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 Post subject: AMMO Paint British 1941-42 Service Drab A mig 111
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:07 pm 
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Just placed an order on a whim. Who knows how close this will be to bess brown humbrol 170 but I had a hunch and it cost so much that its going on my Matrix pulse rifle regardless. I'll update when it arrives. Anyone tried this?


https://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-c ... drab-.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363068531456

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I’ve not used that specific shade but I have a few Mig paints and they’re are really nice to work with.

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 Post subject: ammo by MIG Jimenez brit 1941-1944 service drab
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:45 pm 
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Ive never seen real humbrol bess brown.
But I feel like I wanna paint everything this color, it's gorgeous.
The stuff doesnt look much like the online pictures though.
10 bucks shipped is also way too expensive for me , since it took the whole bottle to do this.
I will be getting shots in different lighting once my Matrix rifle is built.

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 Post subject: Re: AMMO Paint British 1941-42 Service Drab A mig 111
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:23 am 
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The British in WW2 were short of Chromium Oxide which was an essential chemical in creating the pigment for green paint... so they matched the shade of their then wartime service paint (called KG3) and created a brown colour which they referred to as SCC2 (SCC stands for Standard Camouflage Colour). It’s often referred to as ‘Service Brown’.

Green was prioritised for certain things such as aircraft etc... but soft skin vehicles etc were painted in SCC2... even American Lend Lease vehicles were repainted in SCC2...

In April (ish) 1944, the pigments were again available and the British went to SCC15 (Olive Drab) which meant that Lend Lease vehicles no longer had to be repainted...

A boring fact for you all...

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Thats cool as hell


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 Post subject: Re: AMMO Paint British 1941-42 Service Drab A mig 111
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:04 am 
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The colour looks good to me and then more I think about it the more I wonder whether they used Service Brown (which would Have been - and still is - available in quantity)... I am sure the longer serving members of this forum are correct about Brown Bess being used (a Humbrol paint colour) but you can still go and get ‘service brown’ mixed up in most paint places in the UK...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:39 pm 
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I'm now ordering some of this in the UK. Really excited as this colour looks perfect


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Ronin you may wanna get clear coat also. this paint is very fragile, however thats how i want it in this case. I can post more pics if you want. Ill also add that this stuff is a dream in an airbrush but it does dry very quickly and a bottle was barely enough for my shrouds.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:07 pm 
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I'm now ordering some of this in the UK. Really excited as this colour looks perfect


I’ve done the same. When it arrives I’ll compare it to my original Ripley Data Disc and report back.

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 Post subject: Re: AMMO Paint British 1941-42 Service Drab A mig 111
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:59 pm 
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Harry was it Brown Bess they used or is it a case that Brown Bess was believed to be the colour?

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 Post subject: mig 111 pics
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:31 pm 
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Heres some pics as it is now.

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 Post subject: Re: AMMO Paint British 1941-42 Service Drab A mig 111
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:37 pm 
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ilovethecorps wrote:
Harry was it Brown Bess they used or is it a case that Brown Bess was believed to be the colour?

Many years ago Mike Rush and I went through a bunch of Humbrol enamels and found that BB170 was a match to my screen-used Drake headset/eyepiece. Many years later I discovered that the company who made the paint for the film had in their records an 'Aliens Brown', so the assumption is that they matched the 'bulk' paint to Brown Bess as far as we know.

The original thread about this, which I'll add to once I take delivery of my Mig111, is here.

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 Post subject: MIG paint "Smart Set"
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:28 pm 
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Just noticed they make one called "British brown" too.
they sell this set, by the looks of it you could at least mix an accurate color with this set.
figured that this might be a good way to go for any of you who are also on this quest.

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 Post subject: Re: AMMO Paint British 1941-42 Service Drab A mig 111
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:45 pm 

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Thanks for this set information. I got it coming in the mail. I need to complete the optics set for spunkmeyer and the paint was holding me up!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:00 am 
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It’s certainly possible that the company in question matched Brown Bess and called it ‘Aliens Brown’. In the U.K., most paint manufacturers will still have a mix available for SCC2 / Service Brown... (British Brown, whatever you want to call it). My bet is that this is what the mix is... be interested to know, Harry.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:57 am 
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CORRECTION - There was another brown which was darker again called SCC1A, I believe... I will research the precise name of it tomorrow. So there is a difference between the browns of SCC2 and SCC1A...

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Well this is rather timely, was just doing a comparison of different paints myself as I think I've found something that's very VERY close to Brown Bess.

