It's funny before D-Con one year I jokingly mentioned that I was going to put some sharp sticks on my gear (Nukes, knives, sharp sticks!)...

But I figured everyone would just think I was a vampire hunter.

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?!

If it’s pink Fem-trooper armour then I don’t think anyone would mind

I guess I understand where everyone is coming from. My little Longshot WIP is so EU it exists only in my imagination and I can see how my plastering it up here can be construed by those who want the boards to remain closer to what its original mission was to be wholly out of place. So, in the interest of keeping "on-topic" as it were, I will no longer post about it.

I never realized it was a contentious issue here, so I apologize.

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Please do not refrain from posting. I for one am excited at your work and want to see the build process as well as the end product!

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?!

Jay

I wouldn’t worry about it too much. I don’t think the manual is particularly contentious. Each to his own as it were. I think the main thing to keep in mind would be respect for all members.

Actually, I was glad this issue was brought up because, since I found this forum, I had assumed everyone here was a costumer or those like me who were working towards that goal. Call it a bias from my other (501st) life where all the sites I frequent primarily deal with costuming.

I did pick up on the fact that there were a number of prop collectors and people who were simply interested in the Aliens universe, but I wasn't aware of the origins of the AL. I don't think any less of anyone now that I know, however, and I will definitely keep in mind the make up of the board population.

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~Jay

Say WHAT?!?! No Way!!! Uh-huh, noooooooope! Sorry, we enjoy seeing pics of it!!!

Jeez Louise!

Okay, just for posting that, you owe me at least one beer at DCon!!

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USCM- The Colonial Marines- A Brotherhood of Bad Asses!

While... like Kevin... I can see where UKCM members come from, I unfortunately cannot ignore a statement of this magnitude.

We had Pete last year at D*con and he was non-canon/EU, so obviously not all UK members feel the same way.

But the above quote is flammatory and VERY insulting to someone like me. "My Toys" aren't good enough to play with the big boys. How many times have I heard that in other costuming groups?

Well I guess us EU people need to go sit down and shut up lest we corrupt those with "lesser knowledge".

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I would say, and I think I would speak for most members of the UKCM, that they do not adhere to the statement above. You do not even have to have a costume to join the UKCM and we do not make members of the public aware if something we are wearing or carrying wasn't actually in the film. I think Springers comment was more generalised and I would most definitely not want anyone to see some kind of divide between the UKCM and other groups as it simply does not exist.

Let's all just move on and get back to normal please.

Cheers

Darren

UKCM membership and Aliens Legacy membership are two completely different things.

People’s views expressed here are their own and not in anyway affiliated with those of the UKCM costuming group.

We have views!

Christ, there goes the planet!

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"I plan to live forever.........or die trying!"

For starters I'm not in the UKCM so your assumption is incorrect in trying to label my opinion as counting for one and all this side of the pond. Good skills there.

So what you're saying is that if I was to dream up some fanciful piece of kit, costume or otherwise and try and pass it off as being a part of the 'Aliens' film then I'm not doing the movie a dis-service because I'm not portraying it the way it was?

I can only tell it the way I see it so if my opinion is viewed as being
insulting or flammatory then crack on.Either do it right, or don't do it at all in my eyes. That's my opinion. What other's opinion is , or what they do with it is entirely upto them.

The point im making that seems to have gone flying over the heads of some people is that you can make what costume you like, but don't try passing it off as from the film if it wasn't in it and don't automatically assume people are going to take to it. Can't make it any clearer than that.

Weapons wise, I've always thought the only USCM standard issue weapons were the Pulse Rifle, Smartgun and Flamer (VP70?).
Different handguns, knives and backup weapons (shotgun) are used.

So to me, although not strictly canon to the film, I'v always thought it's pretty acceptable that individual Marines could have whatever handgun, knife or back up weapon they see fit to suit their character.

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A86/TQ3.4.49421E3
UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters


you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

If you want to be canon, then you should portray one of the screen used Marines and have everything 100% accurate to that character. The minute you make a USCM impression that isn't one of the official ones, you become EU.

