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Author:  Russ Krook III [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:06 am ]
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I was looking for references for my final Pulse Rifle build, and when frame advancing I discovered a couple interesting things...

1) There appears to either be a plate or a piece of padding attached to the rear of the hero rifle stock.

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2) They use no fewer than 3 different rifles in the "Ripley rescues Newt" sequence. I knew about the first and last versions, but never noticed the "Hero-Stunt" version pictured below.

The Full, practical hero rifle with live M870 and M1A1.

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What I call a "Hero-Stunt Rifle" which appears to have a live Thompson, 8 hole barrel vent and dummy 870 inside a steel Spas Cage. This version of the grenade launcher is what is used in the "Ripley goes ballistic" sequence in the Alien Queen's chamber in the hive.

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And finally, a full lightweight stunt rifle with dummy Thomson and Grenade Launcher.

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Kind of interesting what you can still learn after watching a movie for 22 years. :)

Russ
Author:  PVB [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:20 am ]
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Very interesting. :)

The thing I noticed in this pic:
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Is the very wide width of the shroud under the counter/at the rear of the GL.

Also, the front of the shroud below the trigger guard seems to be a curved piece, rather than the flat-fronted section we usually know about.
Author:  Harry Harris [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:36 am ]
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the very wide width of the shroud under the counter/at the rear of the GL.

In fact the original PRs are quite a bit wider at that point than most, if not all of the replicas out there. Consequently the magazine base is quite a bit wider too.

I know what you mean about learning new stuff Russ, and that's part of what keeps this hobby fresh for me. It wasn't that long ago that someone (I think it was Mike Rush) pointed out to me that Drake kisses his Smart Gun just before he leaves the ready room, there's even a sound effect! :lol:

I'm not sure if that's padding on the end of the stock there, or just a result of worn paint and the right reflection. Weird though!

One thing I'll add is that of all the original Pulse Rifles I've seen over the years, no two are exactly the same. In the same way that the USCM armour sets for each character have differences in their build and paint-job, the PRs differ in many subtle ways. Of course it didn't matter at the time because we could barely pause videotape cleanly, but now in the age of the pin-sharp freeze-frame these differences come to light more & more.

[EDIT]: Forgetting it was Mike Rush who told me about Drake (see above).

Harry
Author:  Cpl Potter [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:02 am ]
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i want a rifle butt stock pad for my pr now :wink:
Author:  Noble [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:59 am ]
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I've always had a pad on mine:
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The design works perfect with the "hot dog" holes of the SPAS cage
and stock. And that's my blood on it...


All stocks that are out there forget the center piece:
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I modded my SD studio stock.
Author:  septic [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:36 am ]
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Nice one Matt, that pad looks just right. Might have to do something similar.

Digging the stains too. Nothing says "this project was a pig" like a bit'o blood. 8)
Author:  Russ Krook III [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:53 am ]
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No, nothing says "I got shot with a seriously too hot airsoft gun" like blood on your weapon. ;)

Russ
Author:  Spatman [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:08 am ]
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Last week I was watching Aliens (pretty good flick if you haven't seen it, check it out!) and I noticed that the bottom plate of the magazine was twice as wide as mine, and I seriously started thinking about widening my shrouds. But in all honesty, I like mine the way they are, and I think it would look odd if it was that thick.

Kind of the way I've gotten used to the way the Armor FX Stormtroopers look, and when I see a screen accurate Stormtrooper, it looks wrong.

Does that make any sense?
Author:  Cpl Potter [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:56 am ]
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i think yours is fine spat , besides adding more to the mag would add more weight/material to the weapon . and i think yours is top notch already
Author:  Russ Krook III [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:07 am ]
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Matsuo and I were just talking about the large size difference between the mag wells on all the fan made rifles and the screen used ones. Pretty big difference!

But really, aside from perhaps making the shot counter area stronger, I don't see what benefit you'd really gain from enlarging the size aside from being more "screen accurate."

While SA is for some of us an ideal, it's the sad fact of things that many of the props and costumes we make as fans are often times better quality than what was actually built for the films. :)

Russ
Author:  saintadjg [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:50 am ]
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Kind of the way I've gotten used to the way the Armor FX Stormtroopers look, and when I see a screen accurate Stormtrooper, it looks wrong.

Know exactly what you mean I trooped in my FX for 3 years, just switched to TM and it doesn't feel right too me. (Though I ditched the awful FX bucket after my first troop).
Author:  Jonsey The Cat [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:22 am ]
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Russ Krook III wrote:
The Full, practical hero rifle with live M870 and M1A1.

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What I call a "Hero-Stunt Rifle" which appears to have a live Thompson, 8 hole barrel vent and dummy 870 inside a steel Spas Cage. This version of the grenade launcher is what is used in the "Ripley goes ballistic" sequence in the Alien Queen's chamber in the hive.



AS far as I know the one used here is the 10 holer. The second pic below (not in this reply) is the 8 holer. Only the "10 holer" had a working grenade launcher. All the 8 holers had GL dummies with loose pump hand guard (you can see how they move around freely several times in the OP firefight). Ripley never fires the Grenade launcher on screen as there is a frame cut to a muzzle. Vasques is the only one seen actually firing the grenade launcher.

Interesting enough the original 8 holer from Aliens in Alien 3 has a fully working GL. But as we know it it must have been put in to later as the 10 holer was probably scrapped when returning the guns after the production.

Heres a part of a page out of the Aliens Investigation Report w. description and some info. (you guys here probably already know all of it but why not...)
// Jonesy

Edit 2: Didn't notice that page excerpt was from a outdated version , its now updated.

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Author:  Russ Krook III [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:11 am ]
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Jonsey The Cat wrote:
AS far as I know the one used here is the 10 holer.


Yes it is. I just didn't specify it in the picture, although I did call it the "Hero."

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Ripley never fires the Grenade launcher on screen as there is a frame cut to a muzzle.


Heh, want to place a bet on that? :twisted:

Ripley does fire the shotgun, but not after she racks the pump grip. There's a close up of the grip being pumped (complete with sound FX), then a cut to a medium shot of Ripley firing the shotgun itself. This happens 2-3 times. Close up, Medium shot.

Also found another "That's interesting" moment.

As the crew is ready for the drop, we're treated to an over the shoulder shot outside the cockpit of the dropship. As the hanger bay doors open, you can see the top edge of the right side cockpit window Isn't sealed and looks to have 1/4 inch gap. :D That whistling you hear wasn't Spunkmeyer. ;)

Russ
Russ
Author:  lear60man [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:40 am ]
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For the but pad I have used an old belt, or left over thick rubber that I use to support/attach the knees to the shin armor.

Thanks for pointing out the mag well thickness. :evil:
Author:  Jonsey The Cat [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:35 pm ]
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Russ Krook III wrote:
Heh, want to place a bet on that? :twisted:

Ripley does fire the shotgun, but not after she racks the pump grip. There's a close up of the grip being pumped (complete with sound FX), then a cut to a medium shot of Ripley firing the shotgun itself. This happens 2-3 times. Close up, Medium shot.

Russ


I bet one Aspen Colorado Weylan Yutani beer and you just won it. :) Hats off. But I must say that its magic, I dont seem to get a frame freeze on my TV/DVD when Ripley fires the shotgun but it shows fine on my DVD player on the computer. Hmmm. Do they work at different speeds?

Ok have you seen a Queen carrying plastic explosives in her belly?

Cheers
Jonsey

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Author:  Sidewinder [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:29 am ]
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She is umm, biomechanical.

SAS 8)
Author:  Tarim-rex [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:09 pm ]
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Doesn't Vasquez fire the grenade launcher as well?
Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:11 pm ]
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I believe she does, and from the hip as well!!

Not ever fired blank shottie shells, but I imagine they still have a painful kick...
Author:  Sidewinder [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:41 pm ]
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I'd guess they weren't full charge blanks - no need for them to be.

SAS

Ttaskmaster wrote:
I believe she does, and from the hip as well!!

Not ever fired blank shottie shells, but I imagine they still have a painful kick...
Author:  Mike Rush [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:54 pm ]
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Harry Harris wrote:
[EDIT]: Forgetting it was Mike Rush who told me about Drake (see above).

I didn't tell you about that, but I did show you the shot where Drake's smart-gun is falling apart. 8)
Author:  Russ Krook III [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:49 pm ]
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Mike, please share with the rest of the class! :D

Russ
Author:  Harry Harris [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:55 pm ]
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Mike Rush wrote:
Harry Harris wrote:
[EDIT]: Forgetting it was Mike Rush who told me about Drake (see above).

I didn't tell you about that, but I did show you the shot where Drake's smart-gun is falling apart. 8)


Ah, curse my memory! Sorry Mike, thought it was you.

I'd also forgotten the SG falling apart scene! That'll get everyone looking now!

Who'll be first to post a screen-grab? ;)

Harry
Author:  Demetrius [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:05 am ]
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Ttaskmaster wrote:
I believe she does, and from the hip as well!!

Not ever fired blank shottie shells, but I imagine they still have a painful kick...


I dont think blank firing rounds have any kick at all. I have fired a three inch magnum 12 guage one handed from a stock 870 and it wasnt too bad, albiet steel shot which is lighter than lead, but in any regard the heavy pulse rifle would absorb most of this recoil. :)
dont try that at home
Author:  Harry Harris [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:03 am ]
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Who'll be first to post a screen-grab?

That'll be me then! Thanks to Mike Rush for spotting this one!

Harry

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Author:  Russ Krook III [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:48 am ]
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No wonder he dumped the smartgun when getting near the APC... it was already falling apart! Too funny! Thanks for sharing!
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