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Author:  Kedyw [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:31 am ]
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Well, I'm new here. So, Hi.

Anywho, I was looking at the USCM Dress Blues deal you've got going, and it looks mighty interesting. I thought that since you've delved pretty deep into the world of Aliens, and have amde some modifications, why not make a Naval counterpart? I mean, there has to be Corpsmen and crew to man larger transports et cetera, yeah?

I own several USN Enlisted uniforms, and I am sure they wouldn't look too bad with these modifications. I might be able to get some images up, if you accept this idea.
Author:  Adonis [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:32 am ]
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Navy I've heard of in some of the horrible Dark Horse comics from the 90s. Just not... good. There is a Coast Guard too. But that idea boggles the mind also.

As a EUB (in training) I find the idea...
Author:  Kedyw [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:42 am ]
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But why are these ideas not tasteful? I mean, there's gotta be someone who carts around the USCM, right? Sure, it's not complete canon, but it's a new frontier.
Author:  wookieegunner [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:51 am ]
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I believe Adonis was either refering to the comics themselves or the Naval interpretation in the comics. Not the concept of Fleet personnel.
Author:  SGM Baldwin [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:31 am ]
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Colonial Navy... Hmmm... Well, as we know, the USCM is a division of the Aerospace Division... which in some way would be a descendant of the Air Force. This would tell me that in the "Aliens" universe, star-faring vessels are under the command of what will become of the Air Force.

A "marine" by definition is an infanteer launched from a vessel, in this case, space vessel.... which is why they are sent out amongst the stars... If there would be a need for a navy out there, my guess is that it would be for planetary aquatic vessels.
Author:  Hollis DZC [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:31 am ]
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I like the idea of a Navy Corpsman attending the Marines... 8)
Author:  Devildog [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:53 am ]
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Didn't Dietrich carry the first aid gear in the movie?
Author:  SGM Baldwin [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:33 am ]
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Yup.

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Author:  Hollis DZC [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:43 am ]
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It's not that I didn't know that...I just thought it was cool to have a Corpsman...
Author:  Rumpelteazer [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:34 am ]
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Wasn't there something of an "interview" in the tech manual mentioning in passing that the most of other branches were still around at that point?
Author:  LSKIV [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:02 am ]
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What said sharpuscm is true (as usual :roll: :wink: ) in sense that Today USAF got a Space Command in case of Star or from Space deployment...
http://www.afspc.af.mil/
in the same time, CORPSMAN Idea is tentating today way: USCM uniform with USCNavy Insignia/Rank/Crest/patch, and if it is true to think if it was a drop from Space, would be USAF Space Command task, i like the idea of link that live through space and time between Marines and Navy
:)

Denim and Chambray shirt of USCN with Mandarin Collar and perhaps as USCM with US ARMY Rank, USCN with USAF one but called with USN Ranks names, Petty Officer. Something like Supercarrier Deck Apes gears :oops: :twisted:

After all, today Navy Seabees wears BDU or Cammies, and before MARPAT Camo used the same Woodland Cammies as The Corps :idea:
Author:  Kedyw [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:06 am ]
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Yeah, but as of October 2007, the Navy will begin issue of the TDU.

Anywho, I find it highly unlikely that the Air Force would work with the Marines in any permanent capacity, as the Marines are totally anal about tradition, quite a good thing! The Air Force is currently very integrated with the Army, training its own people as combat medics and security support.

Because we are given little else than some speculation and a movie to follow, we might as well try, yes? Besides, if we were to look at space travel today, at least half of NASA's shuttle personnel have been from the Sea Services.

I'm surprised with the answers, and I'll get my uniforms together, modify them, and see what you all think. I've stuff from every branch, so I'm more than willing to tear apart a few items.
Author:  ADC [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:08 pm ]
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It's quite an interesting discussion you've thrown up. I think if you look at programmes like the new Galactica, that seem to me to have one of the more believable representations of what life would be like on a working military space vessel, the whole structure closely resembles life on say, a present day air craft carrier. Think of engine rooms, living quarters, the galley, a bridge, all this is drawn from the Navy structure and has more in common with that than the Marine Corps or Army or Air force.
I think Star Trek makes that point really well, too. I think Picard has a ships wheel in his ready room or somewhere.

Which leads me to believe at the level of USCM ships like the sulaco I would maybe imagine a 'Navy' run vessel deploying Colonial marine troops – all though clearly it's not portrayed that way in the film.

So despite todays formula where you have Air Force personnel going on to NASA, which makes perfect sense, I would expect the Navy to have a substantial influence in the future when large military ships are a reality, dealing with deployment, fleet auxilary, etc.

Maybe someone who is attracted to life in the Navy in the early twenty first century would be attracted to joining the 'space fleet' in the twenty third century. Personally though, I think in the Aliens universe a Navy uniform is really stretching it!
:wink:
But hey, there's no rules – go for it!
Author:  SSgt Burton [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:43 pm ]
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Andrew took the words right out of my mouth.

