Will the number of grooves cut in the pistol grips (they are not the same) help with ID?

We have probably noticed this before and if so, I apologise if I’ve pointed out the obvious…

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Good thinking, and to some degree you can. The 10-hole def had 7 'grooves' while most of the rest had 6, so we can safely eliminate one of the possibilities. It aint the 10 hole (which appears to be right on top of it. Hard to confirm with the jacket!)

Only the pre-production 10-hole hero had seven grooves. The screen used 10-hole hero only had 6 grooves. It seems they changed the grips prior to filming.

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Roman

I'll be damned. Yeah in the 'training' scene there are def only 6. Well SOMETHING on that table had 7! What an odd decision to swap handles after completion.

I have no idea why they’d be swapping out handles etc. However if the weapons needed to be cleaned in between filming various scenes they’d have to have the shrouds removed. It’s a faff to clean automatic weapons which have restrictors fitted in the barrels to enable cycling on blanks but the pistol grips wouldn’t need to be swapped out. It’s possible SPAS cages and such the like were removed to get to various bits and bobs and removal and replacement of shrouds would invariably lead to some changes of appearance… I’m not sure we will ever get a definitive answer…?

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fwiw:

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I think they simply swapped the lower receivers (including the grips) during cleaning/maintenance (maybe by accident, maybe because some combinations of upper and lower worked better than others).

Also, it's nice to see, that the 7 groove prototype grip was still used during production.

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Stefan

Hmm, what if these are no rivets but electrical connectors to light up the ammo counter? At least they would be on the same side of the shroud as the counter...

Cheers,
Stefan

They look to be in the middle to me, and look identical to the rivets on the magazine well. Also I’ve seen photos of the 10 hole pulse rifle with wires coming out under the stock, like this one below.


Edit: And there's a freaking CABLE TIE (Zip Tie to my American friends) on the stock. Is it there to hold a 9v battery? At first I thought the wires might travel up Sigourney's arm or something but watching that scene it wouldn't be possible as she 'flips' the rifle up, so having the power supply for the LED display local makes sense.

I realise I've gone off topic slightly here, do you folks think I should put this in a separate thread?

Harry

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Stefan - of course - you are entirely right… the lower receivers have simply been swapped about I’d imagine…

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Wow, Harry… yes it looks like a cable tie for a 9v battery hidden under the stock… I had never realised this before… so we have a plausible and practical explanation for the shifting about of grooved grips and receivers after cleaning and maintenance and you’ve pointed out the likely power source for the hero static 42 counter… I wonder what those things are on the back of the shrouds of number 3? Would the shrouds be riveted there right where they join?

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I’m wondering whether they are the kind of power sockets you have in old Land Rovers (and wartime vehicles) to plug in inspection lamps… they look a similar size… I’ve attached an image of them… the ones on the left of the image (one black and one red)… the plug goes into them… I wonder if the shrouds were originally made like this to power the counter in the hero from a 9v battery cable tied into the stock… but they later decided to take cables straight into the shroud as the plug would be far too obvious stuck in the rear upper part of the shroud… just a guess but they do look like power sockets of the type pictured… I’m just wondering why they’d have rivets there…

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I'd argue that the method of connection you're suggesting could be quite obvious and has a good chance of showing on camera, particularly if you factor in the size of the connector that has to plug in to those sockets.

I've been looking at the image again and have realised that the rivets are just off centre, so it could be that a small plate was riveted to the inside of the shroud to help with aligning the two halves up perhaps.


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Yeah that’s just as possible… if you were placing the power sockets you’d place them off centre anyway as on a seam they’d fall out every time the shrouds were separated. I entirely agree that the plug or even just wires going through those holes would be too obvious on screen.

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Just also thinking Harry… this could easily be hex socket screws or rivets as you have said perhaps even holding clips placed internally to route wires clear of working parts to get down to the counter without snagging… ? Again they’d want to be able to dismantle for cleaning without the faff of wires sagging out of the shrouds…

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This reminds me of an argument amongst proton pack builders, because Dan Aykroyd stated unequivocally that twisting the handle on the wand extended the acrylic barrel. I mean, it's Dan Aykroyd, who's to argue? Well, we've seen inside the hero wand, and Dan is 100% wrong.

I would trust honest research over the 30yr+ recollections of what amounts to some rando, unless said rando has actual proof. I've personally seen screen-used armor in a private collection, as well as a stunt PR, and it sure looked like Brown Bess to me. Again, see my comment about a rando making a statement based on memory.

Agreed - just keep in mind that Brown Bess is a very very close match to SCC2 (Standard Camoflage Colour 2) used by the British and Canadians in WW2… it’s also referred to as Service Brown. And most paint places in the U.K. have the colour code to mix it. Shades vary but a true true flat matt SCC2 or Service Brown is very similar to Brown Bess. Trust me, my truck is painted in it… I attach a picture of the rear of the instrument panel…

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That's awesome. I kinda want a Jeep Wrangler in that color with some Dropship decals on it.

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