Kevin and I were giving Springer the benefit of the doubt that was where his viewpoints were coming from, but instead... apparently not.

You are deluding yourself if people, no matter how canon and accurate your costume is, recognize you as a Marine from Aliens. Sure, people have seen the movies. Yes at a convention, you are more likely to be recognized as such. But the majority of us get called: "Soldier guys", GI Joe, Starship Troopers, Halo guys, etc.

Punk: There is a guy in Florida who makes armor (not the best but hey I'm not fit to judge someone elses work) who gave me a good insight. If someone says your camo is off or your handgun isn't just right, or whatever... just tell them "Well that is what I was assigned by my superiors". I think that works nicely.

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Nobody is gonna be 'right' in this debate.

It's up to the individual what they want to get out of their hobby.

Me personally I always go for 'as screen accurate as I can' as a preference, but that's me!

Someone who spends as much time, money and effort on their own interpretations should be, and as far as I'm concerned are, treated with the same degree of respect.

There's room fopr everyone.

The UKCM isn't very strict and we have a fricking laugh as a result.

Gotta be the way to go.

Everybodies different and that is very cool.

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"I plan to live forever.........or die trying!"

Fair point!

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"I plan to live forever.........or die trying!"

Don't you dare! I want to see that beast finished!

I love me some EU!!!!

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"You know, you blow up one sun and suddenly everyone expects you to walk on water."

I agree with Clanger, there is no right or wrong on this subject. It is entirely up to the individual and up to now there has been no problem with that so I don't understand where all this ill feeling is coming from.
If a thread is discussing something your not interested in then don't bother to contribute to it. Criticism is welcome but only if constructive. I don't see why there should be any problem with people discussing items that are "canon" to the movies and items that are what is known as Expanded Universe. This forum and it's members can surely cater to both and since I've been a member it has done with no problem.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and it's pointless getting all pissy just because someone has a different one than your own. As long as they don't express their opinion in a derogatory or insulting manner then there should be no problem.

Cheers

Darren

So if we say cannon is what is seen in the movie then i can arm myself with a M16 or SA80....as they are seen in the film..

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Pfc Glenn Allen ,
1st Batt. 69th Regiment,
Homers Hero's..
Drops so Far.... 29 and counting

I think the point is that you can arm yourself with whatever the hell you want Glenn, it's up to you. But yes technically those would be Cannon, as has been discussed before.

Cheers

Darren

The problem with cannon is that if we all copy whats in the movies then one day we would do a drop and have 6 guys in Hudson armour 6 in Hicks etc..etc...i have always though ..if someone want to be 100% cannon then thats up to them.....what i like about this forum is we do not jump on anyone whose armour is not 100% cannon...and i hope we never do... this is going to run and run.. we can have Cannon and EU living side by side on here...

I always though the Tech Manual was cannon, did not Lee have to get permission from Fox to do it?.....as did the makers of the role playing game...

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Pfc Glenn Allen ,
1st Batt. 69th Regiment,
Homers Hero's..
Drops so Far.... 29 and counting

LOL
Indeed. Just ask Wierzbowski

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MSgt, UKCM 42nd Reg., 1st Batt. : Hadrian's Wall. UKCM

Wasteland Workshop
Props, cosplay pieces, upcycled ornamentation, and miscellanea;
For the discerning survivor of the apocalypse.
Steve Fletcher : Maker, Scavenger, and Junksmith.
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This is canon:

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Alan T. Alien
1st Lt Smith, SA "Sidewinder"
A13/TQ1.4.19720EX CMA
Founder of UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters
Founder of Special Armaments Section (Heavy Weapons)
"People don't understand. people like me"

This is a cannon:

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Alan T. Alien
1st Lt Smith, SA "Sidewinder"
A13/TQ1.4.19720EX CMA
Founder of UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters
Founder of Special Armaments Section (Heavy Weapons)
"People don't understand. people like me"

point taken.... though i though a Canon was a type of priest....didn't they make cameras?..... I'll get my coat...

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Pfc Glenn Allen ,
1st Batt. 69th Regiment,
Homers Hero's..
Drops so Far.... 29 and counting