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 Post subject: Project Dropship in 1:24 scale
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:41 pm 
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I´ve started my work at the "functional" paper UD-4L Cheyenne Utility Dropship in 1:24 scale. It is long way run project

Do you know more?

main thread at papermodelers

http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/alternate-dimensions/29052-project-dropship-1-24-aliens.html

and mirror thread at zealot

http://zealot.com/threads/project-dropship-1-24-aliens.177195/

Every note or specific question is welcome.

feel free for comment....Thanks Jan
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:40 pm 
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few new pics from Sulaco bay..:)

front holders

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the holding mechanism (eye & hook solution)

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rear dropship holder

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Fuel hoses holders...there is no clear image of how look the end of it...the Fuel gun is missing.
In the stage 1:1 model is nothing in the end of the hoses(?).
there is exist one sketch of fuel guns and operational arms in never realised movie scene

fueling the dropship...

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I ´ve merged the stage dropship instalation model and sketch above and become this..

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for better imagination..here is the video capture 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqATA47zs4s&feature=youtu.be

and few renders..... :shock:

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next step is to thing where the hell are the fuel intakes at the Dropship :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:40 pm 
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Wow, are you making the bay/arm/thingy available too?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:17 pm 
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88reaper88 - Maybe in next level. :wink:

At first I want to know how and where are various things attached to the hull of the dropship...where are entrance points of holders, fuel, external electricity and so on...like in the case of planes :D ...i can decode most of those things from external instalations surrounding the dropship. 8) ..that´s why M drawing the Sulaco Bay :lol:

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If it's designed like a real aircraft then all those point with be small hatches/flaps with stencilled markings on. As far as I'm aware the movie one only had warnings for the armaments and the odd "no step" and "moving surface" type stencils.
*I could be wrong on that though.

I'd say you can make your own up going off where the tubes etc are on the 1:1 bay pictures.

Also those arms with the tubes on may be for a different vehicle all together.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:20 pm 
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88reaper88 you are right. Most of the markings are small moving plates/hatches.. few of then you can see opened in few shots in the movie.
the other decals are warning signs..just like you wrote..warnings, dangers, elevations, jet blasts, engine intakes and my alltime favourite No steps :lol:

its a pity that the fueling of the dropship has not been completed.

Abou the Sulaco bay and it´s equipment. I think that this bay was specificly done for Dropships only (Cheyenne utility UD-4*** production row).
...most of the hardware has not moveable (optional) parts..I mean that this whole place was build bespoke. USS SULACO has different types of hangars,
but not that sofisticated as the dropship bay with its pressure chamber mechanism)

.... in this case (and othe cases)I´m filling the unknown with my fan fiction

(for what is this hardware made?...is the typical question :lol: )

Ilike to think about the hardware in the set (sulaco bay, colony ect...)and make some good explanation for what is this for?
all that rocket holders, cranes, chains....
If this is satisfactorily explained for me , then my deviation is satiated :lol:
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The same process I´ve applied to fueling and Pods of the dropship :wink:

look at this hi res pic: :delta:

http://www.sulaco.cz/dropship-fuel-schematics.jpg

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ad A) this is decals layout from the movie...grabbed from dropship models and movie 1:1 instalation....there is JP12 mark few times.

-and here comes my fan fiction -

which i suppose is Military Jet Fuel.
JP12 is folower of known row of jet fuels today..which ends with JP10.....it is nice coincidence..or FX crew or James Cameron knew something? 8)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

ad B) This is my addon to decals family with my own brand decals for Fuel input hatches and for mechanism
which is holding the rocket pod attached to the moveable arm.

ad C) Here is explained everything about pods :lol:

ad D) Here is a pic of the fuel tanks layout trough the dropship ...on right side is FUEL VENT schematics of the tube
which filling the fuel from tank to tak trough lockable rings...on the left side is view with "new"opened inputs.

I think that THIS is something useful from what we can bounce. :D and build functional world...ALIENS world :mrgreen:
(and i can build my Dropship :lol: :lol: :lol: )

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:04 pm 
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Willie Goldman has posted lots of pics of the film models in the past, but searching on here many now ask for a login, which I think is because his web site's been updated, so maybe send him a PM?

