This is going to sound ridiculous, but i'm ordering my MAA BDU's today, and was wondering if anyone could tell me what is meant by "Waist & chest are reported in half measurements only" - I guess it means i measure it and then half it, but i'd rather look silly and get it right, then guess and have to buy a new set.

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Sgt. Jake Tucker - 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters.

The waist and chest measurements are across only and not all the way round. So if you have a 30 inch waist then you should report a 15 inch measurement.

Cheers
Darren

Brilliant, I thought as much. Thanks.

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Sgt. Jake Tucker - 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters.

Waist is measured (and sometimes even judged) by how many Pints and Halfs of beer you can put down of an evening

BTW, if you want the shirt to tuck into the trousers well, I would recommend adding a few extra inches to MAA's lengths on his charts.

My current set are too short to tuck in and walk without the shirt coming out after a few seconds, and I followed his sizing charts exactly.
I played it safe by doublechecking his measurements as well, against a seamstresses.
Personally, I'd say you wanna add an extra inch or two to the chest measurements as well - Mine fit OK under armour, and are fairly wearable without... Claymores' came out a bit too tight for comfort.

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MSgt, UKCM 42nd Reg., 1st Batt. : Hadrian's Wall. UKCM

Wasteland Workshop
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I've sent them in already, but I erred on the side of caution - adding some give to the arms, ect. We'll just have to see how they come out now.

Edit: The chart needs to be filled out and sent, so I have a second chance at it.

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Sgt. Jake Tucker - 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters.

add at least 2 inches to the shirt length, they seem to shrink a lot. not sure if the fabric is prewashed before sewing
do not halve the chest, your chest and back are not the same size, I would add at least an inch to the Half chest measurement
Get the BDU cut pants

when all else fails, err larger, you can always take them in.

once you get them, resew all the pocket and pocket flap corners.

Enjoy them, as they are awesome to have on, even without the armor on you will get looks and questions.

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Rob Slater
A08/TQ2.0.42136E1

Did you send in your standard measurements, not knowing the chart existed?

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MSgt, UKCM 42nd Reg., 1st Batt. : Hadrian's Wall. UKCM

Wasteland Workshop
Props, cosplay pieces, upcycled ornamentation, and miscellanea;
For the discerning survivor of the apocalypse.
Steve Fletcher : Maker, Scavenger, and Junksmith.
linktr.ee/wastelandworkshop

for measurements, it's good to have a long sleeve button shirt and lay it flat on the floor. same thing with pants

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PFC Mike Rizzuto MVM
USS Blackhawk
3rd Batt 12th Regt

I sent them in a list under the chart. He wanted me to crack it open in paint [this laptop does not edit photos..] and add the measurements to the diagram.

But yeah, I measured a Long sleeve shirt and formal trousers, then added those measurements to it. I added an inch to all my measurements, just in case. Rather too big then too small!

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Sgt. Jake Tucker - 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters.

Thought I fill in some details ..

- Size Chart came about from eBay clothing sellers. As on eBay, measurements are normally given as flat measurements. Our Size Chart is the actual Work Order for the tailor, and as such -- once they are filled in (by collector) we do not alter them. The Size Chart also becomes the official record for the order.

- For Size Chart purposes, the best thing to do is to measure a set of loose fitting clothes laid flat. Hence, the chest & waist measurements will come out half of what you typically know as your size for those measurements. When you fill in your typical full circumference chest & waist, that causes an exception in the work flow which normally means our tailor wll stop working (or won't even start) and contacts me to clarify. Thus, all Size Charts that have this problem is erroneous and requires editing (and voids subsequent guarantee for proper fit).

- For all of your measurements -- you can safely assume -- we do not know what they are except for what you fill in. That means what you measure is what the tailor will cut & sew the BDUs to. This means you will have to take the time to measure out what your needs are. People come in all shapes and sizes, and we don't posses the technology to know what those shapes & sizes are from a remote location. From what I have seen, taking your time in measuring out an actual set of clothing that are loose fitting e.g. those you would wear for working around the yard, camping AND NOT for your office job OR disco dancing -- this usually yields the correct measurements.

