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Author:	Treadwell [ Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:19 pm ]
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I have: Thompson Phil S steel buttstock, vents, etc springer Spas cage & grip mnoble mag base (I also have a "Wakal" kit w/ styrene vacced shroud but I don't think it will come together well without a lot of shimming, etc) I could get Matsuo's $200 shroud and build it up myself, either getting tommin's barrel adapter or using Rook's method... ...OR, I could spend another $160 or so and get the G&P kit and save a lot of work, plus have a counter. Mind you, I'd probably put in the work to retrofit the Phil S steel parts anyway. What would YOU do?

Author:	friendlyskies [ Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:37 pm ]
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I have pretty much all the same parts you do mate. I started with a TM airsoft Thompson and the G&P kit. Then I bought the Vents/Triangle/front block/Stock from Phil S. and a real SPAS cage/grip Because the counter from the G&P kit only counts down by actually firing BB's out of it I needed to keep the lightgate functional. The problem is that this was originally housed in the front triangle on the G&P kit. However, DATA has since made a system for attaching the Thompson to the Spas cage which also allows for the lightgate to be kept and also now hidden inside the shrouds. He also has detailed drawings of modifying all the PHil S parts and came up with a nice stock locking mechanism similar to Rook's. He has offered to send these drawings to people who want them BTW, should be very useful for you. You can see some of the work done in this thread here http://forum.alienslegacy.com/viewtopic.php?t=2321&highlight=data+mod All of this was done with the G&P shrouds in mind though. I am a big fan of the G&P shrouds, despite the little inaccuracy at the back end as they are pretty damn sturdy and a great flush fit with each other. So to sum up, I would get the G&P shrouds Cheers Darren

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DATA [ Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:55 pm ]

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Here are my Autocad drawings of the Maurzen M870 mod's.

Cheer's Steven

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M41-A Pulse Rifle M870 shotgun Trigger guard and G&P Plate Drawing.JPG [ 90.93 KiB | Viewed 4839 times ]

M41-A Pulse Rifle M870 shotgun Cocking Ring, Screw Pins, Plate, Spring, Ranking arm's, Spacers Drawing.JPG [ 147.38 KiB | Viewed 4821 times ]

M41-A Pulse Rifle M870 shotgun body new pipe rount Drawing.JPG [ 85.48 KiB | Viewed 4821 times ]

M41-A Pulse Rifle M870 shotgun Body Mod's Drawing.JPG [ 112.46 KiB | Viewed 4816 times ]

M41-A Pulse Rifle M870 shotgun barrle (outer & inner) with shell tube Drawing.JPG [ 128.43 KiB | Viewed 4820 times ]

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DATA [ Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:59 pm ]

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Here are the drawings of the S.P.A.S grip with the plate

And

Phil S stock with my cut outs.

Cheer's Steven Pasek

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Phil S Stock 1-1 scale drawing.JPG [ 71.41 KiB | Viewed 4815 times ]

Phil S stock with measurments drawing.JPG [ 148.16 KiB | Viewed 4821 times ]

S.P.A.S grip and plate..JPG [ 62.4 KiB | Viewed 4814 times ]

Author:	DATA [ Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:01 pm ]
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Will add more at a later date once I put my drawings in to a Paint format and when I got time. But more will come. Cheer's Steven

Author:	Russ Krook III [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:09 am ]
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How did you retain the front airsoft barrel mount point (inside the outer barrel)? Did you just cut the original one down and feed it into the cut down outer barrel, or did you make something from scratch? That's one aspect I was never able to figure out. Russ

Author:	Noble [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:12 am ]
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I'd recommend the G+P kit, cause it is the strongest shrouds and they align perfectly together. The vac kits are difficult to match up and get a consistant seam. I modded my G+P with SD parts, and I'm happy with the results.

Author:	tommin [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:16 am ]
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mnoble2 wrote: I'd recommend the G+P kit, cause it is the strongest shrouds and they align perfectly together. The vac kits are difficult to match up and get a consistant seam. I modded my G+P with SD parts, and I'm happy with the results. I am soo going to comment on this one later. Matt, nothing against you, bud.

Author:	Sidewinder [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:53 am ]
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Big thanks for the drawings Steven, straight in my 'Aliens file' they go! SAS

Author:	DATA [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:52 pm ]
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"How did you retain the front airsoft barrel mount point (inside the outer barrel)? Did you just cut the original one down and feed it into the cut down outer barrel, or did you make something from scratch? That's one aspect I was never able to figure out. Russ " Hello Russ. I made a new one out of black nylon. I got a lathe and turn, drill, bore and part off. Easy!!! Cheer's Steven

Author:	BurntKona [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:49 pm ]
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II'll be going with Matsu's shrouds for my hero build, which will be pretty much like Darren's build, but I can't justify buying a G+P kit just for the shrouds. Of course, if we ever get someone producing beaten aluminium shrouds... I think I'll be making a few trips to Steven's to call on his engineering skills I think

Author:	Treadwell [ Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:46 pm ]
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Welp, we have opinions on both counts here, so I remain torn. :lol Thanks for the advice!

Author:	JediFraz [ Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:21 am ]
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Since the GnP shrouds are an expensive option for a single part.. Matt, What's the feasibility of making Acurate printed shrouds.?

Author:	Noble [ Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:55 pm ]
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Printed shrouds would be too expensive. They have larger machines that could print one whole shroud half though. I just recommend the G+P, if your going to skirmish with it. With that said, you still have to address the weak stock and mag bottom. Plus the G+P spas cage and pump are much better than the cheap airsoft one. (At least paint the cage though) But if you are just into costuming + display, I'd go with the Matsuo shrouds. Just my two cents.

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