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Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?
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Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... U0Dfe4dHj4

Take off a few parts and add a custom eyecup gasket and then do a moulded overlay to hide some of the ugly parts and it almost looks as if that would actually slide over the stub shaft from the megatron scope.

Author:  smrtazzsmrtgnnr [ Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:24 am ]
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Honestly, seems a bit small and wrong shape, though I see where you're coming from.

Also, found 'em a bit cheaper on the flea bay... just a though if you're still headed that direction.

Author:  seven [ Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:57 am ]
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not for 80 bucks it doesnt... I think you could find better for cheaper

Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?

That was the easiest one I could find. Not the cheapest. If I remember correctly the prism periscopes were used to test lighting conditions for camera and film.

Author:  seven [ Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:25 pm ]
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oh so you want it to actually function as an eyepiece and not just look the part?
Also what about a tiny acreen in there connected to a camera output?
https://tinycircuits.com/products/tinyscreen

Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:12 pm ]
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seven wrote:
oh so you want it to actually function as an eyepiece and not just look the part?
Also what about a tiny acreen in there connected to a camera output?
https://tinycircuits.com/products/tinyscreen


That was not on the market the last time I looked. Some of this stuff I put on the shelf as I am waiting for a new product to come out that makes things possible.

Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?

Initial research indicates that this is not doable with a live camera feed. The translations and streaming nature requires more power than 8Mhz can provide. A raspberry pi can do something like this. The problem is that on the ultra small screens things have not standardized or become common yet. i2C and SPI are the only control options for both the PI and Arduino and you are limited with rendering communications speed/performance.

I do have a demo concept of an ad-hoc wireless setup between two raspberry pis. I have found that the OS upgrades and everything else with the streams are so painful that I would prefer to not go down that route. I had a sleep issue that I am still sorting through as the latest Raspbian Wheezy updates seem to break portions of the VLC RTSP streaming and streamer pieces. I will probably redo it as a direct ethernet to ethernet crossover cable setup.

So far a vufine or hacked vufine would be a better option for me.

Author:  septic [ Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:33 am ]
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I've a vufine (specifically bought for a SG headset). Don't buy the mk1, it's naff.

Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:57 am ]
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septic wrote:
I've a vufine (specifically bought for a SG headset). Don't buy the mk1, it's naff.


Vufine said as much on their site.

Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?

As far as the cameras go this stuff should work:

https://www.edmundoptics.com/f/Micro-Vi ... ies/13898/
https://www.edmundoptics.com/f/5mm-spac ... nt2/38545/
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... mm_cs.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?N ... av-Search=

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... amera.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... _lens.html


https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... g_sdi.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... _lens.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... ll_hd.html

Author:  M1861 [ Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?

The first camera link looks about right, slightly too tall but it should fit between the Kawasaki struts. The cameras that follow are unfortunately way too big

Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?

M1861 wrote:
The first camera link looks about right, slightly too tall but it should fit between the Kawasaki struts. The cameras that follow are unfortunately way too big


I will be micrometering things out in coming days.

Author:  Dropshipbob [ Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:55 pm ]
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Even if you could get an eye piece with a working screen, it would be way to close to the eye for the wearer to be able to make anything out on it.

Author:  M1861 [ Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?

knoxvilles_joker: no need to measure again, if you want to stick with dimensions of the original gun mounted camera, then your working camera should be 38mm wide and 29 mm tall at maximum. There's about 52mm of clearance between the struts (at the point where they are joined together by the top mounted tube)

Author:  seven [ Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:32 pm ]
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its the future bro


https://learn.adafruit.com/diy-wearable ... s/assembly

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Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:17 pm ]
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Dropshipbob wrote:
Even if you could get an eye piece with a working screen, it would be way to close to the eye for the wearer to be able to make anything out on it.


Correct. I would have to play with aspects and that research portion will be very costly. The ultra small screens in hd resolutions are a special novelty interest at this point. OSD face displays and HUD type pop up displays as would be the case with the eye cup are an emerging market.

The tech in aliens is just NOW becoming a reality. I am only trying to show what is possible and be true to the image in the movie.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... proof.html

Given the size stats. I will have to go with a non auto iris camera.

Author:  septic [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:16 am ]
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For $500+ a camera, I'd wanna know [guaranteed] that it'd be fit for purpose ... that's an unreasonable amount of coin to sink into a project if there's any doubt that it'll do the job.

