I've been thinking as I've watched the whole 4ology in the past few days and I'm thinking--You really don't need Ripley after Aliens. Is she like the Brody family in Jaws? Do Aliens just chase her around?

If the Aliens really came down it would really be the military dealing with them--let Ripley go!!! she should have died or just disappeared after the second one

Alien 3 was a great idea--" a space prison full of condemned monks and lice and the Alien comes from a dog! Henced since then all Aliens have the "dog back leg"....BUT the movie itself is not that great...For some reason I really don't care for it. Yes, it is dark like the first one but it doesn't have the magic, or better yet the Horror of the first one.

Alien 4 is basically crap--still got good ideas; space thieves or pirates or whatever have frozen Alien hosts but the movie is still not that good (still fun to watch tho)

Alien VS Predator is just (what's a word worse than Crap?) Totally screws up the Alien chronological order. Is the Bishop guy like the Brody family? As much as we love Lance Henricson I'm tired of him showing up every time--is he like Marty McFly and all his descendants (or predecessors) look EXACTLY the same?? Have you ever watched films of your Grandfather--Does he look like you? I thought he would end up being the founder of The Company and at the end you would know he has to form a mission to LV-427 and that would take a hundred years or whatever. And that would take us full circle.

Actually the original Dark horse black and white comics were pretty cool because it took up between 2 and 3 and Newt kinda took up the fight..They also kinda explained the "Space-jockey" and his race was actually hunting the Alien. Also Hicks lived but he looked like Harry Osbourne at the end of Spider-man 3..But i don't know if they were good enough for a movie...

Let's just forget 3 and 4 and Predator stuff and just start over like Superman Returns did andjust pick up after 2 and just start it over



HI BENTON!!!!!

A while back, someone here suggested that #5 should
explain how 3 and 4 were a dream after going into hypersleep
at the end of Aliens.

Sounds like a good idea.


AvP....

Funny how the Burke scene was cut from Aliens because it would have been too soon for a chestburster to arrive.
But in AvP it can happen in mere minutes.

You mean like "Dallas?"

If I hear that "they were just dreams" line one more time...

(Where's that "shaking my fist" emoticon)


I liked A3- I think it was a fitting end for the Ripley character.

And it should have stayed that way.

I don't have a clue (other than a handsome paycheck) as to why she agreed to make Alien Res. The movie could have easily been made without her.

At least Roy Scheider had the sense of mind to call it quits after Jaws 2.

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I'm also in the 'Alien3 was a good way to finish the story' camp... I'll never forgive Sigourney Weaver for doing The Film That Shall Not Be Named.

As for AvP, it should have been s**t-canned as soon as anyone with any sense noticed that it was set in the present day. And the script writer hung. And the person who proposed the idea in the first place shot.

Not that I have particularly strong feelings about it or anything..! :p

I'll give on the "fitting end for the Ripley character".
The film appeared to have it's heart in the right place, just that it seemed to be missing "something".

I remember going into the theater expecting a continuation of the previous film and after learning of Hick's and Newt's death in the first act, after all they went through, kind of left me with a sour note from then on.

Anyone know how many scripts were written for AvP?
With all of the flaws it would seem they went with the first one.

I'm thinking it did well out of pure curiosity from fans of both franchises and is why it made most of it's money in the first weekend.
I'm sure the $cash$ is the driving force behind AvP2.
Perhaps if it does not do so well they will finally get the message that they are heading in the wrong direction.



Thats a good one.
What was the dialog in that scene?
Did Dallas mention a chestburster?

A3 - good movie
A3 Quadrilogy Release - better movie

After that - BAD DREAM!!! (sorry Kev)
If it wasn't for Burke wanting to tie up all the lose ends on his little deal Ripley wouldn't have been going back to Lv-426 in the first place. I'm 99% sure it was him who got the company to pick up her contract, if indeed that was not just made up to get her in on the deal.

Anyway.....AR + AvP = cha'ching for Fox.
Let's hope AvP2 is better or atleast some what better and Lance didn't cancel D*Con to shoot a scene for it

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A3 was an awesome movie... I'll challenge anyone who say different. BUT... could they have gotten a clue? The movie was called "Predator", not "Schwarzenegger"... that's how we got Danny Glover.

Why weren't these films called "Ripley"?

No, by "Dallas" I meant the old TV show. One whole season ended up being a dream.

I had a feeling that is what you were talking about.
It was in fact my first guess.


It also fits in with the "starting over" aspect, as
the Dallas movie is coming out.
Travolta as "JR".

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!

We've gone over this before, but again, I felt gut punched after leaving A3 in the theater. I "enjoyed" ARes. Come on, after the original cut of A3, ARes. was like getting a pain killer AFTER the doctor sets your broken bone.

