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 Post subject: Upgrading the guns power? And a question about the mags.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:34 pm 
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I'm sure it's possible but I've no idea where to even begin, I see people talking about replacing the gearbox and such, does that increase the FPS/range/accuracy? Is it easy to do?

Also with the magazines, how many BBs exactly can be loaded when you spin the cog at the bottom? And how can you tell when to stop spinning it? I don't seem to feel any difference in force with it, they just spin on and on.

Also, sticking the mag into the magwell is a pain in the arse because the rail is so deep - has anyone made any 3d-printed parts you can buy or *anything* to help with aligning the mag for easier insertion?

Thanks in advance.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:32 am 

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paradoxum wrote:
I'm sure it's possible but I've no idea where to even begin, I see people talking about replacing the gearbox and such, does that increase the FPS/range/accuracy? Is it easy to do?

Also with the magazines, how many BBs exactly can be loaded when you spin the cog at the bottom? And how can you tell when to stop spinning it? I don't seem to feel any difference in force with it, they just spin on and on.

Also, sticking the mag into the magwell is a pain in the arse because the rail is so deep - has anyone made any 3d-printed parts you can buy or *anything* to help with aligning the mag for easier insertion?

Thanks in advance.




My PR started at the high 390s fps @.20 grams, with a Madbull Black Python 6.03 diameter, 300mm long tightbore inner barrel, and a Maple Leaf 70’ bucking w/flat hop, it got to 412; thats all without getting into the gearbox. I can be confident enough to hit guys at 200 feet with a few follow up shots. Hi caps will make a distinctive clicking noise when they are wound all the way.

Barrel, bucking, hop up, and BB weight/quality is mostly what makes an airsoft guns range and accuracy. The heavier the BB, the more kinetic force that it maintains through its travel, and less deviation to the target because of wind but the barrel velocity of a heavier shot is slower ( using the same fps). 350-400 fps is pretty good for the typical outdoors field skirmisher, I wouldnt go into the gearbox unless there is something wrong with it. The version 6 gearbox (what it comes with) is a tough little gearbox and tends to hold up better than equivalent version 2 gearboxes that go into M4’s.

I would recommend a higher quality motor though, as the factory one gets real hot if you shoot alot. Dont go gonzo on the motor though , as my 11.1v LiPo and 35k neo motor setup will go faster than my mags can keep up if I feed .30 - .32 gram BBs at full auto ( best rate of fire I got was 26 rps with .20s), unless you are using light bbs and fighting midrange.

I have a Gate Warfet Mosfet system, and I programed it to cut my ROF down with it so I can use heavy shot and not have feeding problems with full auto.

Taking the shroud apart on a Pulse Rifle is a royal pain, and I wouldnt recommend doing it lightheartedly, as there are a lot of bits that can go missing if you arent careful. Theres a reason why I own two, one is untouched and beautiful, and the other is a beast and has the outer wear to prove its not a garage queen.

One of the guys here did make a mag well guide, I think it was Stimpy.

The mag that comes with the gun holds 190-200 shots; King Arms makes 110 round Midcap (no winding) is the same length as the Thompsons 30 rounders and there are hi-caps (winding wheel on the bottom) that are 400 shots, but you either need to cut a hole in the bottom mag cover or remove it from the body.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:28 pm 
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paradoxum wrote:
I'm sure it's possible but I've no idea where to even begin, I see people talking about replacing the gearbox and such, does that increase the FPS/range/accuracy? Is it easy to do?

Also with the magazines, how many BBs exactly can be loaded when you spin the cog at the bottom? And how can you tell when to stop spinning it? I don't seem to feel any difference in force with it, they just spin on and on.

Also, sticking the mag into the magwell is a pain in the arse because the rail is so deep - has anyone made any 3d-printed parts you can buy or *anything* to help with aligning the mag for easier insertion?

Thanks in advance.




My PR started at the high 390s fps @.20 grams, with a Madbull Black Python 6.03 diameter, 300mm long tightbore inner barrel, and a Maple Leaf 70’ bucking w/flat hop, it got to 412; thats all without getting into the gearbox. I can be confident enough to hit guys at 200 feet with a few follow up shots. Hi caps will make a distinctive clicking noise when they are wound all the way.