Personally, I'm trying to do the same on a limited budget; at the moment, am investigating sub-$60 wifi [P2P] cameras (from BangGood / Aliexpress / etc) with a view to peering with my phone & then outputting to the Vufine ... shooould work ...

Author:  seven [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:54 am ]
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Dudes that adacruit eye-cam can ise any camera. even a 10 dollar chnese menu item.
I know im talking out of my ass but how cool would it be to do a RUN of smargun eyepieces with a cam that had wifi for use with phone or gopro. godamn. Plus this tech is dropping in price by the month.

Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:49 am ]
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seven wrote:
Dudes that adacruit eye-cam can ise any camera. even a 10 dollar chnese menu item.
I know im talking out of my ass but how cool would it be to do a RUN of smargun eyepieces with a cam that had wifi for use with phone or gopro. godamn. Plus this tech is dropping in price by the month.


The problem I run into at cons and commercial spaces with wifi is over saturation of the spectrum. You have 3 channels on 2.4ghz that does not overlap. 1, 6, 11. In other countries you have channels 12 and 13, but do not use those even if you can if your AO is not licensed to use those out of band frequencies. I literally run into wireless collisions and conflicts and the protocols being used do not have a means to handle reconnections when disrupted. I had to rebuild my adhoc wireless setup and literally could not get some issues ironed out due to sleep mode issues. But the bigger issue I had was when wireless collisions occurred the whole thing went bonkers.

I build my equipment for rock solid reliability. Consumer grade wireless options are out of the question due to chronic problems with todays dense wireless deployments and setups.

I had longer term plans to get a wireless site survey system setup so that I could argue things more concretely with solid facts as at this point it is only observed facts and symptoms that I work with at this point. Some folks require substantial convincing that they need to spend money on a new deployment setup as the expense for a proper wireless site survey and installation of a new reliable wireless deployment solution is not inconsequential. This was for side jobs that I would get every now and then. The surveys would allow for proper placement of access points so that minimal wall and ceiling penetrations are needed to make things work.

I am going with commercial grade/ broadcast grade equipment as these issues have bene sorted out and hammered out with these setups. I am also trying to go with solutions that do not require me to get additional licensing and do not interfere with installed hardware at a given venue. UHV/VHF frequencies are good in this regards. 2.4/5ghz wireless is a mixed bag and you need to go with units that have adapted protocols that can deal with substantial interference.

The newer standards handle this, but that is not something built-in to a raspberry pi. Beam forming requires multiple antennas. Beam forming was the solution to deal with multi-path distortion that exists in many current wireless deployments. and got built-in to the new wireless standards and APs.

Cheap solutions can work, but you get what you pay for. Factor in too that I know enough about wireless to hate and not like it. And enough to know to be an annoyance when I start pointing out facts.

I am also trying to build this out as a zero programming solution so it is literally a drop in solution that does not require any programming vastly simplifying the setup for those that are technically inclined but are very much mechanically inclined.

I am building and specing out the setup so that broadcasters can directly use the feeds for whatever TV feeds they need or for con organizers to have a cool prop view of the con as they deem that they need.

Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?

This unit might fit but might require some coaxing to fit:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... amera.html

Author:  seven [ Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:12 pm ]
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A mobius camera could work, I have one Id sell.
its all open source.

https://www.mobius-actioncam.com/

Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:42 am ]
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seven wrote:
A mobius camera could work, I have one Id sell.
its all open source.

https://www.mobius-actioncam.com/


That is out of scope for what I am looking for. That is a compact action camera. I am looking for a studio grade camera with the other bits that entails.

Author:  M1861 [ Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?

knoxvilles_joker wrote:
This unit might fit but might require some coaxing to fit:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... amera.html


I don't know about coaxing, the specs say it is 56x56mm, so way too big for the Smartgun

Author:  knoxvilles_joker [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does this look like a base for the smartgunner eyecup?

M1861 wrote:
knoxvilles_joker wrote:
This unit might fit but might require some coaxing to fit:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... amera.html


I don't know about coaxing, the specs say it is 56x56mm, so way too big for the Smartgun


I did more digging and I will have to go with the smaller unit. I am finding that they made the appearance of functionality in the film.

Honestly the technology is just now becoming common enough to make the movie magic real world functional and not just magic.

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