Very wise!
But we'll need to decide on a particular standard.

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Indeed.

Here's what might happen when you mix drill from different lands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpwAZQC1Hn0&mode=related&search=

(As they march past the camera- keep your eye on the guys in the back trying to keep in step!)

Mind you it's still better than what we've demonstrated during our parade marches.

And if we do mess up... Is this what we can expect?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Ahdxk_b1g&NR=1

(Sorry I went a little youtube happy here)

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I've always thought it was a bit too...umm..."American"




That's correct - Slow March.
Standard 30" pace, 60 paces per minute.
Point your toes!!



One of my favourite movements actually is "Into quick time" from slow march. Looks very good when a whole squad all move smartly from 60 paces per minute to 116 paces per minute all together!

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...and all with a BANG in unison.

How could I forget about Mike..? Duh... You (Kevin), Mike and I could easily pull it off, with very little practice to do. It's like riding a bike!

Don't remember if the Military Types do it, but there is also "Keeping Time" that band people do where they march in place. In my Sector 7 I actually caught myself keeping time during the stops instinctively.

Looks really good as long as everyone does it together.

Or-break... your-nose... left... right... left (ahhh how it all comes back now ).

Dom I was kidding about Mike eh- but unless you want Mike to bite your face off I wouldn't ask him to join the drill team.

I think when the UKCM was discussing basic drill moves Mike made his opinion clearly known with two words: "drill sucks".



Yeah- we call it "Marking time" (In Canada at least- probably the UK too).

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Yep, mark time here as well.


Squad.....Maaaaarrrrrkkk.... TIME!

One, One, Right, Left, Right.


God I love drill!!!!

I always say "God invented drill for those of us who can't get sex!"
I'm putting that on a T-Shirt.




I'm more concered about the left marker who is tick-tocking!
Why would anyone place a marker or guide who can't march!? That's just bad planning.

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Ah yes, a true warrior.

WHO needs DRILL? EVERY FORMATIONS A PARADE! I LOOOOVE THE CORPS!!!!

Just to steer the conversation back to the uniform-

Just throwing an idea out there, if everyone disagrees, no problem...

Is everyone all for the white belt?

Looking at that T and T uniform picture- it does have a black belt (although it's kinda hard to see- it's a built in belt that is part of the tunic itself).

Someone mentioned a Sam Browne belt (essentially a standard police duty belt). New ones would be in the $40 range methinks.

Whole point would be to have the uniform another small step away from the actual Dress Blues uniform (seeing as we aren't doing the red pants thing).

Like i said- just throwing it out there.

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I've mentioned the Same Browne belt before... they are optional wear for USMC officers on the dress blue uniform.

I like them a lot. In fact, look at the picture of the model wearing your original jacket from the Marlow White catalogue... he's wearing a Same Browne.

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

Im down...with the Browne


Looks good.


Derek

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Well alright then!

That's a couple of yay's.

Anyone not like the idea?

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For anyone who doesn't know, this is a Sam Browne belt (I managed to find a pic of it on a USMC jacket, too!)

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

Sam Browne is pretty cool.

If I remember right, the belt part of a Sam Browne is about $40, and the cross belt is about the same. That's $80 for the whole rig, more or less. They come in plain black, high gloss or basketweave, and with nickel or brass buckles. Check out galls.com

Galls is a LEO/EMS uniform and equipment store. Their prices are about average, and they sell everything from cheap crap to high quality stuff. I use them a lot for stuff I need at work. Some stuff you need to be a verified LEO to buy - but if I remember right, uniforms are not one of them.

We have the Sam Browne as part of our Class A dress uniform as well, and it looks pretty sharp.

That said ... I feel bad for the poor SOB who shows up at a con in his/her own version of a USCM dress uniform. They might feel a little awkward, ROFL

I, too, like the darker belt.

Since there is now talk of custom Screaming patches (I think?) throwing out one thing for the third time, if only for someone, anyone, to say "no way, that sucks" instead of silence:

Subdued colors.


