I am military and I don't disagree with that logic. I really don't see the difference between some guy paid to wear a uniform on TV or a fan lovingly wearing a uniform at a convention. As far as I'm concerned, the fan has more right to wear it than the actor. So long as the uniform is RESPECTED, it's OK in my books. This discussion has come up with members of colonialmarines.ca and our concessus is final: When in uniform, dress and comport yourself with the dignity that is due to what it represents. If you can't follow that rationale, go put on your Hello Kitty Island Adventure costume.

Back to the subject of USCM dress blues.... much like my Svc C uniform, it would have to be changed enough to make it diferent from the original USMC uniform... enough to say it's similar, yet not exactly a current issue uniform.

... On the subject of full dress uniform ever being established... Forgive my rusty memory, but I do recall a series of (Dark Horse?) comics that featured some lunatic USCM general that thought he could train Xenos to be his army... When he led them into battle, I recall him wearing some kind of dress uniform. This would require someone with the comic n question and a scanner I suppose.
Nope. Good old army green.

That's it, duh I saw it in the Aliens Omnibus volume 1 at the store... It was white with I believe OD on it. (btw Aliens Omnibus v2 collects the "Colonial Marines" story arc for the first time).

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I think his name is ?General? Spiers. That story is from Aliens: Book 2. I'll see if I can get some shots of the uniform he has on at the end.

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~funny name, serious attitude~

What's wrong with just wearing cammies. If someone wanted to come up with a dress uniform that's ok but me as long as it doesn't really resemble Real Dress Blue's. Those have to be earned.

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Homeland Security employs Stormtroopers?

Don'tgotheredon'tgotheredon'tgothere....




Comic's back home in France, so no checking for at least a month, but I'm fairly certain his uniform is all white with a massive amount of gold on it.
Looked more over-the-top Navy than Marines, really.

He is right about that part, not 'Dress Blue' at all.

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~funny name, serious attitude~

By this rationale, ANY uniform, including any SG uniform would need to be earned. It's difficult to get an objective argument from an actual US Marine... I happen to know Marines have incredibly strong proprietary feelings towards their uniforms.... but your expression of opinion is highly valued and respected.

Cammie's and even Gorman in his service "charlie's" is one thing. Marine Dress blue's set US apart. Like I said, If they don't look like
Marine Dress Blue's I wouldn't have a problem. Someone posted a site with a dark blue "Ike" jacket. Now that, with the patches / Rank/ service strip's/ and such, would be cool. One would have to be careful about wearing ribbon's / medal's though as it is a Federal offense to wear some.

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The problem becomes, when you say "we'll make one that is similiar but not exact" when does it stop looking like a marine dress blues.

The fact of the matter is that ALL uniforms should be respected, no matter what branch or nation they are from. Heck, even the Coast Guard can get to their deployment zone without their a$$ riding in Naval equipment. No single military deserves more or less respect from us civvies. It's tough enough to be in the military without fellow military members saying "you are lower than me" by saying that it is ok for a civie to wear their uniform but "not mine, it has to be earned".

No one is discounting that a USCM Dress Blues should be different than the USMC ones, even if you look at Gorman's Service Uniform it is different than USMC ones. So instead of saying "don't tread on my uniform" how about helping by giving suggestions on modifications, or better yet, how about a list of what medals you know are illegal to wear.

Agreed. This is why I wear my own that I was awarded onto my USCM Svc C uniform.I personally have a problem with civvies wearing ANY kind of camouflage out in society... the only time I find it aceptable is for airsoft, paintball, movie-purposes or costuming. You wear your USCM combat dress at a 'con and I'll salute you... wear it to Walmart and I'll despise you... just my personal feeling.Hear, hear.I had thought of perhaps designing actual ribbon that one can wear on our uniforms, one for each major con attended where more than one marine was present. All we would need is a place that makes them...

Like the ToD awards? That would rock!

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I've worn my jacket a couple of times, making sure the patches were visible - as in, this is a fake uniform, I'm not pretending to be any sort of soldier. I see it as nothing worse than wearing a NYPD cap or a T-shirt with movie images. That's just me of course.

How about this. Navy blue Ike jacket (Red piping for enlisted) with patches and what not. Navy blue Beret. White touser's (Blood stripe for NCO"S on up)

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Personally I'd rather have the high collar style. Everything else in the Aliens universe uniform style uses the Mandarin collar, so I'd rather stay with that, IMHO.

Yeah I have to say I'd like to keep the mandarin collar- as Wookie said everything (even the business suits) had mandarin collars.

However that doesn't mean we couldn't take an Ike jacket and modify the collar.

But I'm still partial to the high collar coat I posted earlier.

The civilian public is going to view any military-like uniform as being real (except perhaps on Oct 31st... maybe) no matter how different we try to make it. I think even if it was pink with purple polka dots they'd still wonder what branch it is.

The whole point of this thread is that some of us would like to create a fiction dress uniform. I'm not out to step on any toes. But in the same respect I am a bit taken aback by the underlying attitude that "it shouldn't be done at all". That we shouldn't even wear a military-looking uniform as it would be what... fraudulent? I mean that's the entire point of costuming right? To portray something that you are not?

If someone were to come up with an exact reproduction of a White Star Line captain's uniform (from Titanic) would anyone object?

