Bit of a long shot but i just mailed Master Replicas to inform them of the legislation ,perhaps the loss of sales might get their lawyers on the cast ...worth a tyr and i will let you know if i hear anything, feel free to badger them too

Master Replicas blasters (even the Solo Greedo killer) a still available in Canada- no orange tip or anything.

However they are beyond expensive. I saw the Solo blaster at a comic shop for $999!

It would seem that the legislation is going to be identical to what we've had here since 1998. I believe that it will affect individuals from personal importation- but distributers will still be able to obtain "gun like" devices.

Kevin

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"I know I'm human. And if you were all these things, then you'd just attack me right now, so some of you are still human. This thing doesn't want to show itself, it wants to hide inside an imitation. If it takes us over, then it has no more enemies, nobody left to kill it. And then it's won."

Here's an interesting story out of Australia:

news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070525/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_australia_starwars;_ylt=AhzSNYhdXuh_OeJoR3QycxOdk3QF
Fri May 25, 11:01 AM ET


Can't have people running around with their toys scaring the sheeple now can we?!



Edited by: [url=http://p220.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=alien1099>Alien1099[/url] at: 5/25/07 4:32 pm

He deserved it, IMO...

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Well he definitely could have been more careful. You really can't take a chance these days when transporting a replica.

Australia has one of the strictest set of laws for replicas as far as I know.

Kevin

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"I know I'm human. And if you were all these things, then you'd just attack me right now, so some of you are still human. This thing doesn't want to show itself, it wants to hide inside an imitation. If it takes us over, then it has no more enemies, nobody left to kill it. And then it's won."

Another reason to stay in western Canada. When I went to the Calgary comic con www.calgaryexpo.com/, I was walking from my car in the Stampede grounds parking lot to the Roundup Centre, I was carrying my barrack box with USCM gear and my M240 Flame Unit over my shoulder with no weird comments, people freakin' out or cops all over me. After all, I WAS in Calgary. YAHHOOO!!!

Mike
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wiggling on the end of a sharp stick!

Why did he deserve it? He didn't use it in a threatening manner. Didn't sound like he meant any ill will. But he deserves to have the book thrown at him because he had a replica blaster incapable of hurting anybody unless thrown at somebody? People on this forum dress up as "soldiers" and carry around "machine guns" all the time. Do they deserve to be arrested and jailed? Come on use some common sense.

I think the point is that the guy in the story should have used some common sense and not walked around with his replica poking out of his bag and should have made sure it was fully out of view until he arrived at the photo shoot. A replica blaster may be recognisable by film fans etc but Joe public will not know what it is, especially if it partially hidden in the bag. If I saw part of a replica poking out of a bag then I might have a problem distinguishing exactly what it was as well and with all the loons running around these days the police cant take chances.
So no, the reposnsible members of this board do not deserve to be arrested as we do have common sense.

Cheers

Darren
Edited by: [url=http://p220.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=friendlyskies>Friendlyskies[/url] at: 5/26/07 1:35 am

Seeing as how said blaster was actually based on a real firearm, he should have been MUCH more careful. Common sense dictates putting such things in bags away from prying eyes until taken out and displayed in context.

All valid points that the guy SHOULD have taken more time to have a correct carry case/container/bag for the replica.
As for the wearing Black,well alas that`s the media`s fault there IMHO.
How many times have we heard gun totting student/lunatic/etc wearing Black?
So if Joe Average see`s what looks like a gun barrle & the guys wearing Black,alas in todays world they Will react in this manner. As for the Police it sounds like they did everything by the book,so there is no blame on them.

I have had friends who`ve had brushes with the law due to NOT using Common sense. The best one were some in a house,gearing up to go Airsofting. It was dark outside they had the light on,no curtains drawn. A Neighbour saw these guys gearing up & brandishing firearms & called 999.
Armed response hit the place so hard & so Fast my friends truely didn`t know what day it was.

We now live in times where Media scare mongering has brought us to this point & IF we`re to survive with our hobbies & interests,we need to be more aware of Joe Averages ignorance, that`s being fed by the media. Thus cater to their ignorance so we CAN keep our enjoyment.

On a seperate note,drinking with mates last night (several re-enactors) & looks like swords are in for a new hammering too.
This may include Re-enactment too. We`re trying to find out to what extent. Rather annoying though for the amount of shows that are put on throughout the year & high attendance,if they strip this form of Historic Education away from us.
Best case we`ll end up like the Sealed Knot Society Worse case it`ll be a Blanket Ban on swords

Jason
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So you guys care nothing about intent? You think there should be a zero tolerance policy approach? And I have seen pictures of people on this forum doing outside photoshoots. That has the potential to scare somebody that doesn't know what's going on that may happen upon them. Maybe every single person to ever get pulled over by a police officer for speeding should get a ticket and shouldn't be let off with a warning to slow down. Maybe you should be fined and ticketed for every single little infraction that you commit throughout the day and cameras should be there to document your lack of common sense when you're speeding, don't come to a complete stop for a stop sign, have a tail light out, etc.

