Tiger -- It sounds like a battery problem. You could amp-meter it to make sure it's juiced up correctly. And yes -- usually upgrades in GB's require upgrades to the battery pack, as the motor has to work harder and draw more juice. I don't know about the motor problem. Doesn't sound right. But Eagle Force motors and Systema motors are skunked (have trick winding (??) of wires and other upgrades).

Sometimes -- it may be necessary to get a mag pouch that straps on to the stock to house hi-cap batteries. There are off-brands from Hong Kong, or you could go Eagle like I did with my M-4. Geeze, it's situations like these where I wish I could make more of those Toshiba F-6 packs to help you out
with the battery situation being that your SIG is rather compact.

But heck 360 fps on the chronometer -- hey that's quite okay. Fast enough, but not overwhelming. At that velocity you should be seeing a much flatter trajectory which is the point of this exercise. You did the right thing in upgrading the SIG -- as that is your best skirmishing weapon out of the Magnificent Triple Threat.

Somethings could be said about the dealer with the bugs and all after the mod's. But I've gone through the same type of bug fixes after modifying AS guns (and my cars as well) -- that kinda comes with the territory. You must be a little patient in working out the kinks. AND you must be a lil silly with the wallet sometimes, unfortunately.

May be Rook can give you more pointers as to what follow-ups at this juncture to get things working good.
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Tiger,

If there isn't enough amperage in the battery -- something like what you described could happen. I believe so -- yes. It's kinda like pushing a car that won't start. In single shot mode -- it's like pushing off with the first step from a dead stop. In full auto, once the motor kicks over it finds it easier to keep going. The fuse thing -- most mod guns I've seen don't run fuses. You could always replace the fuse with a heftier one.

Matter fact -- a very similar sounding thing happened with my M4. Course I put a crazy high power kit in the M4 that had it chrono'ed at way over 400 fps (450 or so) and though I had a 9.6 V 1700 Mah (respectable but not the most juice by today's standards), the first time I shot it after it was modified, the gun died on me. I was quite pissed at the dealer and went through a lot of trouble to bring it back to him, thinking that he did a crap job with the gear box mod..Then 5 minutes later he comes out with another battery attached to my gun and shot it in front of me, which immediately drew a small crowd of oooh-ers & aaah-ers (mod. guns just sound plain mean!). The problem was that my battery was under charged.

I was very red to say the least.

About the weight thing -- may be it's time you think about detaching that GL, at least for when you don't really need it.

I would reconsider a nicely concealed butt-stock pouch and pack. They really don't look that bad or get in the way. And they work great! I mean -- you got to make compromises you know. The SIG is a nice folder carbine, but there's not much trunk space in a Porsche either.
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...For he today that sheds his blood with me
shall be my brother."Edited by: [url=http://pub217.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=menatarms>MENATARMS[/url] at: 2/29/04 12:16 pm

Some skirmishers use these things to hold their battery pack. Check it out. This is a fake IR laser unit known as the AN/PAQ4. This one is made by G&P. So, here is one solution to having to add a bulky after market battery pack.

The other solution that guys have used involves the fake double mag that are clipped together -- where the second mag would house the battery. But this would have to be a custom job I think, unless Tiger that they made something like that for the SIG. (I forget whether it comes std. with a double mag).

Any event -- the issue with the using bigger battery is met and solved by those who play mod. guns all the time, Tiger. Hang in there and solve it so you can get the use out of your mod.

Also, could the standard battery hold enough for your mod. and may just not be fully/efficiently charged. Because M120 at 350-360 is not so powerful that the mod. is a battery hog.
See if there's a peak charger at the shop and use it on your battery to eliminate this possibility (if you don't already have a peak charger).




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"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...For he today that sheds his blood with me
shall be my brother."Edited by: [url=http://pub217.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=menatarms>MENATARMS[/url] at: 2/29/04 1:14 pm

My stock EG-MAX Hyper 1000 was replaced with a Systema Medium Type (Y4,700). The battery (as noted) is stock and no upgrade is available that will fit inside the SIG 552, which you already know MAA.

The dealer said that my GB upgrade should work fine with the stock battery, but I would run out of juice faster. I think your right MAA, and a more powerful battery is needed. I really don’t want to go the route of adding an exterior pack, since my SIG already weighs as much as an MI Abrams tank now. This is no joke either. If I were to drop this gun on my foot it would probably break a toe.

If too much juice is being demanded of an underpowered battery, is it possible that it would stop firing in Semi-mode and start working again when switched to Full Auto and then blow out a fuse?

Hi Rook:

Yeah, my upgrade included the Bushings/bearings spring and gears. The guy who I watched assemble my gun was not very confident doing a SIG. I watched in silent horror as I witnessed the removal of 10 million screws from my gun. I made the mistake of asking the guy if he ever forgot to put some screws back. His response was HELL YEAH! Oh boy that went over like a fart in the wind..