Or maybe I'm easier to please than others. I guess I'm of the school that says "If YOU can do better, than DO IT."

I notice nobody has really done much as far as the Aliens setting where fan films are concerned. There's been a few... but not many. There's hundreds of Star Wars fanfilms. Where's all the Aliens ones? But that's a topic for another discussion.

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Didn't it burst out of an Ox or something in the Quadrilogy version? I never did understand the switch for that.

As a collection of films, I like them for what they are. Ofcourse I do have my preferences but no strong standing against the others. Look at it from Fox's perspective. The existing fan base is most likely going to see the film anyway. The extra opportunity lies in gathering a new generation of fans with a 'trendy' appeal to current movie goers.

Curtis Harrington once said, "There is only one reason, at least in America, that people put money in film, and that is to make a profit. There is no other reason."

So yeah, with this in mind, AvP with its PG-13 rating and it's 'video game' nature was just that. But hey, it keeps the ball rolling.

My initial feeling after leaving the theatre for the screening of A3 was major disappointment. But over time, and looking at it again, it is an exeptional film in its own right. It seems the idea was to re-visit the haunted and isolated feel of the first film. IMHO, the film does just that. Especially so by taking out Hicks and Newt while the opening credits are still rolling.

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Personally, Ripley kinda gets on my nerves a little.

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God I think I hate that line almost as much as the "They were just dreams" line. Maybe more.

I'm not an actor (although I probably should have been, but that is neither here nor there), I'm not a producer, director, or writer (although I did write an Aliens short story).

I'm a moviegoer. I'm a fan. I don't watch a film to compare notes on "what I would have done instead"- I watch a film to be entertained.

How would you like to go see your favourite baseball team, and when they are getting their asses handed to them, have one of the players turn around to the crowd and scream out, "Hey! Let's see you do better!"

Or go to see a comedian at Yuk Yuks, only to discover he/she is truly unfunny. And when he/she gets no laughs whatsoever, turns on the crowd and blurts out, "Let's see you do better!"

It's a copout. And quite frankly I find that argument insulting.

Nobody sets out to make a bad film on purpose- but many great artistic ideas get shelved because of money, and/or release dates. Great actors are not considered simply because they can get cheaper unknowns to fill a role. Basically by some suit in an office who doesn't give a rats ass about a franchise.

F--king company men!

If a film is bad- it's my prerogative to talk about it being bad, and why.


(End rant- don't say I didn't warn you).


Sorry Russ- please don't think this has been directed at you specifically. You're not the first person to utter that phrase (and of course, won't be the last).

Of course I don't want AvP2 to suck, I want it to be spectacular! I want it to re-energize the franchise (like how "Batman Begins" re-wrote the genre doing away with the disastrous "Batman and Robin" that killed the franchise for 8 years).

And it wouldn't hurt to see some Marines again (even modern day Devil Dogs!).

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I don't think Ripley needs to be in any more aliens films, though they did leave room for the "half Ripley" in A4 to continue. And I felt that character had a lot of room to explore, expand, and be pretty cool in a certain context.

I even wrote a sequel script to the film (right after it came out) that had the survivors of A4 looking for freelance merc jobs on Earth while dodging the authorities and trying to get The Betty upgraded and repaired.

Eventually "the company" caught up with them, took Call, and they all ended up in an underground bioweapons lab where we learn that the ship found in Alien was from earth all along and the "pilot" was something we created for long haul space travel. The lab contained a huge hive of our Xeno's, and was being maintained and controlled by a staff of blue collar types (and a staff of security types as well).

When half ripley arrives at the lab, the creatures in the hive sense her outside of the hive and for the first time they try to break free to get at her. This causes a chain reaction and the entire security system in the lab collapses and "oh no" they suddenly have to deal with 25 different species of bioweapons on the loose. Not xeno's, a variety of all kinds of baddies.

If I have my way AVP 3 will be all about Yutani buying out Weyland, forming Weyland-Yutani space corp and starting the colonial movement into space, and understanding there is a need for security on offworld colonies (thanks to the arrival of the xeno's and the pred's to the first colony) the USCM is born. We'd see the first of them, and how they'd deal with the predators.

No Ripley in sight. No Bishop in sight. All new characters that can be given a chance to carry the franchise along for another couple decades.

I see the Alien films as a trilogy and I leave it at that. Far as I'm concerned, when Ellen Ripley died, so did the franchise.

The other Alien films are good popcorn flicks.

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Every time this comes up, I say something like this:

There are plenty more stories in the Aliens universe, and they do NOT need Ripley in them.
The only common thread needed is the Aliens themselves - And saying otherwise is as daft as saying that once you've made one or two Vietman or orld War II movies, you should stop because there's no more story to tell.

In Glasgow parlance...
"Baws."

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An AWARD WINNING Aliens short story if I'm not mistaken.



True.



Well, if it was FOOTBALL, and we were talking about the MN Vikings... you'd probably have some people take 'em up on the offer. Well, it beats having one of your receivers push a meter maid with his car... or get busted for a party barge orgy...



I think people like Uwe Boll, who's produced and directed some of the worst video game movie related SHLOCK ever seen might disagree with you... behind the closed doors of his multi-million dollar mansion.

At least Roger Coreman admitted he was making shlock, and reveled in it, turning his low budget horror/comedy films into it's own genre...



Exactly. Movie studios are in business to do one thing: Make Money. Why hire (Insert name of good actor here) when you can get (unknown doofus) for $50,000 as opposed to 1.5 Million?

Hell, look at the TRAINWRECK that was "Starship Troopers 2."
That was a case of people trying to do different things, when the fans wanted something similar to the first film. People couldn't get over the fact it was a first time director (but veteran FX guru) and it turned out the way it did. Plus, it had no budget. But I digress. As usual...



That's your call bro, but it doesn't change the fact that it was made, poorly (in whatever instance) or not up to "your" expectations. How many times have we complained about how bad (Aliens sequel #whatever) was because it was different, or didn't live up to OUR expectations, and at the same we ALSO complain when a film (any genre) comes out that is pretty much a carbon copy of the previous one?

I know in the past I've been guilty of that one as well. Movie makers either:

a) Make what they want according to THEIR own vision.

Or...

b) crank out whatever the public will swallow at the moment.



No problemo Kev! No blood, no foul!



Heh. I guess I won't mention again that aside from a couple technical issues (the hyper breeding facehugger/Alien transition) I actually liked AvP.

Oh wait, I just did.

Here's to hoping the next one will be everything everyone wants.

If not, I'll be waiting in line for "Ironman" and "Indiana Jones 4."



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There was a Starship Troopers 2?!?!?!

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Yeah there was- but in this case ignorance is bliss Tom.


It was completely HORRIBLE.

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I'll take up that challenge, Dom!

While it is not the abortion that is A:R (IMO), A3 just doesn't work... and I've watched as recently as a year ago on DVD.

There's the elimination of two main characters-BEFORE THE CREDITS ARE DONE! In another film, this might be a bold move, thowing into question the survivability of any character.

For A3, it came off as pointless, a stunt for "shock" value and left a bad taste in my that's STILL there after 15 years!

While full of great actors, the shaved head look of them created two massive problems:

A) They all looked alike, so it was nearly impossible to tell them apart in the dark.
B) Because they all appeared alike, their was little connection to them (Charles S. Dutton a big exception) so the was no loss at their deaths. They died like campers in a slasher movie; an unknown person designed to make a gory corpse.

Also, the nature of this film (a group of unprepared people forced to defend themselves with inadequate resources) is a retelling of the first film!

Altogether, this makes this a dark (physically) and depressing movie, with even Ripley's sacrifice being pointless beyond keeping it out of W-Y's hands.

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I don't blame Fincher.
He did the best he coud in a COMPLETELY HORRIFIC artistic position:
First feature film... of a FRANCHISE
6000+ miles from home
Problems with crew
Sets left over from the PREVIOUS director's version of the movie
Execs furious and trying to fire you
Your producers aren't protecting you but handing you THEIR revamped script pages.

But it still doesn't scrub the soiled taste in my mouth.

As far as I'm concerned, there are only two movies.

Your response?

Oh and the basis of this thread?
I ABSOLUTELY believe you can have an "ALIEN" movie with our Ripley at this point.

Typo, or Scouse? :p

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Sorry Kids, but going OT for a bit...





Hey, it had redeeming qualities...

Okay, it had a hot blonde walking nekkid through half the film.

I could buy the new alien bug menace. I could buy the crappy
costumes (barely). I couldn't buy the guns. Sorry, they sucked @$$.

But the thing that really drew me OUT of the film was something
SO stupid, SO trivial, but SO much a part of the first film that made
me feel a part of it...

There was NO MOUSE POINTER.

What?

Yeah, in the "news" segments of the first film, whenever they
ended a news story, a computer mouse pointer scrolled across the
screen and clicked a virtual "Do you want to know more" button.

In SST2, there was no mouse. There was no button. You were
given the "next" story no matter what. And at the end of each
story they still had the DYWTKMore voice over, but NO fake
interaction.

THAT lack of a $50 CG overlay lost the film for me.

Stupid, but true.

Back on Topic:

No Ripley. Ripley must die. Okay, if they did a sequel to Alien
Ressurexecution, sure, but in another nonconcurrent timeline film,
no. Not just no, but hell no.

Russ

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