Looks like you guys might need to re-arm yourselves...

I may set up a 'sharp stick' shop

Seriously, I'm sorry to hear this is causing you guys so many problems. It sucks, but I can see why the laws have been put in place.

Not everyone is as smart about handling RIF/IF's as you guys (notifying local law enforcement, general safety, etc.) and also they're not always as noble in their intentions.

It's not the law's fault: at the end of the day it's the usual story of a couple of wankers ruining it for the rest of us.

PP x.

^^^

I heard that...


(P.S. - There's probably an obscure law preventing the manufacture of sharp sticks, too... If not yet, there will be soon, given the current trend.)

So, what's the difference between a RIF and an IF?

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Hypothetically speaking.. And this is for imformation only..

1. Under the new law is is not illegal to own a RIF/IF you already have. Just obtaining/manufacturing new ones unless you can prove your a skirmisher. (Over 18, UKARA registered)

2. The entry in the UKARA database expires after a year if it isn't queried. This is to prevent lifetime membership. After the year your membership expires and you can't buy/import anything else. See Rule 1.

Why not try skirmishing, get your UKARA number. Buy the bits you need. Legally assemble your pulse rifle or whatever then.

If you don't like airsoft.. Fine, dont continue. Anything you have bought or made remains yours. All legal.

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STEVENSON F.
A11/TQ0.0.82148E1

"You are not your Drop Count."

Basically, a RIF is something 'firearm shaped' that is realistically coloured, an IF is something 'firearm shaped' that is at least 51% Home Office approved colours, like bright yellow etc.

Me neither but the Home Office says we're irrelevant - despite the fact that we're a far older (and, debatably 'safer') interest group than skirmishers...
 

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Airsofters are all psychotic, and they smell funny!

The fact is, skirmishers got their collective rear in gear and made a loud enough noise to get an exemption, prop collectors did not...

Luckily I'm both.

As for the prop-collectors being 'safer' than 'skirmishers' debate, I've seen equally diabolical, dangerous and threatening weapons handling skills on both sides.

Well honestly if I was a police officer... I'd rather the bad guys have replica guns than real guns.

Seriously though- here in Canada replica firearms have been banned since 1998. Much like what JediFraz explained- it is legal to own any you obtained before 1998, but they are yours to keep. You may not sell, trade or even give them away. I believe if you no longer want to keep them they must be taken to a police station for proper disposal (I wonder how that would go- walking into a copshop with bag of replica guns! ).

Importation is illegal- even leaving Canada's borders with a replica that you own, you would not be allowed to bring it back into the country. You are also not allowed to import "components" to produce a replica firearm; which I myself was nailed with in 2006. Fortunately all that it entailed was a seizure of the parts (it was an airsoft Thompson by the way). I would imagine I'm on some Customs Redflag list somewhere- and a repeat offence would mean a fine or even jail time.

Brightly coloured paint does not count here. For a gun-like object to not be considered a replica it must be made of clear plastic, or noticably undersized, or obviously a child's toy. Honestly those VPs that Dom sells... I don't know how they made it into this country.

Sorry to ramble everyone- just wanted to say I know what you're going through.

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two things to consider.

1- Wallmart Canada exclusive. you need to remember that Wallmart is a fucking big company that doesn't believe in law and order as long as they can benefit.

2- they changed the models 5 times in the last 2 years, from all black to all orange with some alterations. I believe they did so in order to follow new requests from government officials.


But, still, it is a LOT more complexe here then in the UK... I still haven't got myself a P90 for my offworld outfit, and can't figure out how I'm supposed to get anything PR.

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What are the rules about forming a airsoft/ skirmishing club, could not form one as a spin of to the UKCM or Aliens Legacy...not as a way to get around the law but as a way of meeting up in between drops...? or has this been talked about before?

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1st Batt. 69th Regiment,
Homers Hero's..
Drops so Far.... 29 and counting

you would have to have a site and suitable liability insurance this is not a cheap alternative.
I am an airsofter first and an appreciator of pulse rifles second I know this is a small forum but it is dangerous to talk about ways to get round the bill. The expectation airsofters have can be taken away at any point for any reason. if you want a pulse rifle either start airsofting or join a reenactment group.

I'd go with airsofting it is brilliant fun. better than paint balling any day.

I don't think anyone was talking about getting around the law... i was just asking in my first post, if the information i found on the web was right, as i thought it was a loophole, i was under the impression that you had to be a memember of a airsoft club to buy a airsoft nowadays........i thought it would be a good idea to start a airsoft group so we could meet up more often....

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1st Batt. 69th Regiment,
Homers Hero's..
Drops so Far.... 29 and counting

It's a good idea, but it would need a fixed piece if land as a site to get H&S assessed, then insured which I gather can cost a grand a year upwards.

Would be an excellent excuse to get together, but you'd need a lot of contributors to pay for it. Reverend Scapegoat runs a site, he might be able to answer specific question as to whether it's feasible or not.

An important point:
You do NOT actually need to be a member of a UKARA-approved skirmish site to avail yourself of the specific defence laid out in the VCRB for airsoft players.

However... If you were charged with possession of an illegal RIF you would have a hard job defending yourself if you weren't on the UKARa database, as UKARA were the folk who consulted with the government on the legislation.

I recommend getting yourself on there.


As for setting up a site - A legitimate skirmish site needs to be situated on land owned by or legally rented by the organisers.
It also needs to have a minimum level of public liability insurance ( About £800 per year, depending on what exactly you have covered. )

I'd be more than happy to have you lot up for three skirmishes, if you could all be arsed travelling up here three times over no less than two months

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Wasteland Workshop
Props, cosplay pieces, upcycled ornamentation, and miscellanea;
For the discerning survivor of the apocalypse.
Steve Fletcher : Maker, Scavenger, and Junksmith.
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Scapey saves the day.

 
I'm currently working with some knowledgeable people on a 'defence' for collectors - I'll keep you up to date.

[Edit] Just found out some... rather useful info. At the moment, it's looking very good for us collectors. I'm contacting two official 'organisations' on Monday and I'll see what they say.

Stay frosty - I'll sort this.
 

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Wildone, Whereabout do you skirmish?

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STEVENSON F.
A11/TQ0.0.82148E1

"You are not your Drop Count."

Any update on this yet Eagle?

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Martin 'Victim' Victory
A86/TQ3.4.49421E3
UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters


you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

 
I'm working on it daily in consultation with 'subject matter experts' and legal folk. Let's not go mental too soon though - but it's looking good.

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Not to derail, but this thread is NOT what I thought it would be about

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Rob Slater
A08/TQ2.0.42136E1

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Martin 'Victim' Victory
A86/TQ3.4.49421E3
UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters


you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

JediFraz play at the fort in fife

Really?
I normally skirmish at Scapeys site, Section 8.
It's possible I've bumped into you either at The Fort or at Airsoft World..

Your name wildone there as well?

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STEVENSON F.
A11/TQ0.0.82148E1

"You are not your Drop Count."

If I'm a betting man, we collectors shall be going to the ball!...

Briefing and tactical database assimilation this evening some time.
 

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