I agree with Dom..I dont want people to "go with the flow". I want this to be a great, fun costume project for us all...although I know headaches will occur.

And like WG, I do like what Paul has submitted..the rockers and cuff lettering look great...but, the cost to have the letters made as pins would be outrageous. Unless, we could find some USMC pins, and modify them..but Ive never seen that kind of pin before.


Derek

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Personally, I like Dustroom's first setup pic the best. I don't really like the Screaming Eagle patch on the uni unless it mimics the bdu's and it's on the right shoulder.

I think it looks funky on the sleeve, but will go along w/ the majority if it's the decision.

I do like the ship badge on the uni, mostly because I'm proud of the Cerebrus. Best automated cookin' in the Fleet!

I really like the custom Colonial Marines patches though on the shoulders, I think that rocks!

But, I won't bring up the beret...nope, won't!

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I'm with you with that Rex... although I'm from a beret wearing army, it would just not work with this uniform.

Can I suggest that we take option 1 that has done well in the polls, but it on the "maybe" pile and suggest different alternatives..? Maybe once we have 3-4 different options, we can run a poll on the different looks and make a decision like this?

I 've taken the time to think about what I said in my last post, and now feel I flew off the handle.

Dom- I apologize for the insinuations I blatently made.

I do want it to be known that I am just as excited as Dom and (I hope) everyone else is about having this project come to life!

Imagine how awesome it will standing side by side as a group in our custom Dress Blues!

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Understood Sarge...

Keep them ideas rolling marines...

HOO-RAH!

Geez has the thread died?

Did I help kill it?

Ok maybe we can start it up again?

The walls this uniform is up against seem to be the use of a Marine Dress Blues jacket versus a custom made honor guard jacket.

Marines' jacket:

Pros-

Has the overall shape we all like: high collar, long coat (as opposed to short "Ike" jacket. Relatively available and affordable.

Cons-

Must have several alterations and CM patches added to set it apart from being a USMC uniform. Might not be available in everyone's size (quite frankly I'm having a bit of trouble myself).

Custom Honor Guard:

Pros-

Not a USMC jacket, so were pretty much open to however we would like to customize it. Tailor made to eveyone's needed size.

Cons-

Price. The lowest price I could find online is from siegelsuniforms.com at $295 (not including what shipping might be). This seems to be the factor holding pretty much everyone back from the custom jacket.

Although when I found the Marlow White link ($349) and was gung ho about getting it- in retrospect I probably wouldn't have been able to afford it either.



So I don't know where this leaves us.

Can we all agree that we are going to us a USMC Dress Blues tunic?



Personally I'm liking the pic that Thedustroom posted with the custom Colonial Marine "mudguard" tabs which would look similar to these:



Really I think it wouldn't take a large contribution to have these custom made for us.

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Yeah..we all need a group hug!!!

And Kev..I can just imagine you and Dom barking orders at us while we stand at attention in the Hyatt lobby wearing our Dress Blues.

And Dom would HAVE to do the "ketchup stain" commercial!!!


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My opinion is that if we use the USMC jacket we should not re-use any USCM patches at all as they don't make sense and would make the uniform appear rushed and not well thought out at all (IMHO).



Someone else mentioned these patches; I just mocked them up but I do like them and believe that it makes a big difference to the uniform, makes it clear who we are and means we don't have to whack on ostentatious patches.

Patches are not that expensive to get made; and I'll reiterate my own personal view that we must do this right or not at all.

We want people to look at us and say "wow, those guys look great; what a great job on the costumes" - not "look at those jokers wearing USMC uniforms with USCM patches stuck on them"

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Actually if people doesn't mind a bit of a wait (they are swamped at the moment) but camotech is pretty cheap on tabs:

http://www.camotech.com/Tabs.htm

And I think we can get 6 total ordered minimum, especially if we do two per (one on each shoulder).

Hey Kevin... what size are you?

A brand new jacket will run around $150, btw.

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I do agree with this, which is why I was trying to find tasteful ways of patch placement; keep in mind that actual Marine feedback I've gotten is that even what I showed (ship patch, USCM patch) was not considered ostentatious.

Now, "Colonial Marine" mudguard rockers would look great. I'm all for this.

I really like the ship patch placement, however. I don't think it detracts whatsoever.

I really like the idea of being uniform, yet still having identifiers for the various countries we have represented (UK, Canada, US), which the ship patches allow for.

Also... though I really like the black trousers idea... perhaps to set us apart a bit more... should we revisit trouser/strip color combinations?

Thoughts?

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I have better plans than this pal... I am currently memorizing Gunny Hartman's opening speech in FMJ. I need a Joker, Cowboy, Pyle and Snowball.

I do like the patch placement, I just think that the patch is too big - how about another custom patch (to match the shoulder rockers) with the name of the ship/detachment? This would be smaller and therefore look better/more uniform across from the dropship badge and ribbons.

