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Author:  SSgt Burton [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:26 pm ]
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Ok- we've seen Dom Service C uniform...

Has anyone ever thought of putting together a full dress blues impression? With some USCM flair?

Or would it be considered offensive to real Marines?
Author:  SGM Baldwin [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:02 am ]
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... you've also seen my USCM DI uniform... 8)

I'm not a US Marine, so I can't answer your question... but I would LOVE to put a USCM dress blues uniform together!
Author:  •ONEYE• [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:34 am ]
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I would not approve, I don't know how other Marines would feel. It's one thing having a replica/costume from a movie, however, the dress blue uniform has never been in Aliens. The uniforms in the movie are fiction. You are talking about taking a real uniform, with real history, and altering it to pretend you/it is something else.
Author:  SgtTony [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:39 am ]
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I have thought about doing one.....but thinking on it I personally think unless you are a real marine, then no.

That's something you earn in my eyes, and I have not earned the right to wear it.

Gorman's outfit is the limit I think :)
And Dom's does look awesome!!!
Author:  SSgt Burton [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:00 am ]
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•ONEYE• wrote:
I would not improve, I don't know how other Marines would feel. It's one thing having a replica/costume from a movie, however, the dress blue uniform has never been in Aliens. The uniforms in the movie are fiction. You are talking about taking a real uniform, with real history, and altering it to pretend you/it is something else.


This is exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for. I knew we had some Marines here!

Well for me it's official- the dress blues are off limits.

Like Tony said- the Gorman impression is the only non battle dress that would be acceptable then yes?
Author:  •ONEYE• [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:06 am ]
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Dress blues are pretty expensive.

Since the uniform in the movie is fictional, I don't see why someone couldn't design a fictional/similar dress uniform. I don't have that kind of talent, but after seeing some of what the members on this board have created, I'm sure you could come up with something original with a nod toward the real uniform.
Author:  Outcry27 [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:24 am ]
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•ONEYE• wrote:
Since the uniform in the movie is fictional, I don't see why someone couldn't design a fictional/similar dress uniform. I don't have that kind of talent, but after seeing some of what the members on this board have created, I'm sure you could come up with something original with a nod toward the real uniform.


Couldn't have said it better myself. While I think I'd be pretty offended if I saw someone at a con wearing Navy "Crackerjacks" - a uniform every bit as steeped in tradition and history as the USMC Dress Alphas - as a costume, seeing someone's take on what my dress blues might look like two hundred years from now wouldn't bother me in the least. To be honest, I think I'd be flattered, hehe.

That being said, I would love to see what some of the creative minds on this forum could come up with on a project like that.
Author:  SgtTony [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:26 am ]
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Thinking inside the box yet......outside of the box - ok that makes no sense.
Think of it this way though.....

Can you see Hudson, Vasquez or even Hicks in dress blues?? :wink:
Author:  SSgt Burton [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:05 am ]
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To answer your question. YES! :D

Drake, Spunkmeyer, Ferro- they might hate ceremonial parades and inspections, but they would do it without blinking an eye! They're Marines! (Of course we will never know as they're all... you know... dead. :wink: ).

Tony- the point is that it is enjoyable to come up with what "might have been" uniforms for our beloved Corps. Think of the parade uniforms in SST.

But this thread has taken an interesting turn! Developing a fictional uniform that would follow a natural progression of the tradition USMC dress uniform!

So this has gotten me started already!

Surfing around looking for ideas an inspiration brought me to this site:

http://www.marlowwhite.com/dress-uniforms/coats.html

(Scroll down to Custom High-Collar Coat).

So picture this in midnight blue (which is an option) and red piping instead of gold. :wink:
Author:  wookieegunner [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:07 am ]
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Here's a direct link to the hi-res:

http://www.marlowwhite.com/dress-unifor ... tment.html

And for those that don't know what USMC blues look like, here is a pic:

http://www.gracebiblebaptistchurch.org/Iraq/3usmc.JPG

And here is a link to the US Army Dress Blues (since there is at least some Army feel to the USCM):

http://www.army.mil/symbols/uniforms/
Author:  Ripstick [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:13 am ]
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•ONEYE• wrote:
I would not approve, I don't know how other Marines would feel. It's one thing having a replica/costume from a movie, however, the dress blue uniform has never been in Aliens. The uniforms in the movie are fiction. You are talking about taking a real uniform, with real history, and altering it to pretend you/it is something else.

Agreed. I think we're all on the same page here. :D
Author:  SGM Baldwin [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:38 am ]
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Red piping are for NCOs only...

Officers (note the Mameluke sword)
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NCOs (note the M1859 NCO Sword, that's my baby)
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Author:  SSgt Burton [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:32 pm ]
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Red piping are for NCOs only...


Yeah... so? :wink:

(SSgt Burton)

Besides- it's not going to be a direct copy of the uniform, but a fictional interpretation of it.

Checking out the prices of that site- prolly a pipe dream anyhoo.
Author:  Tarim-rex [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:21 pm ]
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Not to start trouble, but you can get the Dress uniforms relatively cheap, they are all over eBay for under $100. And coming from a re-enactor background, I don't see the problem with wearing the uniform at a con or event. In S:AAB they wear them all the time. would you go up to someone at a con and give them crap for being in the uniform.

Also, if you made subtle changes or even drastic ones it might be cheaper than having something made.