As for the drill team, I like how Mike thinks.
But for those of you who dig it, sure. It is a parade after all!

As long as you don't mind us grunts plodding along out of step behind ya.

Not sure if having the color guard would affect our little drama about face huggers and stuff? I guess not necessarily.

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One thing which should be mentioned about the Same Browne is that the shoulder rig goes under the epaulette.

On the enlisted USMC jacket, the epaulette isn't "real" in that it cannot unbutton and open up.

CW Mock, I'm on Gall's right now and I can find 3 entries for "Sam Browne belt", but there's nothing listed for the shoulder rig?

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

A belt named after a British General who won the Victoria Cross? I'm in.

Ok Jay here's my opinion- when you say subdued, do you mean OD green and black?

Because the green just won't work on this uniform- for instance when we have photoshopped standard army rank (gold on green) onto the uniform it has looked wonky. For this reason we are using the new army dress blue (gold on midnight blue) rank stripes.

Unless you meant something other than OD green.

Really it would mean getting custom patches made, which so far has not gathered a lot of positive response.



I don't believe it will. The way I see it- someone in full combat gear carrying our flag kinda looks out of place to me (not taking anything away from Chris- who looked great this year).

I believe our little section of the parade will be a sort of montage of USCM uniforms... Parade Dress, Battle Dress etc.

Also with a clear distinction between the Honor Guard in parade dress, and the grunts in battle dress, I don't think there will be such a fuss about you guys "keeping in step", "not breaking ranks" (like ya always manage to do ).

You just gotta let me know when you guys are stopping to do the facehugger routine... My eyes/head/body will be facing forward the entire march.



Now that is something I did not know! Are the buttons removable?

Also are we going with the full shoulder rig? I envisioned just the belt.

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No, in this case I was thinking 2 or 3 darker shades of blue, or perhaps one of them black. That way it's there, and the colors compliment, but it isn't YAAAA in your face like the standard one would be. Thinking maybe half or 75% of the size, too.

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Bah, looks like Galls does not carry them now ...

BUT

Here they are again, available from T&T Uniforms. Same basic price too. Boston Leather makes pretty decent stuff too.

http://tandtuniforms.com/catalog/index. ... 8f9760c417

It doesn't matter if the epulate unbuttons or not, as you fasten the Sam Browne shoulder strap down on the belt itself, so you can thread it through the epulate loop first before fastening it to the belt.

I like the Sam Browne. I wish we were allowed to wear them with our duty uniforms to support the 20+ pounds of crap we have to carry.

What do you all think of the full rig? I was just thinking about the belt without the shoulder strap.

Plain belt (as opposed to basketweave), gold buckle (will match the jacket buttons).

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I don't think I managed to explain myself correctly; the epaulette on the jacket is fake, in that there's no flap at all. It's piping with thicker material and a button.

Full Sam Browne belt rigs (meaning with shoulder strap) are dangerous for duty wear. I love how they look, but I'd never wear one out on patrol.

Kevin, I think the whole ensemble looks very sharp with the shoulder rig. I'd be willing to purchase it.

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

As I understand it, the Same Browne crossbelt was issued to people who would have carried a sword, and then a pistol - IE officers and maybe senior NCOs.

Maybe we should do the same thing. Anyone who plays a senior NCO or Officer can opt for the crossbelt. Toss in a matching black flap holster for the sidearm maybe instead of a sword (cheaper - and you can carry a VP70 too!).

Personally, I like the way the full rig with crossbelt looks, but it CAN be a little pricey. The plain black 2.25 inch belt looks good too.

Yeah, that's why we don't wear them anymore, LOL! They look good, and might have helped support all that weight ... but that was it. I rank them up there with duty suspenders - nice in idea, bad in implementation.

I didn't realize it was THAT fake. I have had uniform shirts where it was sewn down of both ends, but open in the middle and foolishly assumed it was the same way.