Star Trek- and Starfleet are basically a futuristic presentation of a Navy:

The vessels are referred to as Starships.

The ranks are Naval ranks (Admiral, Captain, Commander, Ensign, etc).

In the original series they had a ship's navigator. They even blew a boatswain whistle when a Admiral came onboard. :wink:

But getting back to Aliens...

I think the simple fact that the Sulaco is refered to as the U.S.S. Sulaco is pretty much a giveaway that it is a (space based) naval vessel.

I would liken it to a submarine rather than an aircraft carrier though; seeing as it must be completely enclosed to the vacuum of space (just as a submarine must be completly self contained).
Author:  LSKIV [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:46 pm ]
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From Regulation of today (well til new TDU)
http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup ... d/male.htm

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...inside a Larger Ship, some Deck Member of the USCN
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Author:  Adonis [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:36 pm ]
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Yeah I'm just thinking that a Navy isn't needed per se. You have the Marines in hypersleep, in some of the novels and such you have all passengers in hypsersleep...

So the crew that remains awake would in fact be Synthetics. Which LSKIV's pic is very reminiscient of Bishop's uniform.

So yeah... Navy serving us Marines fresh coffee and cornbread when we wake up is a good idea! :D
Author:  Devildog [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:51 pm ]
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LSKIV's mock-ups are very cool!

However.... exerpts from the Tech Manual:

pg 129: "Excerpted from the STARTAC '76 introductory seminar to the USCM staff college by Colonel James Mortimer, USASF:
<most text I snipped out> ...In the hope that you will come to know our job better, I'm going to try and paint a picture of what we, the aerospace guys you Marines so quaintly refer to as your 'chauffeurs', do to earn our crust from Uncle Sam."

pg 133: "The USCM Starlift Command is an allied branch of the USASF Transport Command. Starlift Command is essentially an administrative organization, arranging for the attachment of USASF transports to fulfil individual missions. Where additional USASF vessels are required for escort, space control and aerospace support, Colonial Marine transports and assault vessels come under the command of the USASF fleet commander. However, for missions that do not require USASF support, transports remain under USCM command."

More USASF named personnel:

pg 118: General Michele Kurama, USASF

pg 116: General Gregory Pleet, USASF

Okay, I'm done typing. :)
Author:  Kedyw [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:19 am ]
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USASF, any idea on what it means?

It sounds like my argument's been snubbed out, yet I am still perplexed with why ships retain the USS title.
Author:  Adonis [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:25 am ]
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Nah, we're not a bunch of snubbers. Just trying to puzzle out the mystery.

It's not that difficult to do a Marine impression tho.
Author:  Kedyw [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:42 am ]
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Yeah, I've already got some stuff together for the impression. I've just gotta save up some money for more expensive items. I do reenacting on the side, and my Vietnam impression has plenty of items I could use.

But yeah, I'll still provide pics if you like.
Author:  Adonis [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:45 am ]
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I've got the bargain... inspired by the movie, yet not totally screen accurate rig. I buy bits and pieces here and there.
Author:  Outcry27 [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:27 am ]
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Kedyw wrote:
Yeah, but as of October 2007, the Navy will begin issue of the TDU.


TDU? I'm in the Navy, and I've never heard of the new uniforms referred to by that acronym. They're called "NWUs," my friend. "Navy Working Uniform." And yes, I can't wait to start wearing them, the current Utilities are horrible.

Makes me wonder where that TDU acronym came from, lol.

Kedyw wrote:
yet I am still perplexed with why ships retain the USS title.


I've heard it argued that it stands for "United Systems Ship." Works for me. ^_^
Author:  Devildog [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:45 am ]
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Kedyw wrote:
USASF, any idea on what it means?

It sounds like my argument's been snubbed out, yet I am still perplexed with why ships retain the USS title.


If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess that USASF stood for:

United States AeroSpace Force

Just a shot in the dark there. :)
Author:  SGM Baldwin [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:32 am ]
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Derek, you are correct. Aerospace Force.
Author:  Kedyw [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:16 am ]
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Outcry27 wrote:
Kedyw wrote:
Yeah, but as of October 2007, the Navy will begin issue of the TDU.


TDU? I'm in the Navy, and I've never heard of the new uniforms referred to by that acronym. They're called "NWUs," my friend. "Navy Working Uniform." And yes, I can't wait to start wearing them, the current Utilities are horrible.

Makes me wonder where that TDU acronym came from, lol.

Kedyw wrote:
yet I am still perplexed with why ships retain the USS title.


I've heard it argued that it stands for "United Systems Ship." Works for me. ^_^


Gah, sorry, I use 5.11 gear, and got confused. I meant TFU (Task Force Uniform), and it was used when the uniform was being tested. I frequently visited NAVSTA 32nd Street, and one of the units there had been selected to try it out. Sorry about the miscommunication. I was a Sea Cadet, then I joined the Coast Guard. So, everything's different on this side.

Speaking of uniforms, the Navy's just released a photo and some info on two new conceptual uniforms.

http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=51109

Sorry for derailing the thread.
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