And this is why I now play an airsoft skirmish every month. UKARA membership, here I come.

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Weyland-Yutani: Their projects are intentionally full of bugs. Avoid!

But wouldn't it be better and much easier if we could all get UKARA membership, and be able to buy all the Aliens related airsofts, without having to skirmish?

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Martin 'Victim' Victory
A86/TQ3.4.49421E3
UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters


you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

But then, why call it the United Kingdom Airsoft Retailers Association? :p

Plus, it would defeat the purpose of the specific defence to the bill entirely, allowing anyone to buy RIFs.

Sorry, my statement was in relation to my earlier posts, re the UKCM (we) being a re-enactment society and possibly getting UKARA membership that way.

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Martin 'Victim' Victory
A86/TQ3.4.49421E3
UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters


you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

I believe Mantroon did look into the possibilities of the UKCM being registered in an exempt group (re-enactment or theatre) before the VCR bill came into effect.

The answer from the Home Office was "No".

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Weyland-Yutani: Their projects are intentionally full of bugs. Avoid!

Sorry Martin, misunderstood you there.

Yeah, getting re (pre?) enactment status as an organisation would be most excellent for those who can't / wont skirmish, but I'm sure someone looked into this before and got turned down by the major insurers...

I think with regards to the VCRA and re-enactment, to be covered you have to be a group registered with certain established re-enactment governing groups, and that's before you even get insurance. Being a re-enactor also wont get you UKARA cover, that's a different part of the Act.

You can't just form a group, get it insured and call it a re-enactment group for the purposes of gaining an exemption to the VCRA. I could be wrong, as I'm not involved in re-enactment, but I could swear it's come up before now and been beaten down, unfortunately.

I'm going to be crude; this particular piece of legislation blows goats.

Re-enactment got shot down because we don't re-enact any part of history.

Theatre group got shot down as we don't have a set performance.

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Weyland-Yutani: Their projects are intentionally full of bugs. Avoid!

In a word?

pwned...

Oh well, looks like we're well and truly stuffed then.

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Martin 'Victim' Victory
A86/TQ3.4.49421E3
UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters


you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

Pretty much. Not enough noise was made in time.

Then again, even if we had, the Home Office (Ho) see our appreciation of movie prop firearms (and our will to collect them) as 'unjustifiable'...
 

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"Everybody online... lookin' good".
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So back to my question i can buy a airsoft without being a memember of a airsoft club if it painted bright colours..? looking at the pictures most airsofts re-painted bright colours , they tend to paint the stock and front grip...so on a Thompson these would be 2 parts that you have to remove to build a PR....

its been a interesting debate here guys..interesting though i read somewhere the underworld can buy a real gun for less than it costs to buy a air soft.... go figure

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Pfc Glenn Allen ,
1st Batt. 69th Regiment,
Homers Hero's..
Drops so Far.... 29 and counting

Haven't found a two-tone Thompson yet, but I imagine it would be the wooden furniture painted up.

I think at the mo that some/most? are painted by the retailers, so could be worth asking them.

Hopefull the manufacturers will eventually make them all in two-tone for the British market.

I've always wanted a fluorescent pink Spas anyway.

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Martin 'Victim' Victory
A86/TQ3.4.49421E3
UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters


you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

lots of the airsoft shops will paint any gun you want for a fee. my local shop airsoft world charges £15. But you still can't convert it to a pulse rifle with being registered at a site.

Why not?

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Martin 'Victim' Victory
A86/TQ3.4.49421E3
UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters


you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

yes without. because it would still be classed as manufacturing an RIF and unless your covered under the defense that a big no no.

 
Who's going to know, ffs?...

Bleedin' Nanny State.

A Pulse Rifle wouldn't be classified as a Replica Imitation Firearm anyway.
 

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Ah, but it is, under UK law...

It's ball busting stuff isn't it. If I had the means I'd be shot of this hell hole island. But then, it's not that much better anywhere else!

As Alan Moore so succinctly put it, '...it's cold, mean spirited, and I don't like it here any more...', or words to that effect.

Maybe no-one but as it's a criminal and not a civil offence. If you get it wrong your talking jail time and a fine. I think it's a pretty hefty one too.

As for an imitation firearm, If you walk down the street brandishing a pulse rifle.. The armed response team *will* be called.
Although you're correct in saying a pulse rifle isn't a real world gun, it does look like it could be to the uninitiated. i.e the General public, even some police officers.

Oh and just for kicks. Since it is a criminal offence, talking on an UK-hosted internet forum on how to bypass a UK law would make everyone who contributes a potential accessory.
That's if they wanted to throw the book at you.

Paranoid much yet?

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STEVENSON F.
A11/TQ0.0.82148E1

"You are not your Drop Count."

Fixed.

That's my feelings too, but that's not going to happen.

1. I don't want to be a skirmisher. I have no interest in doing any such pastime, like paintballing and the like.

2. I have an interest in the film Aliens, directed by James Cameron.

Number 1 seems to be stopping me fully participating in number 2, and I'm not happy about it.

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Steve
Corporal in 69th Regt. 1st Batt. Homer’s Heroes.

"I'd like to die at the age of 80 in my own bed, with a belly full of wine and a girl's mouth around my c**k."

Interesting when i had the police at my home a few weeks back they said that what we did , we could be classed as a Film group...so it seems it depends on which Police Force you talk to, so the whole thing is a grey area of what we do....can we form a airsoft group? or would it cost to much to do?

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Pfc Glenn Allen ,
1st Batt. 69th Regiment,
Homers Hero's..
Drops so Far.... 29 and counting

this has been discussed to death on a lot of airsoft forums and what we have found that a lot of the government bodies (police, customs)are unaware of the law and the exact terms of it but this will be changing.

The Home Office have told 'troon that we don't count... And apparently the HO are in charge of the old bill... So we're royally screwed from that angle I think. Please, please, please somebody prove me wrong!

I think us forming a 'skirmishing' group with no intention of skirmishing and every intention of using the group to avail ourselves of the specific defence would be undermining the Act and somewhat like waving a red flag at a bull as far as anti-firearms groups and the Police go...

Why not go skirmishing? im not a expert on this but i think there is a number of times you have to meet a year, we could fit it in when not doing drops?

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Pfc Glenn Allen ,
1st Batt. 69th Regiment,
Homers Hero's..
Drops so Far.... 29 and counting

I skirmish myself, so I've got no issues with the VCRA, other than the fact it's a ludicrous way to police RIFs / IFs.

As long as you skirmish at least three times in more than two months, you're elegible for UKARA membership... Individual sites membership schemes vary between sites, but membership of a skirmishing site with public liability insurance is the only thing that's required by the Home Office to confirm your status as a 'skirmisher'. You don't specifically need to be a member of UKARA.