Barrel, bucking, hop up, and BB weight/quality is mostly what makes an airsoft guns range and accuracy. The heavier the BB, the more kinetic force that it maintains through its travel, and less deviation to the target because of wind but the barrel velocity of a heavier shot is slower ( using the same fps). 350-400 fps is pretty good for the typical outdoors field skirmisher, I wouldnt go into the gearbox unless there is something wrong with it. The version 6 gearbox (what it comes with) is a tough little gearbox and tends to hold up better than equivalent version 2 gearboxes that go into M4’s.

I would recommend a higher quality motor though, as the factory one gets real hot if you shoot alot. Dont go gonzo on the motor though , as my 11.1v LiPo and 35k neo motor setup will go faster than my mags can keep up if I feed .30 - .32 gram BBs at full auto ( best rate of fire I got was 26 rps with .20s), unless you are using light bbs and fighting midrange.

I have a Gate Warfet Mosfet system, and I programed it to cut my ROF down with it so I can use heavy shot and not have feeding problems with full auto.

Taking the shroud apart on a Pulse Rifle is a royal pain, and I wouldnt recommend doing it lightheartedly, as there are a lot of bits that can go missing if you arent careful. Theres a reason why I own two, one is untouched and beautiful, and the other is a beast and has the outer wear to prove its not a garage queen.

One of the guys here did make a mag well guide, I think it was Stimpy.

The mag that comes with the gun holds 190-200 shots; King Arms makes 110 round Midcap (no winding) is the same length as the Thompsons 30 rounders and there are hi-caps (winding wheel on the bottom) that are 400 shots, but you either need to cut a hole in the bottom mag cover or remove it from the body.


Thanks for the detailed reply.

The BBs I've got right now are Swiss Arms Platinum Series 0.25g

Battery I have is a NUPROL 9.6v 1,600mah and it just barely fits in the battery casing, 11.1v lipo does that just make it last longer or have more 'punch' with each shot etc?
http://www.revrobotics.com/rev-21-1650/ is this the motor you're talking about?
Is replacing the motor as simple as just swapping it out with the current one and splicing the wires back together? I'm OK with a bit of light soldering / electrical work but seeing as how the gun cost me nearly £300 I'm hesitant to do anything with it, just like you I'd like to own two of them for that very reason.

"Gate Warfet Mosfet system , and I programed it to cut my ROF down with it so I can use heavy shot and not have feeding problems with full auto." sounds like pretty advanced stuff, do I really need to worry about something like that? Firing the gun as stock on full auto and it empties the mag in like 20 seconds anyway, absolutely tears to shreds the targets and is dead-on accurrate even with the very minimal 'sight' rail on top, once you fire your first shot you pretty much know exactly where the next one is going to hit, but then my yard isn't that big and the longest range I can get to a target is 20 feet.

Again thanks.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:34 pm 
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I have a G+P /Marui PR, so it has mag guide rails on both sides.

I offer a mag insert kit for the Matrix/Snow Wolf that keeps the mag and bottom together.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:38 pm 
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Noble wrote:
I have a G+P /Marui PR, so it has mag guide rails on both sides.

I offer a mag insert kit for the Matrix/Snow Wolf that keeps the mag and bottom together.


Oh nice, how much and do you ship to the UK? Definitely interested next payday.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:14 am 

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paradoxum wrote:
Whamhammer wrote:
paradoxum wrote:
I'm sure it's possible but I've no idea where to even begin, I see people talking about replacing the gearbox and such, does that increase the FPS/range/accuracy? Is it easy to do?

Also with the magazines, how many BBs exactly can be loaded when you spin the cog at the bottom? And how can you tell when to stop spinning it? I don't seem to feel any difference in force with it, they just spin on and on.

Also, sticking the mag into the magwell is a pain in the arse because the rail is so deep - has anyone made any 3d-printed parts you can buy or *anything* to help with aligning the mag for easier insertion?

Thanks in advance.




My PR started at the high 390s fps @.20 grams, with a Madbull Black Python 6.03 diameter, 300mm long tightbore inner barrel, and a Maple Leaf 70’ bucking w/flat hop, it got to 412; thats all without getting into the gearbox. I can be confident enough to hit guys at 200 feet with a few follow up shots. Hi caps will make a distinctive clicking noise when they are wound all the way.

Barrel, bucking, hop up, and BB weight/quality is mostly what makes an airsoft guns range and accuracy. The heavier the BB, the more kinetic force that it maintains through its travel, and less deviation to the target because of wind but the barrel velocity of a heavier shot is slower ( using the same fps). 350-400 fps is pretty good for the typical outdoors field skirmisher, I wouldnt go into the gearbox unless there is something wrong with it. The version 6 gearbox (what it comes with) is a tough little gearbox and tends to hold up better than equivalent version 2 gearboxes that go into M4’s.

I would recommend a higher quality motor though, as the factory one gets real hot if you shoot alot. Dont go gonzo on the motor though , as my 11.1v LiPo and 35k neo motor setup will go faster than my mags can keep up if I feed .30 - .32 gram BBs at full auto ( best rate of fire I got was 26 rps with .20s), unless you are using light bbs and fighting midrange.

I have a Gate Warfet Mosfet system, and I programed it to cut my ROF down with it so I can use heavy shot and not have feeding problems with full auto.

Taking the shroud apart on a Pulse Rifle is a royal pain, and I wouldnt recommend doing it lightheartedly, as there are a lot of bits that can go missing if you arent careful. Theres a reason why I own two, one is untouched and beautiful, and the other is a beast and has the outer wear to prove its not a garage queen.

One of the guys here did make a mag well guide, I think it was Stimpy.

The mag that comes with the gun holds 190-200 shots; King Arms makes 110 round Midcap (no winding) is the same length as the Thompsons 30 rounders and there are hi-caps (winding wheel on the bottom) that are 400 shots, but you either need to cut a hole in the bottom mag cover or remove it from the body.


Thanks for the detailed reply.

The BBs I've got right now are Swiss Arms Platinum Series 0.25g

Battery I have is a NUPROL 9.6v 1,600mah and it just barely fits in the battery casing, 11.1v lipo does that just make it last longer or have more 'punch' with each shot etc?
http://www.revrobotics.com/rev-21-1650/ is this the motor you're talking about?
Is replacing the motor as simple as just swapping it out with the current one and splicing the wires back together? I'm OK with a bit of light soldering / electrical work but seeing as how the gun cost me nearly £300 I'm hesitant to do anything with it, just like you I'd like to own two of them for that very reason.

"Gate Warfet Mosfet system , and I programed it to cut my ROF down with it so I can use heavy shot and not have feeding problems with full auto." sounds like pretty advanced stuff, do I really need to worry about something like that? Firing the gun as stock on full auto and it empties the mag in like 20 seconds anyway, absolutely tears to shreds the targets and is dead-on accurrate even with the very minimal 'sight' rail on top, once you fire your first shot you pretty much know exactly where the next one is going to hit, but then my yard isn't that big and the longest range I can get to a target is 20 feet.

Again thanks.



The motor and battery only impact trigger response and rate of fire. If you run a 11.1v LiPo or Li Ion, you need to run a mosfet. If you only run lighter shot (.20, .25 gram) , especially with a slower motor/lower volrage battery, the mags should keep up fine.

If your shots are not going very far, I would say you need to adjust the hop-up on the PR, 100 ft shots should be typically reasonable. Burnt Wolf Airsoft has a good youtube video about hop ups, and is a good youtube channel for airsoft (did a review of the PR by the way), as is Airsoftogy.


FPS is impacted by overall air seal, spring strength, and cylinder/barrel volume ratio.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:59 pm 
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Oh nice, how much and do you ship to the UK? Definitely interested next payday.


They are 20 each, now that I have my own printer. I do ship to the UK.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:14 am 
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Noble wrote:
I have a G+P /Marui PR, so it has mag guide rails on both sides.
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I recall a member on here who was talking about 3D printing those guides to add into the Snow Wolf RIFs but I don't recall him ever posting he'd finished them.

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I offer a mag insert kit for the Matrix/Snow Wolf that keeps the mag and bottom together.


Ah, fantastic! I shall take you up on that when I can get another couple of covers too.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:16 pm 

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You know what would be killer thing to make, a shroud adapter that would allow the portion of the shroud that covers the lower reciever to removed, and would bolt/screw/use the force/etc to keep the shround in place and snug with the lower.

It’s a real PITA to pull the lower and get to the gearbox.

I’d pay some greenbacks for that!


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