- I have witnessed now, more than once, professional seamstress measurements yield totally off results. I have never recommended going as far as this step. And now I would say don't bother. For one thing, seamstresses/tailors are more than likely to measure sleeve length from the center of the nape to the sleeve end, which via graphical requirements on Size Chart is not called for. As for why a seamstress would measure say 27" shirt length for both someone who wore size XL shirt and another who wore size Small shirt, AND these men wore different length pants indicating height differences .. your theory would be as good as mine. But I'll say this -- anyone who finds 27 inches shirt length too short to tuck into our BDU pants, would also find ANY SHIRT that is 27 inches long not being long enough to tuck into our BDU pants (some "Marvin" high rise pants .. that we aren't sure about).

- If we made a shirt that is 27 inches long, according to our present SOP, it is because the Size Chart indicated to us that the shirt needs to be 27 inches in length, and NOT becuz we make shirts that are shorter in length. Please remember, we do not know what your sizing requirements are other than what the Size Chart tells us. And because of this, what is needed is not for you to add a couple of inches to what you measure from your clothing, but for you to get your measurements correctly.

- So long as you find a set of loose fitting clothes (assuming you do not already own a set of military utility uniform) that fits you and you take the measurements correctly AND record those measurements precisely and clearly, I can tell you that there is a better than 99% chace your order will come out correctly.

- IF you add or subtract any length from what your tape measurement tells you after mesuring a set of your own loose fitting work/camping clothing (short of mil. fatigues) -- you are taking a chance that your order would come out wrong. The whole key is MEASURING & REPORTING correctly.

- Again, 99% of peeps get this step right.

- Measurements given in a list and not actually on the Size Chart is not accepted. By specific instruction -- we can fill the Size Chart in, but because we would have altered your Size Chart, the normal guarantee (where in event of a fit problem we are liable for all costs to correct) goes away.

- The SOP on Size Chart & fit guarantee are developed out of necessity to protect our liability. We can't guarantee fit when the reported size requirements are erroneous, incomplete, un-readable, missing, non-comforming, non-standard, or otherwise FUBAR.

Hope that helps ..

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@ Dan -- gotta ask .. are you a body builder ? Your list has a half chest of 27.5 inches equating 55 inch chest circumference ? This would be about a 4XL size, although the length is about XL at 31.5 inches. Your waist and inseam appear fairly average at size Medium approx. 19 inch (full 38") and 31" inseam ....

Anyhow -- all the measurements will have to be on the Size Chart itself as that is the standard the tailor needs to see. When we are working with a senior citizen who is non-computer literate, we have to keep things as simple as possible which means the graphics from the Size Chart is very helpful AND we do not change things up .. ever. When we deviate from the standard we have already set through more than 100 orders, that's when orders start coming in off. Hence, you will need to get the Size Chart done.

BTW -- if you have neat hand writing and a high resolution scanner, you could hand write on a hard print then scan it. So long as the the scanned Size Chart is clear & correct -- this form will do also.

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I am.. not a bodybuilder. Christ, I knew i'd mess it up somehow.

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Sgt. Jake Tucker - 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters.

If you have a set of BDUs (military, work, paintball, play) that fit you well - just take a tape measure to the shirt and pants and it'll come out pretty much the same.

BTW, not to hi-jack the thread - MAA BDUs, they're dry cleanable right?

Ok .. in the States this is when you say "drop back and punt" ..

It's easier to wipe the slate clean and start again.

What I would do is do an all new measurement again and not rely on any of the old ones.

Start from A,B,C,D,...,etc.

A is the ubitiqous "pit-2-pit" or armpit to armpit as often asked on eBay, if you have ever asked a seller how large is a shirt .. what you do is take the tape put the zero on the bottom of the arm hole across to the other side.

B is across the back from top of the arm hole to the other side.

C is from the top of the arm hole to the end of the sleeve.

D is from the nape, or top of the center or the back of the collar down to the shirt hem.

BTW -- 25.5 inches of sleeve length is for a XXXL or 2XL LONG. That's a fairly long arm length. We're talking wing span of about 85 inches + with your arm spread from tip of index finger across to ther other. I'd expect corresponding pants inseam in excess of 33 inches and a probable height of 6 feet 4 inches plus.

If you find all this hard ==> that tells me the following:

1). You have never listed an article of clothing for sale on eBay, becuz you don't know how-to measure the garment you have for sale AND you don't know how to inform your potential buyer when he/she asks.