I dropped off my gun again today and another guy is going to tear it apart to check for proper assembly etc. I should know more tomorrow night.

Maybe the gun is jamming in Semi-mode and over loads the battery causing it to blow the fuse. The dealer still feels confidant that the stock battery should provide enough power with a reasonable life span.


TiGeR
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Did they tell you exactly what they installed in your gun?

I mean, part numbers and the like?

I HOPE for $125 they gave you uprated gears and bearings at the very least.

I think it was RedWolf a few years ago who were charging for upgrades and just installing higher power springs, and not doing any of the other mandatory upgrades.

In MY experince, you can run a hotter spring (say a Systema M100, which pushes you to about 350fps) with OEM gears as long as you install oiless metal bushings, or bearings.

If you run with bushings, you're going to lose a little ROF, but you won't run the rish of having one of your OEM plastic bushings deform from supporting a gear that's pushing a stronger spring, which in turn will result in buying new gears.

Ideally, when you upgrade it should be in this sort of order:

Bushings/bearings
spring
gears

and THEN you get into odd things like polycarb pistons, "silent" piston heads, etc.

And don't forget a better battery too.

See, it's like a boat or a new car. Pretty soon you have a gun that cost you $2K and the wifey says, "You spent HOW MUCH on that???"



Rook

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It's been my experience the amount of mechanically inclined folks in the States are quite high when comparing to say any country in Asia. Enough said about weekend warriors on mowing lawns, changing motor oils, installing new toilets, and trips to Home Depot.

However, the amount of technical people with regards to Airsoft guns per capita when compared to say Hong Kong it's going to be decisively in favor of Hong Kong. These guys have been exposed to AS for over 20 years.

Now, AS mechanism by comparison to say automotive mechanics is going to be child's play. But exerience is going to make the monumental difference.

Tiger from what you described -- I would definitely double check to see if every part was installed and put back correctly. You may also want to check around your area for alternate shops who do good work Airsoft-wise.



"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...For he today that sheds his blood with me
shall be my brother."Edited by: [url=http://pub217.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=menatarms>MENATARMS[/url] at: 3/1/04 11:27 pm

Hey guys… Looks like I’m adding an external battery. The AS dealer said I blew the fuse because the battery was too drained to provide enough power. They also said that I would only get about 440 shots per battery (that sucks). Then they cautioned me about piston jam-ups, i.e., when the internal piston does not fully cock backwards due to a weakend battery state. What really blew wads was when they told me that I would need a higher voltage battery to un-jam it.. SAY WHAT! Geeezzzz, is there anything else I should know?

What the hell, I didn’t upgrade the gears to play tic-tac-toe anyways (LOL). I had the dealer set me up with a sufficient battery and stock pouch. I also took a good hard look at those laser housings MAA. The only problem I had with them is there bulky look when mounted to the front of the gun.

I have some custom wiring I still need to do before testing my gun with the higher cap battery. I might need to drill a few holes here and there. Scratches here I come……………

The dealer suggested I use a 25 AMP fuse or better yet, just hardwire and toss the fuse altogether. Do you guys have any thoughts on this?


TiGeR

Edited by: [url=http://pub217.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=mag7tigerclaw>MAG7 Tiger Claw[/url] at: 3/2/04 9:17 pm

Yes. 8-6 the fuse. No one runs fuses (that I know of).
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...For he today that sheds his blood with me
shall be my brother."Edited by: [url=http://pub217.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=menatarms>MENATARMS[/url] at: 3/2/04 11:50 pm

Yes, get a bandoleer.....and put batteries on it....

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BTW, you should never run a battery till it's almost drained. Once the ROF starts to slow down, you should consider that like the Empty line on the gas guage of a car. Different sized batteries have different ROF slow down rates. Smaller batteries slow down faster than larger batteries. Once you have a significantly slower ROF, consider that time to either switch batteries, or switch to a side arm. Also make sure to fully discharge the battery at the end of the day. It makes the battery last longer and allows for a fuller, more thorough charge later on. Some battery chargers have a discharge setting. If not, you can either buy a discharger, or rig something to a bulb so that you can visually see the discharge.

A large 2000mah battery should last most people a day of skirmishing.

And no one that I know of uses the fuse.

-Alex


"The M41-A. When you absolutely, positively have to kill every mofo in the room. Accept no substitutes."

heh, when I upgraded my PR I blew that wimpy fuse in one second flat. Quick and dirty tip: Pull the fuse clips from the plastic fuse holder, nest one clip inside the other and then wrap with electrical tape. No solder required.

Disclaimer: Do this at your own risk. Not responsibe for you burning down your apartment building. Actual mileage may vary. Common symptoms include vomiting.

Rook

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