recall stating I would drop out of the project if the uniform went in a particular direction I didn't like). In the end I compromised (a little
) and got over it. That was over 5 years ago.
A couple of years later I saw pics from D-Con of various "Dress Blues" and the variations (away) from the concept I along with a few others came up with. And basically I bit my tongue "not" even saying "well that's not really my thing", because NOBODY likes to be told what they have done is looked upon negatively. That was three years ago.
"Today" I see variations of Service C uniforms, and I have no problem with it what so ever. I have no negative feelings, because the variations are done with no malice in the person's heart. Someone putting together a costume that may not necessarily be "my thing" is not automatically meant as a personal attack against me.
My point is that there comes a time when you "can" take this too seriously, and you either have to take a step back and ease up a bit, or move on.
And just to say it (in case my point is taken the wrong way), I
don't want to see you move on Dom.
But "this" situation has been blown way out of proportion. A "joke" posted in the "off topic" section has been taken as a serious threat to the "appearance" of our group in the eyes of... the public? Really?
There are those who think we should not be emulating the real USMC with Dress Blues or even Service C uniforms. There are those who think that adults playing dress up (no matter how seriously you take it) is silly. We are always going to look bad to someone despite our best efforts. Should we all quit what we love to do because of this?
Of course not!
Nor should we "quit" because someone decided to post a joke thread in the off topic section.
Kevin
*edited for typos and clarity*
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