2). You're doing something wrong.

3). You're making the process harder than it is.

It's not hard to do. May be confusing at first, but not hard once you visualize the nature of the problems here -- which is to tell someone who has never seen you what your specks are for your clothing needs. How would you go about doing that.

ALSO, I hope you can see that by enforcing the SOP on Size Chart, it is actually helping to eliminate errors by forcing double checking. Conversely, had I accepted your listed measurement, you'd be on your way to a mis-fitting BDU order. The only difference would have been that you THINK you measured it right AND it would have set you up with a business dispute with yours truly. This is something which I always try to avoid ..

Best of luck~!

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If I remember correctly, you are either active or former US serviceman. And it took 2 tries to get your Chart right .. I might be wrong, but that's what I recall ..

RE: Dry Clean. I don't see why not.

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Yeah that was me (still active). Issue 1 was handwriting my measurements and slashing my zeros. Issue 2 was the shoulder width being greater than the chest. Not a big issue since it was only an inch deduction. Overall, the BDUs turned out great!

I re submitted my size chart to you mate via E-Mail hope its ok this time ???

Can u confirm which Dan you said is a body builder i woried my order might have got mixed up with someone elses now

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Sgt Dan "Coop" Cooper
A03/TQ1.0.72144E1
UKCM 501st Regt. 1st Batt. The Bucketheads

"Civies We are Leaving"

I'm jake - So I assume we got mixed up, and i didn't read it right. Although, I forgot to half my chest too

Although, the rest of my measurements are just fine, I'm almost six foot 8, so I am freakishly tall and my measurements are all out of whack because i'm in the upper height quadrant

My email address is from Jaketucker89@googlemail.com - so you can reference my chart. I'll resubmit now, with the half chest measurement.

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Sgt. Jake Tucker - 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters.

Ok .. so yeah there's is two of you. Dan Cooper -- are you a body builder (chest 55" waist 38") ? If not so -- your measurements indicate that kind of built. Other guy -- just double check your measurements again. As you can see from exo95 -- the Size Chart works when it is done correctly based on clothes that fit you that are similar to the way a BDU ought to fit (and even though he was in the service -- it took him 2 tries).

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I've checked and resubmitted the form via email twelve hours ago - As I've received no reply, and I've paypalled you the cash, I assume this is okay now, and the work order can be started?

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Sgt. Jake Tucker - 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters.

I've received a PM from your screen name in the AM my time (it is now afternoon). I've also received emails from people. The trouble is .. with most everybody .. there is a screen name, then there is an email account, then there is personal name. I'm better than most but even I have lost track who all is who, so you'll excuse me for not replying to the PM and the thread until 12 hours later. I did receive one Size Chart with an A. measurement of 10.5 inches ... that falls into line with a 2~3 year old I believe.

BTW -- I addressed the post about a body builder physique of 55 inch circumference chest to "Dan", so if you are not Dan .. then it wasn't addressed to you (given at the time I did not know there were 2 people dealing with Size Charts in this thread today).

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Thats ok buddy the sizes i submited are exact to a current issue uniform i have im not a body builder !!! but i lik my stuff big and baggy

Just to confirm my e-mail will have the following sizes on it...

A) 28 inches
B) 23 inches
C) 26 inches
D) 32 inches
E) 19 inches
F) 32 Inches
G) 41 inches


you will notice that all of the inch and a half mesurments have been rounded up by half inch to avoid any confusion with your tailoress

Cheers for sorting this out Buddy

Dan

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Sgt Dan "Coop" Cooper
A03/TQ1.0.72144E1
UKCM 501st Regt. 1st Batt. The Bucketheads

"Civies We are Leaving"

MAA,
Do we have to leave room in the chest for a parasitic organism? My size chart looked like it had something ripping through the fabric where the sternum is. I will try to post a pic to show you what i mean

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No, they are not going to see this coming...

So my original measurements were fine? again to confirm: I'm Jaketucker89@googlemail.com

You should have two charts from me, One in which the measurement for A is 10.5 inches, and the previous one. I'm rather keen to get it started, as the event I plan to wear it to is 5 weeks away.

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Sgt. Jake Tucker - 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters.