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| Author: | capn thrag [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:06 am ] |
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i have been wondering during the scene in aliens after the first encounter wen everyone has made it back to hadlets hope wen hudson says 4 more weeks and out is he refering to him only having 4 weeks till he can leave the core or is it in referance to how long till they are rescued |
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| Author: | Scapey [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:16 am ] |
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It's til he can leave the Corps... There's a few references to Hudson being a conscript in the film - Apone telling him "I don't care if you ARE short, Hudson, get it done!" in the hangar bay, and he does say in the speech you mentioned "Oh man, and I was getting short!" Also, have a look at his helmet  He has a short-timer calendar on there in black marker. |
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| Author: | capn thrag [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:20 am ] |
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If anyone should of known the answer to my question i should have known you would scapey cheers its always been something i wondered about |
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| Author: | J2H [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:26 am ] |
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wouldn't a volunteer also have a end of service date? |
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| Author: | Shock Wave [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:30 am ] |
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Yes they would, and I don't have to tell you that draftees aren't the only ones that get excited about getting out of the military. |
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| Author: | Scapey [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:31 am ] |
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Fair enough Same answer to the original question, anyway! |
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| Author: | J2H [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:48 am ] |
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I know just not sure if one joins the Marines or is drafted |
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| Author: | Scapey [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:53 am ] |
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Possibly both - The novelisation ( IIRC ) has Vasquez and Drake in the corps as an alternative to prison... |
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| Author: | SGT KITTEN [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:33 am ] |
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I had the feeling that they were all "volunteers." Even in the current US military, you can join instead of going to prison. (Yes, just need a semi-nice judge who thinks you could improve by serving). And everyone I know who got out was always looking forward to the day. I know I had a countdown when I got short.Charlie |
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| Author: | SSgt Burton [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hudson question |
According to Jenette Goldstein, part of Drake and Vasquez's backstories were they were "recruited" from juvenile prison where they were serving life sentences. So technically they volunteered as well, as Charlie suspected. Another bit of trivia- Hudson was coming to the end of a ten year term of service (which is why he freaked)... So how the hell do you manage to go ten years without being promoted beyond PFC?  Kevin |
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| Author: | cosmo_kraemer [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:05 am ] |
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well with how his Character is i can see it. get picked up and then busted down.but 10 years now-a-days you would get the boot after 6 i think for E-3 and below. |
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| Author: | SGT KITTEN [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hudson question |
SSgt Burton wrote: According to Jenette Goldstein, part of Drake and Vasquez's backstories were they were "recruited" from juvenile prison where they were serving life sentences. So technically they volunteered as well, as Charlie suspected. Another bit of trivia- Hudson was coming to the end of a ten year term of service (which is why he freaked)... So how the hell do you manage to go ten years without being promoted beyond PFC? Kevin Wow. I thought he was doing a standard four and out. Yeah, even screwing up and being busted back down you'd get past E-2 Specially if you were a tech, as Hudson obviously was.Charlie |
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| Author: | SGM Baldwin [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:37 am ] |
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SSgt Burton wrote: So how the hell do you manage to go ten years without being promoted beyond PFC? 1. Being a smart-mouth wise-ass like he was. 2. Being unmotivated to advance. 3. Court-martial sentence reducing in rank. |
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| Author: | Ttaskmaster [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:40 pm ] |
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Frost refers to this as a job, so I'd also suggest that these guys are employed under contract. Work must be scarce too, as the only job Ripley could find was apparently driving the Loaders. I'm guessing the corporate world controls a lot of such things. |
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| Author: | retrogarde [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:53 pm ] |
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Ripley's situation is a bit unique as she had a pretty damning psych eval in her record. If you read through the crew dossiers from her ICC meeting it becomes clear the Company puts a lot of stock in those sorts of tests. They also clearly like prescribing drugs to their employees to make them better workers. The USCM and WY are not the same thing obviously (our Marines were sent in by the Colonial Administration, WY just tagged along due to their monetary interest), but one wonders how pervasive this sort of thing is in the 2170's. Also, does service time include cryo? While things have certainly gotten faster between Alien and Aliens, there must still be colonies that take longer to get to. Those weeks and months would start to add up I'd think. |
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| Author: | cosmo_kraemer [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:17 pm ] |
