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| Author: | knoxvilles_joker [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Question on smart gunner lower groin armor |
I am reading up on things and it appears that the lower torso armor on the smart gunner was a surplus M-53 lower torso armor piece or more common called a Flak Diaper. Does anyone have one, and if so could someone provide measurements on one so I can make a less costly replica? |
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| Author: | gman666 [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question on smart gunner lower groin armor |
Where did you read this? I have never seen pics of this. Thanks! Greg |
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| Author: | gman666 [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question on smart gunner lower groin armor |
Are you talking about the front of the pouch belt? I am not 100% familiar with the smartgunner costume. I know looking at my NECA toy you can see this. Attachment: Slide1.JPG [ 133.3 KiB | Viewed 3007 times ] I have never seen actual pics of it. Take the toy with a grain of salt as they simplified that armor when compared to actual. Thanks! Greg |
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| Author: | knoxvilles_joker [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question on smart gunner lower groin armor |
I was reading up on specs on the armor used in Vietnam. Flak Diapers were used by pilots and others that needed to protect their lower parts. Generally folks just sat on their flak vests if it was a concern as the flak diapers were so well universally hated. The belt or lower armor piece as it were appears to have its origins from the flak diaper, but it was substantially altered. In the various interviews it was said that they were duct taped to the armor on the bottom and once they were in there, they were in there. The m53 lower torso complemented the m69 upper armor piece. Granted they were only good at stopping shrapnel and flying debre and not bullets. |
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| Author: | gman666 [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question on smart gunner lower groin armor |
So you do not know it was in the movie? As I stated I have never seen pics of it. Maybe modified on the pouch belt but not full. As you can see from pics the groin was not covered during the movie unless you can find others. Attachment: Slide1.JPG [ 232.71 KiB | Viewed 2995 times ] Attachment: Slide2.JPG [ 185.08 KiB | Viewed 2995 times ] Thanks! Greg |
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| Author: | knoxvilles_joker [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question on smart gunner lower groin armor |
as far as I could tell with the armor functionality, the front piece was not the full deal but part of one. I was trying to deep dive on the history of part of the costume. Just from the angles I saw it looked close from the front. |
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| Author: | SimonT [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:59 am ] |
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I didn't think Drake or Vasquez wore lower groin armour, as far as I am aware it was just the standard BDUs with a flack vest? |
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| Author: | knoxvilles_joker [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:03 am ] |
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SimonT wrote: I didn't think Drake or Vasquez wore lower groin armour, as far as I am aware it was just the standard BDUs with a flack vest? the belt part had some cover in the front, but not enough to qualify. |
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| Author: | bigbisont [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:15 pm ] |
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Yeah, sorry man. I am pretty unconvinced as well. As stated in the other thread, extra padding was added for comfort/cover-up of recognizable parts, then wrapped in duct tape. There isn't one piece of movie evidence to suggest it was more complicated than that. Citing the use of them paired with the M69 vest in Vietnam also does nothing for the argument because Vazquez didn't even wear an M69, so there is nothing to pair up. Nothing covered their buttocks nor groin area in any scene. I just don't see it. *(Side note, the NECA interpretation with pouches isn't accurate either. They must have just assumed that area should 'do something' and ran with it. Lets not forget that NECA also gave the long disproved "haversack" bag to the Frost figure, likely because it was more interesting to look at than an accurate rectangle bag. NECA has improved greatly in this area, but still has a long history of doing things that they think look cool over accuracy). Overall, of course you can rig your gear up however you like, so go nuts. I just think the solution to your quest is far simpler than your current inclination. |
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| Author: | M1861 [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question on smart gunner lower groin armor |
The only thing visible in the movie is the hip padding off of the Mk 3A vest, if there are any signs of duct tape or adjustments on Vasquez's vest, that's because it had to be cut down and significantly altered in order to fit her properly (so much so that the vest was later deemed too badly damaged for salvage after the shooting was over) |
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| Author: | knoxvilles_joker [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question on smart gunner lower groin armor |
M1861 wrote: The only thing visible in the movie is the hip padding off of the Mk 3A vest, if there are any signs of duct tape or adjustments on Vasquez's vest, that's because it had to be cut down and significantly altered in order to fit her properly (so much so that the vest was later deemed too badly damaged for salvage after the shooting was over) That part I was not aware of. I am still trying to uncover stuff and find things out. Lack of information unfortunately causes me to go on tangents that serve no good purpose as was the case here. |
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| Author: | septic [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:39 pm ] |
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s'all good fulla, it's important to ask these questions sorts of questions. Sparks healthy debate and helps keep the forum alive 
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| Author: | seven [ Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:14 pm ] | |||
| Post subject: | check this out | |||
check this out. not super clear but its somethin.
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