Now wearing it around town or to a Bar might get your a$$ kicked :lol:
Author:  SGM Baldwin [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:31 pm ]
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SSgt Burton wrote:
Yeah... so? (SSgt Burton)
I was pointing out the difference to the uninitiated, jarhead. :roll:
Author:  Luinsar [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:43 pm ]
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Can you see Hudson, Vasquez or even Hicks in dress blues??


Vasquez, pretty much every night. :oops:
Author:  SSgt Burton [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:53 pm ]
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I was pointing out the difference to the uninitiated, jarhead.


Sorry Dom... no offense. :oops: :wink:

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Vasquez, pretty much every night.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  Outcry27 [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:27 pm ]
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Tarim-rex wrote:
And coming from a re-enactor background, I don't see the problem with wearing the uniform at a con or event. In S:AAB they wear them all the time. would you go up to someone at a con and give them crap for being in the uniform


Those of us coming from a military background would probably disagree with that logic :wink:. Paid actors in a TV show are one thing, they're always in character. Someone walking around a Con in my dress uniform, that's something entirely different.

I'm sure you understand that whole sentiment of having "earned" the uniform or not, but beyond that you also have to consider the fact that when you wear a current, present-day military uniform in person, as opposed to actors on TV, many people will think you actually are a member of that military branch and will judge your behavior as a reflection of that military service. Service members are taught how they are expected to conduct themselves while wearing the uniform in public and it's a matter that's taken very, very seriously, especially when it's a dress uniform being worn. In a sense, it's very much like a "character" you have to stay in until you take the uniform off again or leave the public eye.

So simply put, it's more than just whether you've "earned" the right to wear it or not - there's protocol that's expected to be followed when in uniform which, quite frankly, most civilians do not know. "No offense." :) /burke
Author:  Tarim-rex [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:08 pm ]
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I do understand all that.

but when you take all the patches off you have a black Prussian Waffenrock that has been around for ove100 years. I was saying use it as a base since you can get them pretty cheap.

If you put the USCM eagle on the one sleeve and army rank on the other, maybe the circle patch on the breast pocket, you would have a dress jacket that shouldn't be confused with a current uniform. I would go as far as switching the colors on the pants. Maybe Red with a blue or black stripe. That would avoid all confusion.
Author:  Adonis [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:08 pm ]
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The same sort of discussion came up on Stargate boards about the Air Force Blues. And while they didn't smack people, it was mostly suggested that you extremely look the part and carry yourself as an Air Force officer while in that outfit.
Author:  SSgt Burton [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:44 pm ]
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It's a touchy subject indeed.

On occasion in my USCM BDUs, I've been asked by civilians who don't know any better if I am actually in the Marines or US Army (all they see is the US flag and ssgt rank).

Not only do I tell them that I am not, I confess to them (rather sheepishly) that I'm not even an American.

I have a great deal of respect for military dress uniforms- I was in the Royal Canadian Air Cadets for 7 years during my teenage life. It's a military based youth organization that teaches military drill, leadership, citizenship, and an interest in the Canadian Armed Forces (at least the air force part :wink: ).

When I wear a military-like uniform (such as- as crazy as it sounds, my Star Trek II captain's uniform) I'm always in "military mode": Stand up straight, head held high, keep your hands out of your pockets, no leaning on walls, etc. I'm probably on my best behaviour when I play this role. But this is automatic for me after all the years of conditioning I've had.

On the other side of the fence- when I have my full battle dress gear on toting my PIG- I'm pretty rough around the edges and have to watch myself so as not to swear around the ladies and children attending the con. :wink:

I see the point that Tarim is making, (and if we go through with it) the dress uniform should be diverse enough so as not to be confused with a real set of dress blues (at the very least in the eyes of real Marines/soldiers). The general public will probably still think we are real US forces anyway- they probably confuse the new BSG uniforms as being actual military uniforms.

Maybe it shouldn't be "blue" at all- perhaps black, with black pants (retaining the red piping) and a standard white dress hat? :wink:
Author:  Adonis [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:49 pm ]
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Did Dark Horse show any type of Marine dress? I know they had some interesting ideas...
Author:  wookieegunner [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:55 pm ]
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And no offence to Dom's gorgeous flag, if we are going all out, can we redesign the EGA? To me that is the second most well known US Marine emblem (after Dress Blues), heck, it is probably more well known in all honesty.
Author:  Outcry27 [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:58 pm ]
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SSgt Burton wrote:
Maybe it shouldn't be "blue" at all- perhaps black, with black pants (retaining the red piping) and a standard white dress hat? :wink:


If I recall correctly, weren't the trousers Gorman wore with his service uniform black rather than blue anyway, with different colored piping?
Author:  Chryse [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:14 pm ]
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Let's face it: the "normals" out there don't know their rear from a hole in the ground. They'll get confused no matter what you wear.

Case in point: two years ago, a handful of my 501st garrisonmates wearing sandtrooper or tidy-white trooper armor, and myself in my biker scout armor, took the D.C. metro into town for a promotional event for Master Replicas. Since the event organizers couldn't provide us with a place to store our gear and a place to change, we all did that in the metro parking lot and rode into town, all armored up on the subway. As you can imagine we all got some attention from our fellow passengers.

On our way back at the end of the event, we were waiting for our train on the platform when some people approached us and asked us if we were with the military or something and one of us responded, "we're with the Department of Homeland Security." They believed it and walked off, content.
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