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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:00 pm 
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I daresay you nailed it, Rob. That looks to be very, very close to the ones seen on-screen.


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Balls, one of those came with my helmet and I chucked it...... FUCK

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:04 am 
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I don't know. To me that one looks toooo look big. I see the screen ones as only slightly wider than modern ones while that one is gigantic! Could just be me I suppose.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:19 am 
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If you have a look at this picture, you'll notice a distinct stripe texture on the helmet band and it looks even lighter in color:

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I suppose there's every possibility they were made...

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http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ ... fo-needed/

Kinda matches the one in the 'bay auction. For what it's worth...

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The texture on those bands does make it look like it's an elastic material, whereas the one on the eBay link and TacBlue's link is definitely a cotton weave material.

The pertinent question would be 'what is the width'.

Then it comes down to scaling the picture above to the known size of the pentax lens, and going from there.

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And having done that quickly, I get the band width to be in the region of 17mm, taking the known scale of the pentax lens to be 34mm across.
Please feel free to double check that.

Because if we can't find them, then they have to be made.

And from that, if it's elastic, and it's 'stretched' a little, the width of the elastic is likely to be 20mm in it's unstretched state. I'd need to do some stretch checks to confirm this.

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Lads - I'll check the theory from the link tacblue found... In that link they talk about British WW2 'Tortoise Shell' MKIII helmet chin straps which were khaki and elasticated... And would be about in abundance in both khaki and green in the UK in the 1980s because they were issue chin straps (they changed to a MKVI helmet which was just a change of liner etc but the same shape shell) for non airborne forces until the 1980s when they began being phased out for the Kevlar lids...

I have a MKIII... I'll post some pics of the chin strap...

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We're getting somewhere fast! :)


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:40 am 
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I've just been to my kit cupboard and dug out my MKIII helmet (dated 1943)... I also have a quick release tank crew helmet chin strap... Attached is a picture of each type...

The longest is 21" long... The straps are 1" wide...

I'm wondering if one of these would be long enough to go round an M1? They do look very taught on the movie used ones...

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I'm not sure the weave is correct on the British helmet chin straps...

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I'm with Chef in that the screen used one in the pic looks like a length of elastic, not woven material.

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17mm-20mm Elastic band? Sounds and looks like it's regular 3/4 inch Elastic strapping that's been weathered.

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That looks right but how would the elastic be dyed to that colour? Will it even take a dye?

*edit* - I note it be obtained in different colours... Doh...

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You might be able to soak it in coffee too.

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Or tea, the old way of aging things. ;-)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:30 pm 
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for my 1/6th guys, I used white elastic and spray painted it khaki. It has held up very well. Not sure how that would hold up in full sized form, but the paint doesn't come out of clothing. I don't see why it wouldn't be OK.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:29 pm 
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The trouble is to find one with the correct number of stripes. :mrgreen:

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Stefan... are you implying we are stitch counting? ;-)

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I ran to the fabric store this morning and grabbed some good candidates. You'll want knit not woven, woven has the lines going the wrong way...

They only had tan in 1", so I'll experiment in cutting that down, and I got 3/4" in white so I'll try some different aging options.

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So here are the results of my experiments!

First we have straight-up tan elastic, cut down to 3/4ths of an inch. It has not been weathered at all:

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Here we have white elastic soaked overnight in coffee. This was a much stiffer elastic material than the tan.

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I think the coffee stained one is the better of the two, but there is a "ribbed" quality in the original that these elastic samples lack. Each individual line (running horizontally across the helmet band) looks thicker or more chubby on the original. The bands are there though, at it is possible that with more careful weathering they could be made to be more pronounced.

So while I think elastic is the answer, it isn't as simple as running to the fabric store. You may need to do some looking around to find a real match.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:24 pm 
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Or ask a soft goods designer with many connections overseas....

I can get it made with the correct width,number of ribs, color, etc.


Looks more like "ribbed cotton webbing" vs. knit elastic.


The width can be confirmed based on the known diameter of the pentax.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:48 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:56 pm 
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Noble helmet band - I like the idea! 8)

Judging from Retrograde's pictures, I'd say 3/4" is still too wide. My guess would be more like 16mm or 5/8".

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More Noble goodies?

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