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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:06 pm 
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interesting, anything us collectors can do?

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Good luck Eagle, anything that sends a huge middle finger to the nanny state and be-seen-to-be-doing-something laws gets my backing.


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Middle finger duly raised: http://forum.alienslegacy.com/viewtopic.php?t=4037
 

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http://www.airsoftscotland.com/acatalog ... Guns_.html

Another bright gun site. I wonder if those would be okay in Canada?

Also, I wonder if painting 50% or a resin replica pistol or rifle would make it legal for import into the UK?

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Needs to be 51% to comply with UK IF laws... :)
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But yeah, if it was 51% or more coloured in one of the 'HO approved colours'*, it'd be perfectly legal for anyone over 18 to import, sell or manufacture.

* - I'm damned if I can remember what those are, or where they're listed... *googles*


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Another bright gun site. I wonder if those would be okay in Canada?


Nope. Brightly coloured paint does not exclude something from being classified as a replica firearm here.

If it resembles a real firearm (as oppossed to a child's toy- made up gun), then it must be noticably undersized, and/or with the receiver/frame made of clear plastic.

Although the law here allows for gun "collectors" to import replica firearms for display purposes- this is for existing collectors who have been doing it for years and years before the law came into effect. You can't just declare yourself a collector and start importing prohibited devices into the country.

The only other defence here is that the item is for use in the movie/entertainment industry. So if I were to attempt to import a replica, it would automatically be seized by customs and I would receive a letter stating what my options are (I've been through this by the way).

2 options are to either send it back to it's point of origin, or allow Customs Canada to dispose of it (it gets destroyed).

The third is to appeal the seizure- at which time you provide the necessary documentation supporting your defence of the item either being for a legitimate longterm collector or the movies. It goes before a high ranking offical at the Canadian Firearms Center of Canada... who will not allow any precedence to be set beyond what has already been established.

There are websites that sell airsoft in Canada- but they have most likely obtained the "movie use" documents ($$$$). As a result, a $200 dollar AEG is sold on average for $600 here.

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Oh well, that strikes Canada of my emigration list. :)


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They may not have cheap guns... but they do have free healthcare!

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Kevin would you happen to know what it requires to be considered a collector?

I think several scifi/costumers would be interested in that venue, as a M41a is more of a collector's item then a firearm anyway...

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Kevin would you happen to know what it requires to be considered a collector?


No clue. Honestly it's been awhile- I think what I was describing kinda falls under the possesion of prohibited weapons (not necessarily replicas).

Did some searching- this is the easiest information I could find:

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/factsheets/replica_e.asp

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As an individual, you may keep any replicas that you owned on December 1, 1998. You do not need a licence to possess a replica firearm and it does not have to be registered. However, you cannot acquire, make or import a replica firearm. If you take a replica firearm out of Canada, you cannot bring it back in.

If you are a business, you may possess, acquire or import replica firearms only if you have a valid Firearms Business Licence that allows you to possess prohibited device for an approved purpose.


The "approved purpose" is almost always described as having something to do with the movie/television/entertainment industry.

If anyone wishes to pursue a way of legally obtaining replica firearms in Canada similar to what our UK Brothers are attempting, we should start our own thread.

But truthfully I personally would find it to be an enormously frustrating waste of time. I might keep tabs and offer input, but I will not be actively involved.

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Ok what about buying replacement parts? im wonder how that works if i badly damage my PR and need to replace parts on it? can i buy the parts i want from a shop without being a member of a airsoft club?

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You sure can.


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Surely that's another grey* area?

You could buy almost a whole weapon (due to original one being severely damaged).

e.g. Buy all parts of a PR except the stock, handgrip and shroud. Would that still be legal?


*Edit: I've been on here too long; I originally typed gray. :roll: :D

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you could buy all the parts to make an RIF legally. But if you put them together without being covered by one of the defenses you are guilty of constructing a RIF. So if you already own a PR you can buy parts to repair a PR no problem.

Big but IF you have a Static PR you could not convert it to an airsoft one


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Actually, you could convert it to an Airsoft one simply by modifying it to accept Airsoft internals. No new 'gun shaped object' has been manufactured, you've simply changed the use of the existing one.

PVB, you could buy as many parts and accessories as you like legally, enough to make ten new 'gun shaped objects'. You only break the law if you put them together to actually create a RIF / IF.

And now for something completely different: You're technically breaking the law by downloading the papercraft PR and putting it together. Lunacy eh? :)


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And now for something completely different: You're technically breaking the law by downloading the papercraft PR and putting it together. Lunacy eh? :)


I would LOVE for one of you guys to get arrested for that one! Think of how STUPID that law would look on the national news after a stunt like that! :D

"Man arrested for making paper sci-fi gun..."

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With our police more than likey....' man shot for carrying paper sci- fi gun' :(

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With our police more than likey....' man shot for carrying paper sci- fi gun' :(

I wouldn't blame them. Anyone carrying anything that looks at first glance like a firearm, regardless of it's construction, deserves all they get.

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With our police more than likey....' man shot for carrying paper sci- fi gun' :(

I wouldn't blame them. Anyone carrying anything that looks at first glance like a firearm, regardless of it's construction, deserves all they get.

Or not actually carrying any weapon-shaped object of any kind and still get shot. :wink:

Here endeth the lesson. :)

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If armed police tell me to do something. Im damned sure that I'll do it...:)

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If armed police tell me to do something. Im damned sure that I'll do it...:)

Down on the ground? Sure no problem..


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