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 Post subject: Re: Hand welder nozzles
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:58 pm 
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thats brilliant, I'm going to watch and see who actually makes a working version now

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Resurrecting this thread as I figured I would toss in the info I recently posted in the PX. The discussion there is very much in line with this thread (and resulting side discussion not necessarily relevant to PX rules!). So I am resurrecting this thread with the new info and transferring over the discussion.

So the main updates are the following Interlas brand part#s. The torch is still around and appears unchanged in the 30+ years it has been around.

The key parts ("bare bones" minimum parts that are visible in the prop) are as follows:
-0315048 121 Torch Body
-0315041 Short Back Cap
-0315050 Handle
-0315037 7/16” Bore Gas Cup
-0315049 Seal Washer

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:36 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:53 pm 
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Noble, is that Plastruct bit the LF-312 or LF-316?

Also seconding Terran's question about the trigger and model kit piece. Is the white model kit piece from the 1/72 Axoid Changer?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:01 pm 
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Very interested in this but really don't think I can afford it.

Have a question re 'firing' the [real] welder prop; there's no actual trigger, right? Would the flame have been activated from the off-screen tig control unit? Excuse my ignorance for all things welding-related.

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Have a question re 'firing' the [real] welder prop; there's no actual trigger, right? Would the flame have been activated from the off-screen tig control unit? Excuse my ignorance for all things welding-related.


Depends how fancy their equipment was. Some of the cheaper TIG welders (or 'Stick" machines being used to TIG) you need to 'scratch start'. The torch has a small stick of tungsten running from the cap through the center of the nozzle and sticking out a bit. You 'fire' it by turning the machine on and then giving it a little scrape against the base metal and back off. The arc then fires and is maintained. Some machines refined that into a "lift start" where you don't need to scratch it anymore and can simply touch it and lift up a bit.

Some of the more feature rich machines can fire without first making contact. You just need to get close enough for the electrical arc to jump. The torch can be turned on via a 'remote' wired to the machine. The 2 most popular remotes are foot pedals (just like a sewing machine, stomp it to run fast and run hot, just ease on it a bit to keep the amperage nice and low) or a fingertip control that is usually a slider or a wheel that is strapped to the torch handle on the business end. Those kind of remotes are best as it not only 'turns on' the torch, but also allows you a great amount of control over your heat on the fly without having to stop what you are doing and adjusting your amperage at the machine itself.

For the purposes of the film, they could easily have scratch started them, but they are hollywood big shots, they could have had remotes too. Hard to say.

Which reminds me, I do believe they did have the torches hooked up 'live' in the cutting scenes. Notice how you never see the bottom (where the cables would be hanging from the handle) in those scenes. Also I noticed this pic the other day. His nozzle and back cap are backward!

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The finger grooves indicate the "front" facing welding, but the back cap is facing forward. 2 possible explanations:
-1. It was a 'stunt' welder. Someone didnt notice when they molded it and all the stunt welders are jacked up.
-2. They removed the caps and nozzles to slide the assembly out the bottom. When they needed a live one, they ran a full torch up in the body and when they needed it hang from a belt, they ran the 'bare bones' in the assembly. In this case they ran their bare bones backwards by mistake in this scene.

just theories but I like the idea of #2. With the way the cables attach to the handle (not made for quick disconnects), it would make sense.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:56 am 
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Very nice, thank you :)
Yes, been meaning to rewatch the welding scene ...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:27 am 
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Yeah i have noticed this in the live welding scenes. Especially when hicks and ripley are in a scene together just before he gives her the locater watch i believe. You dont see the bottom of the torch and the way he puts it down by his side there is obviously a cable attached.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:06 pm 
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Closeup of the LF-316 plastruct bit.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:32 pm 
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If you look closer near the sprinkler in the lab scene this kind of plastruct bit (316/312) is also used.

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Noble, what is the black bit under the Plastruct lamp you have there?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:05 pm 
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IIRC the black part is an internal of the Hama Grip that was used on the left side of the welder.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:28 pm 
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Bug Stomper wrote:
IIRC the black part is an internal of the Hama Grip that was used on the left side of the welder.

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You wouldn't happen to know of a tutorial on how to safely get inside/modify the grip to accept the welder bits, would you? :oops: :lol:

My grip cost me about $150, I'd hate to screw it up

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:47 pm 
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It was so long ago....I don't remember how opening it.

Awesome to see that one coming up for auction.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:10 pm 
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The disassembly of the grip is pretty straightforward if I remember correctly:
- Remove the lever on right side of the grip by pushing out the tiny axle (don't loose the spring)
- Remove the slotted hinge screw on the left side of the Grip and push out the counterpart/nut to the right
- Remove the hinge part
- Remove the three Phillips screws on the right side and Bod's your uncle ;)

No glued parts that I remember.

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Excellent... need something small and pokey to push out the pin on the lever, and try not to damage the plastic haha

Thanks Stefan!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:59 am 
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Closeup of the LF-316 plastruct bit.

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Pretty sure that's an LF-312, I think the LF-316 is on the right side.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:22 am 
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Nice spot, Moosh!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:26 pm 
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Yep - nice spot!
I thought that was just the screw with the slot filled with putty. However, on closer inspection the screw head is too small.

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PS: The acrylic dome - is it white or transparent?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:08 pm 
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Bug Stomper wrote:
Yep - nice spot!
I thought that was just the screw with the slot filled with putty. However, on closer inspection the screw head is too small.

Cheers,
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PS: The acrylic dome - is it white or transparent?


Plastruct says CLEAR but I think the Propstore welder had a coat of light grey primer before painting.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:12 pm 
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Those who can read have a clear advantage! :roll:
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Done some more measuring and found that the bit here is NOT an LF-316:

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Whatever it is, it is closer to 15mm diameter and has a concaved top like whatever the static "red button" is:

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The "Red Button" appears smaller at about 9mm (I think).

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Totally random but how did they do the functioning shots in the movie? Watched again last night while working on my brother's PR.


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Zerocool1028 wrote:
Totally random but how did they do the functioning shots in the movie? Watched again last night while working on my brother's PR.


Probably just a cast shell built around a functioning torch.


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Done some more measuring and found that the bit here is NOT an LF-316:

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Whatever it is, it is closer to 15mm diameter and has a concaved top like whatever the static "red button" is:

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The "Red Button" appears smaller at about 9mm (I think).



Did you check the Model Kits used for the Dropship Helmet or Gateway Shuttle? Might be a part from there.

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