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Yes cryo would have to count. its just like when a navy ship now has to transit from State side to the Gulf. and yes all service members sign a contract it can be from 4 years up to 6 first time. and then can get longer if you want it to be. like i have signed two 4 year and a 7 month extension. Also the you think WY would want to keep Ripley under there microscope and have her near them so that could be why she is still on Gateway. |
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| Author: | companyman [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:47 pm ] |
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This is why I think hyperdrive is faster than Ridley Scott indicated in Alien/Prometheus, simply because a military would not be able to function as they do in Aliens. You send a marine unit on a 2-year trip to attack an enemy stronghold, they spend 6 months clearing that out, then 2-years back, only to find the "war" actually ended 18 months after they first left! That would also mean in theory that a Marine, thanks to cryo, may actually end his service in the tubes on the way to the conflict! How much chaos would ensue if you could only send Marines that were not due to end their term on the way, or even during anticipated hostilities after arrival? |
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| Author: | Scapey [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:30 pm ] |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forever_War |
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| Author: | companyman [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hudson question |
Ripley asks the question. "How long after we're declared overdue can we expect a rescue?" Hicks thinks carefully. "November next year" |
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| Author: | SGT KITTEN [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:46 am ] |
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companyman wrote: This is why I think hyperdrive is faster than Ridley Scott indicated in Alien/Prometheus, simply because a military would not be able to function as they do in Aliens. You send a marine unit on a 2-year trip to attack an enemy stronghold, they spend 6 months clearing that out, then 2-years back, only to find the "war" actually ended 18 months after they first left! That would also mean in theory that a Marine, thanks to cryo, may actually end his service in the tubes on the way to the conflict! How much chaos would ensue if you could only send Marines that were not due to end their term on the way, or even during anticipated hostilities after arrival? Even in the military today, they just keep you going. Involuntary extension. It happens. We used to have short timers show up on my boat. They made the whole patrol if they ran out while we were deployed. Sometime they could catch a break and hop the mail boat but not always. You sign up and become government property. Charlie |
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| Author: | companyman [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:26 am ] |
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SGT KITTEN wrote: companyman wrote: This is why I think hyperdrive is faster than Ridley Scott indicated in Alien/Prometheus, simply because a military would not be able to function as they do in Aliens. You send a marine unit on a 2-year trip to attack an enemy stronghold, they spend 6 months clearing that out, then 2-years back, only to find the "war" actually ended 18 months after they first left! That would also mean in theory that a Marine, thanks to cryo, may actually end his service in the tubes on the way to the conflict! How much chaos would ensue if you could only send Marines that were not due to end their term on the way, or even during anticipated hostilities after arrival? Even in the military today, they just keep you going. Involuntary extension. It happens. We used to have short timers show up on my boat. They made the whole patrol if they ran out while we were deployed. Sometime they could catch a break and hop the mail boat but not always. You sign up and become government property. Charlie I'm sure that happens in the current military, which you'd know more about that I would. But, we're talking a situation where a soldier may be due to be mustered out in say three months, but a round-trip is four years. Extension is one thing, forcing someone to complete a whole new involuntary tour, outside of a full-scale declaration of war (like in the ACW when everyone thought it would be over in a few months so only signed up for a short period, or the WWII National Guard units that were then transferred to regular army) is something else. Due to this, I prefer the Colonial Marines Tech Manual explaination, in that when travelling FTL, time within the ship actually runs faster, so a trip that may only take a few weeks in real-time, seems to take several months ship-time. As to Hudson's particular circumstances, I suspect the LV-426 op was going to be a brief, routine 'milk-run'. He probably thought he was going to do the op, finish his tour, and get paid overtime just for sleeping his way home. This rude awakening, combined with the loss of bunkmates, and dealing with something never before encountered, probably explains how he fell apart. |
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| Author: | SGT KITTEN [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:36 am ] |
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A side note in the novelization of Alien, the crew goes to hyper sleep to prevent using food and oxygen on the trip. The ship depressurizes and cools down while they sleep so they don't have to bring as much with them. |
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| Author: | companyman [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hudson question |
Been YEARS since I read that, but IIRC, Bishop was out of hypersleep for the trip, keeping an eye on Sulaco's systems, similar to David in Prometheus. |
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| Author: | Rumpelteazer [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:28 am ] |
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What I remember from the book, he was saying "Four more weeks and out, man..two of that in cryo." |
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| Author: | SSgt Burton [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hudson question |
companyman wrote: Been YEARS since I read that, but IIRC, Bishop was out of hypersleep for the trip, keeping an eye on Sulaco's systems, similar to David in Prometheus. I might be remembering this backwards however... James Cameron was having a bit of difficulty on how to introduce Bishop to the audience as an android, and like said above was considering having Bishop roam the Sulaco while everyone else was in hypersleep. He abandoned the idea after Lance Henriksen suggested the "knife trick" to reveal Bishop as not being human. Either that, or Lance wanted the "roaming" and Cameron suggested the knife trick.  Kevin |
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