What about WWII re-enactors who have no military background whatsoever and have been civilians their entire lives? There were a few at D-Con (traditionally a sci-fi convention) last year:



I completely understand the objection to having a uniform that is so similar to actual dress blues that it would be an insult to real Marines. However I find nothing wrong with coming up with a "from the ground up" uniform that would be parade dress for our fictional USCM.


Why do I feel the next logical step would be discussion of a dress code and code of conduct at conventions?

Anyway- I'm not trying to bring the thread down. Just needed to get that off my chest.

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There will alway's be stupid people out there. I wore my Imperial Officer's uniform to work last Halloween and some thought it was a WWII German unifrom, when confronted it said have you ever seen Star Wars. That said, a dress uniform would be cool, be we should come up with a standard that most agree upon. Like (a Mandarin collar) on the Ike jacket. Beret or garrison cap. Civies would still ask what branch, but a Marine would tell right away that it's a costume and shoudn't be offended in anyway. Just for note, Lt. Gorman's uniform when going to see Ripley is pretty darn close to
the Marine service "charlie" unifrom, and it didn't chap my arse.

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Just to get an idea of what an Ike jacket might look like with a mandarin. Here is a link to the new USAF Dress Blues. It's not an Ike, but it does have the waist belt, so makes it easier to image just the section above the belt:

http://www.stripes.com/06/may06/mitchell.jpg

So, if I am thinking this through correctly, the following items would need to be decided:

1)Coat
a)Coat collar
b)Coat type
c)Coat color
d)Coat accessories (piping, epulates, patches/pins, etc.)

2)Pants
a)Color
b)Stripes (are they there, if so what color)

3)Belt
a)Type (leather, webbing, etc.)
b)Buckly type (closed face, open face, etc.)
c)Color
d)Multiple (for example a black leather on the pants and a web one on the coat, etc.)

4)Hat
a)Hat Type (beret, garrison cover, barracks cover, etc.)
b)Color
c)Hat Accesories (flashes, pins, etc)

I think we can agree on black oxford shoes, correct?

Because I can quickly see this getting meshed together, can we use the number/letters above to refer to stuff? Also, if I have forgotten anything, please let me know.

I still think the current black coat with the movie patches would look good, and be different enough for some. And change the color of the pants.

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My suggestions:

1)Coat
a)Madarin Collar
b)Long Coat
c)Black
d)Epulates, Piping-NCO-Kelly Green, Officers-Silver, Field Officers-Gold, Patches-enlisted-US Army Rank, pins-EDA (Eagle, Delta, Anchor) on collars, officers-Rank in shiny metal (maybe have officers wear one EDA on collar and Rank on other collar).

2)Pants
a)Dark Green (Service pants color)
b)Stripes of the same type and color as piping.

3)Belt
a)Leather
b)Horseshoe (dress belt)
c)Black
d)Single on pants

4)Hat
a)Barracks Cover
b)Dark Green (Serive cover color)
c)EDA on Hat

I really like the idea of a beret. Ike jacket w/ Mandarin collar sounds cool too. The Beret would look really sharp w/ the Delta patch (a smaller one natch) on it.

If we make this so it looks nothing like an actual Marine Corps dress uniform, or any other branch of service, we could really enjoy it.

USCM- to avoid any USMC issues, if we decide on blue dress pants, we either omit the stripes entirely, or change the color?

I also like the idea of our USCM patches on the jacket. The Screaming Eagle, Colonial Marines, etc. That should set us apart from being misinterpreted.


Also, it's another absolutely perfect place to wear our Dropship badges!

And to take Dom's idea a bit further, sleeve hash marks could be used for Con attendence (or as Dom mentioned, gatherings with 2 or more Marines in attendence)

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I was brainstorming this the other day. Here is an idea:

Jacket: Black, high collar (like the Marlowe-White) one, with red piping.

Pants: Dark, midnight blue with red stripe.

Shoes: High gloss (clarino/ patent leather)

Belt: Gloss Black with brass buckle

Cover: White beret w/ USCM delta or "EGA" device. A traditional cap could be used instead too, probably look cool.

Brass/etc: Brass colored USCM delta on collar (rank for officers) any other ribbons, awards.


If anyone really is interested, I can photoshop a picture/drawing. I think it looks good, or at least it did in my head, and the rough drawing I did once. It IS similar to the current uniform, but the colors are overall darker (dark blue over blue vs Black over dark blue) and I used a beret to make an obvious difference. I also used black gloss leather instead of buff white, etc.

I think the USCM dress uniform should pay an homage to the US Marine one, but not copy it directly.

Like I say, if its anything you guys might actually like to see a conception drawing of, let me know and I can get one up. I did one for a Star Trek thing once, and they turned out okay.

Not that I am trying to say not to do the White Beret (I actually like the idea other than the fact that you don't see berets in the movie) with the black long jacket and piping, I'm just bringing up that we might need to be careful that we don't look like we are from the Royal Manticore Navy:

http://spaceship.brainiac.com/AdAstra/jaynes-manti.jpeg

Oooh, a Honor Harrington fan!

Plus white berets are for Captains only.

I've actually been toying with the idea of making on of those. Maybe that'd be too many uniforms in my wardrobe, though...

White beret..? I'd stick with something easily found if I were you. How about red?

Eh, I was bored and had a few minutes. If you want another color of headgear, use your imagination ... or let me know, and I'll try and draw it.

That's pretty much what I was imagining.[/img]