I've found this stuff called British Brown Bess, made by ALCLAD II (ALCE062) and it's damn near spot on. I've done comparisons with original Humbrol Brown Bess 170, Revell Nato Olive 46, Halfords Brown Camoflage Spray paint, Tamiya Brown XF-72 and The Mig-Ammo Service Drab, which I bought following a conversation with Seven on Instagram.

I used a swatch with a dab of each colour on and compared them to my Shoulder Lamp, which is Humbrol Brown Bess and my Tan coloured Snow Wolf Pulse Rifle (which is Tan/Brown, and NOT the Olive Drab version more commonly found).

I put dabs of the Humbrol and Alclad at the top and bottom, I don't think I stirred the Humbrol paint well enough when I did the first dab, as there seems to be a slight sheen on part of it.

Anyway, I'd say the ALCLAD II British Brown Bess is defintely the closest to the original.

The Mig Ammo Service Drab is very similar to the Tan colour used by Snow Wolf for their Tan/Brown, which isn't too far off the Tamiya Brown but is too light compared to actual Brown Bess.

The Revell Nato Olive, which is often suggested as an alternative to Brown Bess, appears way too Green and I don't think looks anything like it. The Halfords Brown Camoflage Spray paint was way too dark.

Anyway heres some pics, and a comparison with the Snow Wolf Tan Colour to my Brown Bess shoulder lamp for reference.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:25 pm 
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Hi all,

I've updated the archives section here with what I've posted below:

I bought a few of the Mig brand paints for further comparison to my original data disc. Once again this is just to compare each paint to the original paint on the disc.

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It should be noted that I've included everything in the photo but numbers 4, 5 and 6 aren't commercially available, but I hope they go some way to indicating just how hard it is to get this shade right - particularly in terms of numbers 5 and 6 which were made by the company who made the paint for 'Aliens', and even their two versions aren't the same!

To my eye the one made by Aliens Legacy member LDR looks the closest, but he only made up a few cans and I was lucky enough to get hold of one. Of the commercially available paints number 7; 'Alclad II ALCE062 British Brown Bess' looks very close indeed. Good spot there SimonT!

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Harry Harris wrote:
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Of the commercially available paints number 7; 'Alclad II ALCE062 British Brown Bess' looks very close indeed. Good spot there SimonT!

Harry


Thanks for that, wasn't sure if you had encountered the Alclad II British Brown Bess, so thought I'd post up my findings.

Nice to know we have something close to the original to work with now :) .


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I bought a bottle ages ago, then completely forgot to update everything with the info! It's not bad at all. I have a Yorkshire Props stunt Pulse Rifle that I'll try in the Alclad and will post results once that's done.

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Harry Harris wrote:
I bought a bottle ages ago, then completely forgot to update everything with the info! It's not bad at all. I have a Yorkshire Props stunt Pulse Rifle that I'll try in the Alclad and will post results once that's done.

Harry


I've got one of those rifles on order and will be using my tin of Humbrol on it :)

Think I might get my old airbrush out and have a practice with it first.


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might want some mineral spirit for airbrushing the humbrol enamel. I gave up airbrushing with it, I couldnt get it thin enough.At the time I bought the humbrol thinner, overpriced as hell and and a bottle wasnt enough. I heard bigbisonT had good luck with a more powerful airbrush then mine and no thinner but used a lot of tins.

Harry is there a way to scan that LDR #7 and get RAL codes or some sort of data or reference that everyone could access?
Or is that still a toss up accuracy-wise?
How would we go about making sure everyone could have it matched on their own?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:09 am 
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That Alclad looks great! Are there any retailers in the USA? So far I'm not seeing any.

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Well done there Harry... Nice visual on the range of colours

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Thanks ilovethecorps. :)

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Harry is there a way to scan that LDR #7 and get RAL codes or some sort of data or reference that everyone could access?

There's a place in my home town that I could contact - they make custom car paints so it's likely this is something they can do, but remember the Ripley Data Disk is painted with the original paint as it was planned to be used in the film, so the most accurate scan would be of that - not the LDR sample. I just have find the time to get this done, and to check that it can be scanned while I'm there of course as I wouldn't want to leave it with them.

I don't know if they'd provide colour codes though (I have no experience of doing this). If they did that would mean I could take that information and go to another supplier so they'd lose trade. I'll ask of course though. I may, if this is a success, be able to have spray-cans made up for folks in the UK but it's difficult (and expensive) to have paint sent overseas so that's where the RAL numbers etc. would be useful.

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