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LOL
Neeever noticed that!

Also never noticed the ovipositor sticking out here!

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This thread is amazing, I never noticed all those details! I wonder what a truly accurate shroud would look like. Realistically, I would never be willing to put in all the effort to make that happen, mostly because they'd be so ugly! I'm totally with you Spat, it just wouldn't look right which also makes absolutely no sense.

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And finally, a full lightweight stunt rifle with dummy Thomson and Grenade Launcher.

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Kind of interesting what you can still learn after watching a movie for 22 years. :)

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Funny, I was just watching the film the other night and noticed these shots for the first time too!

Is this PR one of the fiberglass models, or is it another dummy version?

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I don't think they made any out of fibreglass per-se. As far as I know all of the the lightweight/dummy versions were made from tan/yellow resin with an expanding-foam core.

It's often mentioned that the production made rubber PRs too but that's never been proved and none have ever been seen or heard of.

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I need to catch up here. I've been slacking.

I'm going to have to make a butt pad for mine. I always wondered why there wasn't one. Now I know there was. Thanks!!!!!!!!

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I'm still not convinced about this 'padding' thing.

I've never seen it on any of the many Pulse Rifles that I've either seen personally or seen images of. There's no evidence that there ever was anything on the back of the stocks either; surely there would be glue residue on them if something was there.

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I'm still not convinced about this 'padding' thing.

I've never seen it on any of the many Pulse Rifles that I've either seen personally or seen images of. There's no evidence that there ever was anything on the back of the stocks either; surely there would be glue residue on them if something was there.

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I would have to say that the picture at the beginning of this thread would say it all. :)

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Let's see if someone can post a larger version of that screengrab, and maybe someone can do a little photoshop image enhancement too so that we can see whatever it is more clearly.

I don't think that photo is clear enough to be conclusive proof that something's there.

When Aliens comes out on HD hopefully that will help a lot with this kind of mystery too.

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Let's see if someone can post a larger version of that screengrab, and maybe someone can do a little photoshop image enhancement too so that we can see whatever it is more clearly.

I don't think that photo is clear enough to be conclusive proof that something's there.

When Aliens comes out on HD hopefully that will help a lot with this kind of mystery too.

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You rang? :wink:

Here's four pics taken during that sequence:

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They clearly show more than one light source, one from top-left of frame and one either top-right or right of frame.

In the bottom-left pic you can see where the two light sources merge as the stock is lifted, so the perceived padding edge in the top-left pic vanishes.

I think this shows that the rear section of the stock is just a separate piece of metal, rather than an extra bit of padding, with a joint line picked out by the right side light source.

The blocking of one of the light sources in the two right-hand pics also indicates no protrusion of the rear piece.

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I think this shows that the rear section of the stock is just a separate piece of metal, rather than an extra bit of padding, with a joint line picked out by the right side light source.

The blocking of one of the light sources in the two right-hand pics also indicates no protrusion of the rear piece.



Sorry Steve but I respectfully have to disagree:


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There is definitely something on there and not simply a seamline. It appears to be a metal plate given that it is equally weathered/worn as the rest of the stock itself. If it were padding/rubber weathering it wouldn't make any sense- so I don't believe it is padding.

I also don't believe it is a seamline as this hi-res pic shows the stock to be an all one piece construction:

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The inside of the stock can also be seen from a different angle on Harry's site:

http://www.harryharris.com/opr16.htm

The fact that the "seamline" disappears could be due to the plate being slightly smaller than the back of the stock itself; it falls into shadow when exposed to the single light source.


I'm convinced it is an extra plate on the back of the stock- not padding though. Perhaps a repair of somekind?

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I'm convinced it is an extra plate on the back of the stock- not padding though. Perhaps a repair of somekind?

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How would the single back section get damaged though?

Maybe the paint rubbed off and a bit of Duct Tape was used to cover up the very shiny metal?

I guess the only answer is to inspect an SU weapon? :)

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I have to agree with that, those stocks were made from 3mm thick steel box section tube; pretty hard to damage I would have thought.

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Looks to me like a trick of the light.

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To me there is nothing there and its just light reflection and the fact that some paint has been rubbed off on the top left corner (as u look at it in pic) - probably from standing the rifle on its butt and/or repeated shouldering against metal armour.

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maybe someone can get pics from when she's loading it in the elevator and upside down, might be able to see somethign there.

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To me there is nothing there and its just light reflection and the fact that some paint has been rubbed off on the top left corner (as u look at it in pic) - probably from standing the rifle on its butt and/or repeated shouldering against metal armour.

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Pretty uniform dual edge light reflection.

I concede that perhaps its not a rubber "pad" but perhaps a seperate piece of metal tacked on there?

Who knows. The "real" props don't even look today like they did back when they were used on the set. Take a look at the smartgun in Propstore's collection as an example.

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What about when Frosy's playing in the armoury?

I believe he lays one atop a stack of four or five others, all with the butt facing the camera....


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What about when Frosy's playing in the armoury?

I believe he lays one atop a stack of four or five others, all with the butt facing the camera....

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What about when Frosy's playing in the armoury?

I believe he lays one atop a stack of four or five others, all with the butt facing the camera....

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He lays them down with the barrel end facing the camera. :roll:

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He lays them down with the barrel end facing the camera. :roll:


Yeah..... yeah. 'S right.

I watched again this morning. And cursed when I saw him do that.

However, I did have a very close look at the rest and I do believe that at least some of them have some kind of panel or rubberised 'Grip Strip' along the butt plate.


SA or not, it's something I will do when I come to build my own PR.
One of those 'personal touches' a soldier does to his weapon....... which sounds far more pornographic than I meant it to :oops: :lol:


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I can just imagine that conversation..

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"What is that on your rifle, Marine!"

"Sir! It's for personal comfort Sir!"

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Even if you were to find a decent shot of the back of a PR elsewhere in the film such as this:


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The fact is we need to see another clear shot of the PR used in Ripley's Queenbuster combo (which apparently was three different PRs).

I've yet to go through the elevator scene frame by frame, but I doubt I'll find anything convincing as the film is soooo dark, and the stock will probably be less than a centimetre long on my monitor.

Besides you'll all say it was a trick of the lighting. :wink:



Anyway I'm right, but I'll go along with what Russ said about "who knows?". :P :wink:


We probably will have to wait for the HD Blu-Ray disc.

Or contact Simon Atherton. 8)

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I looked at that shot, among others but couldn't get the brightness/contrast up enough. Mostly it's in shadow and/or part hidden by peoples' arms.


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A little late maybe, but one must not forget that the padding is on the 10-holer so don't expect to see it on every P(urr)R or picture you come by as there was only one 10-holer in the movie and rarely seen out side. Most hero rifles on picture from the film are 8-holers.

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I think Kevin is a "trick of the light".

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