And honestly, who cares what color of clothes he was wearing. What does that have to do with anything? Why exactly does that matter? Black is honestly a pretty poor choice for anything to do with the military since it stands out so well. It just looks cool. That's why you see most modern military equipment switching over to green/tan colors and the new US Army ACU camo doesn't have any black in it at all. But black is SCARY! It scares the sheep and the media plays on that.

Zero tolerance = zero sense. Is this young man a criminal? Does he deserve jail time? Did he hurt ANYONE? No he accidentally scared somebody because they were a sheep that is sensitized to anything potentially scary. 30, 20, or even 10 years ago this wouldn't have even been news.
Edited by: [url=http://p220.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=alien1099>Alien1099[/url] at: 5/26/07 11:29 am

How would you know what someone's intent was until you stop them? Does he deserve to be charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, well if that is the law in that country then yes he does.
I dont think the colour of his clothes is in any way an issue other than it may have drawn more attention to him.
You have no doubt seen pictures of members here posing with weapons outside but as Fal said above it was "in context". The public know that they are at a Sci-fi show or similar and will not therefore consider it odd or out of place to see someone like ourselves carrying around replica weapons.
Would I walk to the event down the street holding my Pulse Rifle or slung over my shoulder or even poking out of a bag. No I absolutely wouldn't as if I did I would expect there to be consequences.
The man in the story no doubt had no ill intent but as I said the point is that he should have used his brain and not walked down a street with his replica weapon in view in the first place.
Your habit of calling everyone who might be scared at the sight of someone in the street carrying a realistic weapon in full view or partial view as being "sheep" is somewhat insulting I think. I myself would be worried. Would you just walk past and say to yourself "not to worry, it's probably just a replica". I have a son who is 3 years old and I personally would not take the chance that it was not a real gun. If someone is stupid enough to walk around carrying a gun outside of somewhere where it is expected to be seen then they deserve the consequences that may occur as a result.

Cheers

Darren

Ahh But there lies the problem 10,20 or 30 years ago this wouldn`t have been a problem.

We`ve seen Hungerford,Dunblane & then Terrorism (must admit even with the IRA in the 80s it wasn`t as scary for us as it is now) in the shape of 9/11 & the July bombings.

Alas the media is truely panic-mongering the masses & through them Policitics thus leading to LAW.

Your argument is moreso for the Media & the Politicians for there part in this.
Though also aim it at your bleeding hearts,who only want criminals,Terrosists to get away with Crime & terrorism whilst infringing on the law abiding peoples lives.

At the end of the day it`s Law & honest folk don`t have much of a voice when dealing with that,unless fo course they want a criminal record,jail time.

We`re Not a democracy & never have been,so why should we now be able to change policy?

Oh as for speeding drivers getting fines ALL the time (they do it),I say YES to that

Jason
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The idea that a grown man walking down the street with a rifle or submachine gun wouldn't have been treated with similar action 20 years ago is pretty silly.

Yes, the media are blowing the issue out of proportion, but he was a grown man walking down the street with what was for all intents and purposes a Sterling submachine gun. Unreasonable that they called the cops, just because they hadn't watched Star Wars? Of course not - if I saw a bloke in odd clothing with a submachine gun, just eating away, I'd be VERY concerned.

It's the matter of every costumer, airsofter, re-enactor, collector and so on to be responsible with how they go about things. Let their neighbours know about their hobbies, assure them all is well, when carrying equipment just take it easy and pack things properly.

Soft ground is being trodden on. Best not to get too riled, and try to be level headed. We are a democracy - we just leave policy to those who should be best informed, and if they are poorly informed, then we are not doing enough.

The knock-on effect of this type of incident (whether we like it or not) is that replica weapons are being banned in the UK...

It's the actions of morons that put the collecting industry at risk.
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Edited by: [url=http://p220.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=s1999eagle>S1999Eagle[/url] at: 5/26/07 1:02 pm

According to the article, it was a Han Solo blaster, not a Sterling SMG or rifle. Anyway, this sort of thing bothers me because it gets worse and worse. There was a lockdown at a hospital here in the US the other day because a woman called in that a gunman went into the hospital with an assault rifle. Turned out to be a prosthetic leg. YES, people ARE sheep like it or not or find it insulting or not. Most people are downright freaking stupid. That's really the truth. Should that guy get charged for inciting a panic?
Edited by: [url=http://p220.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=alien1099>Alien1099[/url] at: 5/26/07 8:04 pm

I agree that the general populace do have a sheep mentality but there's nothing you or I can do about that - it's just the way society is. And unfortunately, it's having an impact on our innocent hobby.
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Yes.