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 Post subject: Re: Project Dropship in 1:24 scale
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:25 pm 
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I have an access 4 days or so.... :wink: thanks.... Willie contacted me first :shock:
...and Graham a.k.a Space Jockey "is some kind of consultant" :lol:

in the archived pics is nothing about the fueling the dropship..that´s why m constructing the fiction :)...the way if it is acceptable is up to you (all) personally.

technical cooments will be great 8)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:41 pm 
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Thought you might have. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Project Dropship in 1:24 scale
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:32 am 
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I think locating the fuel inlets on the top and sides is a good idea; particularly the top as if there is one there it can be refueled in-flight like fighter jets are with the tankers? I don't know if I would put on in the pods; to me it seems like pods are for the missiles / armament only; putting a fuel inlet in the same area as a rocket-propelled missile just seems like a safety issue to me, but then I know little about fighter jets etc and the like.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:34 am 
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We're also assuming it needs fuel..... ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:22 pm 
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i´ve involved my friend into our "thing" :twisted:
He is MI-24 Helicopter czech military technician and I´ve consulted the dropship fuel management idea (that big picture) with him...in real world borders of course :wink:

He is OK with it.
There is no problem with the fuel inlet and fuel tank near rockets. Arcrafts have fuel tanks in wings and under them rockets and bombs.
There is no problem even with the external fuel tank (that bomb shape thingy) together with the rocket on one rocket holder under the wing.
He likes the idea of inner separated fuel tanks.It´s nothing new, Mi-24 has multiple fuel tanks with switches and pumps between them...

He has one note: The blue "pod fuel tank" is mess in opening the arms. 2x2000 Litres rotated in long arm is little incomfortable. Center of gravity is rapidly changing and
the arm itself looks not very solid :D . Its a movie ..He knows.(and we don´t know the weight of the fuel...maybe is lighter than today´s fuels...who knows...)
There is one solution. Fuel management. Fuel for burning will be taken from pods first... The reentry maneuvre consume both external POD tanks for sure :)

He think that the concept of the dropship and our fan fiction of scifi fiction of the creators (Ron Cobb?) of this craft is righ according to Aliens world combined with the aspect to real world.
............this way I thank him :wink:



I don´think that the dropship is suitable for fueling in flight from another craft. Dropship is multirole aircraft...it is fast strike and take off vehicle and cargo craft. :mrgreen: It doesn´t need to be fuelled in the middle of action...in my opinion 8)
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I´ve applied the changes into the model...then

closed hatches

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opened hatches

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..and the dropship looks like a clown :)

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I'm assuming we'll need to make the leg struts from something strong like dowels/plastic rod?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:14 pm 
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little progress .....

thermal plating

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stratospheric engines :D

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:47 pm 
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...four vectorized exhausts

4 hours of work... and after four unsuccesful shape variants :twisted:

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.....loading ramp rough idea...: :lol:

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that´s all folks ....for now 8)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:41 pm 
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little somerhing...

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and tiles counting :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:40 pm 
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and..one video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L80QDiWtoUU&feature=youtu.be

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:34 pm 
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little more :)

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"pillar of light" ...it was really hard to obtain it´s specific dimensions

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the Sulaco bay corner :)

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quick renders of the whole thing

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and one quick render video...in HD ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1B1HalhZsU&feature=youtu.be

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:38 pm 
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Thanks Conrad :wink:

I am completely insane...creating the Sulaco bay :eek:

today..the READY ROOM entrance :)

far view..

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closer...

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and one for comparation... :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:18 pm 
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after some serious measurements I´ve done the Cargo Lock door 21.:)

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And side gates...

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camera looking trough the READY RM (marines running to the APC here).

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and overall view :rolleyes:

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Excellent levels of detail!

Will the bay be available to build?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:13 pm 
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Will the bay be available to build?

..In second wave maybe :wink: ....after the dropship :delta:

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