Also this could not be though of just sticking a badge on either.



I also like the black trousers idea, black with red stripe to match the jacket - but again; is this going to cause problems with costs?

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My suit jacket size is a 40 short.

I could PM my measurements (neck, sleeve, waist) if that helps.

And $150 to have my exact size in a brand new tunic is not out of my price range. I'd rather pay a little more than play "hit or miss" with an auction that could end up being the wrong size for not much less money.

I too like the ship patch. And rather than a custom patch, I think the current ship patches would do. Personally I would rather the patch go on the shoulder and the chest stay bare (with the exception of wings and ribbons)...

But we would then have to get the mudguards to match the curve of the ship patch (impossible since the different ship patches are not the same diameter, and the Sulaco patch has the point at the top).

Again I don't think we should get a custom ship patch, since... how can I put this... The ship patches are supposed to be different as it allows for some individuality (like what Derek mentioned about different countries). Come to think of it, I really like the ship patch idea and placement- I'm all for it!

About the pants- would everyone be opposed to returning to the crimson pants/black stripe idea? As far as cost goes... would it really be much more expensive than buying a pair of balck dress pants, the red bloodstripe (including the cost of shipping) and having a seamstress sew them on the pants? I can't see it as being much more expensive when you add this all up.

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Trousers with stripes down the side can be ordered for a reasonably low price from any police supply outlet in a variety of combinations, navy blue or black with red stripes etc.

My uniform trousers have a 1.25 inch black stripe on them, which I think is standard.

Black trousers with a red bloodstripe can be ordered from Marlow White, for example... I think they're around $99?

Then again, regulation-issued USMC bloodstripes aren't expensive at all and are easily obtainable; generally you just add them to your trousers when you become an NCO. BTW, enlisted E-1 thru E-3 (Private, Private First-Class, Lance Corporal) do not wear bloodstripes. I'm not sure if anyone was aware of this or not, and if you all wanted to continue that with this uniform, or have bloodstripes with the USCM be "standard" several hundred years from now. I'm good with it either way.

I really liked the crimson trousers idea. A lot. The problem was trying to find the damn things and we'd zeroed in on band uniform supply places when the switch to black trousers happened.

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The custom Colonial Marines patch can either be :

a) Straight across- therefore not mattering what size ship patch is underneath it.

b) Curved, and have the ship patch on the chest. Looks kinda kewel IMHO.

Custom sized USMC jackets for $150? Not too bad an idea!


Red pants? Problem is finding red dress slacks that aren't pimp red...
Probably those band equipment sites would have them, but $100- for a pair of dress slacks...when we can get black ones for what, $20-30? Hard, very hard for me to justify guys, as cool as they would look, I do very much agree!


Black pants w/ red blood stripe- All USCM personel have this stripe, officers, non-com's, privates, etc.
It looks waaayyyyyy coooler!

CW, you wouldn't be able to get a price on pants would you? Although, I'm not sure if they would have black w/ red stripes?

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In my experience red material washes badly and fades whereas black tends to look better for longer.

Black/midnight blue jacket with red piping + black trousers with red blood stripe would look very smart indeed.

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Honestly, I like the idea of red pants, but (yep here's the but) I'm afraid that if the pants and the piping don't match it won't look right.

OK, I know this is that other jacket but it's the best pic I could find and will do for placement ideas:



I really do think that the ship patch is just too big for the chest accross from the dropship and ribbons - even from a simple design point of view it's clear that it looks out of place.



Without the patch on the chest the lines are clean, and it looks more realistic.

Also, once we have the new pins on the collar it will look more impressive and with the ship patch it'll look more cluttered at that point.

The only place I can see the ship patch working is on the sleeve but then how does that fit in with the rank patches?

Can we agree to disagree for now about the ship patch, can we remove it from the design, remove the new custom rocker patches as well until we've got the pins, pants and other things in place and then we can look at the overall look of the uniform before adding anything more to it?

Here it is without all of the additional patches and the new custom collar pins in place, can we use this as the starting block for now?

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I still like the idea of doing a 2x3 flag instead of the ship patch. It allows us to show we are multi-national and it means countries who don't have a ship patch (Germany?) can still do one and show their nationality.

well something i used to have in the air cadets was a Brassard, maybe something like that would work? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassard

on our blues we used to have one of those with our squadron number, cadet class badge and any special awards like the duke of edinborough badge or pilots wings. you could have one of those with the ship badge and screaming eagle or whatever, just a thought.

You know, a precedent has been set by the film... could we put the ship patch over the pocket..?

i think the ship patch on the blues jacket wouldnt look right because of those creases on the pockets, the shirt doesnt have the creases. i think if you dont use the brassard it would be a case of having a rocker with the ships name made.

Unless the pocket is a lot bigger than the one on the service uniform, the patch will cover the crease so it should be ok.