It's described in most civilized countries as disrupting the public peace.

He should have been more careful. And a "Han Solo" blaster looks like a pistol to the average Joe. Certainly more gun like than a Sterling SMG blaster.

If a guy walked into a bank wearing a ski mask (but had no intention of robbing the bank) would it be completely unreasonable for someone, anyone to call 911?

Kevin

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"I know I'm human. And if you were all these things, then you'd just attack me right now, so some of you are still human. This thing doesn't want to show itself, it wants to hide inside an imitation. If it takes us over, then it has no more enemies, nobody left to kill it. And then it's won."

You're saying the guy should get ticketed because of somebody ELSE'S stupidity??????????????????? That is laughable. [img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/anim_lol.gif[/img] How is he supposed to be more careful? He was carrying a prosthetic leg into a hospital. That's not really out of the norm considering hospitals are where amputations generally happen.

As far as the ski mask goes, you're comparing apples and oranges. That would practically be the same thing as entering a bank and having a weapon drawn and at the ready. Here in Arizona and many other states, you can legally walk into a convenience store with a pistol holstered on your hip. Should you call 911? I've been in a store on more than one occasion and somebody came in open carrying. Granted I had my own pistol, but it was concealed. However, I didn't panic. I was a little wary. But there's a difference. Somebody with a holstered gun isn't likely to be causing any trouble.
Edited by: [url=http://p220.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=alien1099>Alien1099[/url] at: 5/26/07 11:03 pm

Why were you wary?

Imagine if you had no prior experience of firearms (except for their use by criminals) and were in a country where the carrying of real hand-guns in a public place is illegal. Would you be more than wary?
And someone with a concealed weapon?
Edited by: [url=http://p220.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pug50>Pug50[/url] at: 5/27/07 3:25 am

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Excellent! A debate over guns on an Aliens fan board. Participants are from different countries across the globe with different gun laws and different views as to what Joe citizen should or should not have including if carrying a pistol concealed or not is correct. I think we should carry this debate over to the OT group with a brand new thread.
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Mike
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There is nothing more impressive than a bloody big Alien
wiggling on the end of a sharp stick!

I agree with you mike, this is getting off the subject, we were trying to figure out what to do about the possible ban on import of replica weapons...not get in to a argument over some muppet carrying a star wars gun ..

Actually I was refering to the original post about the guy with the blaster- not the prosthetic leg thing.

Alien1099- we are from different countries with different laws/views on guns. If a regular guy here in Ontario Canada walked anywhere with a sidearm, there would be multiple calls to 911. Same thing would probably happen in the UK and Australia and most of Europe.

I really hate pointing this out (because it can sound negative), but the US has probably the most open gun laws of any first world country. Your apples and oranges comment should be directed at comparing how one country's citizens react to guns as opposed to another country's.

EDIT- this will also be my last post in this thread. It's headed for lockdown in it's present direction. Not because of the subject matter- but because the tone of certain posts smack of abrasiveness and condesending insults.

Kevin

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"I know I'm human. And if you were all these things, then you'd just attack me right now, so some of you are still human. This thing doesn't want to show itself, it wants to hide inside an imitation. If it takes us over, then it has no more enemies, nobody left to kill it. And then it's won."

Edited by: [url=http://p220.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=ssgtburton>SSgt Burton[/url]  at: 5/27/07 5:36 pm

Actually it is all pretty relevant. Replicas/props are apparently getting lumped in with real guns and are being restricted/banned. We're all on a downward slope. Laws never get relaxed. They only get tighter and stricter. Coming to a prop party near you. Enjoy them while you still can.
Edited by: [url=http://p220.ezboard.com/bthealienslegacy.showUserPublicProfile?gid=alien1099>Alien1099[/url] at: 5/27/07 6:32 pm

The problem is...over here in the U.K. if you ask the guy on the street or M.P.s they can not see any reason for someone to own a real or replica firearm , people owning guns real or fake just to collect is odd to them, that is why when we have had drive by shootings or some nutter walking into a school and gunning down children, it is very hard to justify owning a gun in the U.K.
Also lets not forget banning firearms is a vote winner for M.P.s and that is why its being done, more people are killed by cars yet they do not get banned why? because the goverment gets a ton of cash in taxes from cars.... and people dying in car crashes do not grab the headlines in the same way as some one getting killed by a gun....