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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:21 pm 
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I have to admit my Pulsie is more Brown than green and i like it that way

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Adie.

Please don't take my usage of the word "you" as a specific directed personally.
I can see how this has come about and I apologise. Just my vernacular.

I shall say "it would be better if people specify what they think it should be".


People need to quantify what it is they are trying to convey otherwise it's a bit meaningless. Hence why I use a specific RAL code as it nails it down to one shade and is a quantifiable industry standard.

Zero ambiguity.

To say it's more brown than green is somewhat more ambiguous than saying it's between RAL 8028 and RAL 7013 (obviously you'd need to look up those colours to put them in context, but they are very specific).
And likewise to say, "it's the same as mine" is fairly meaningless unless people can have a quantifiable reference to what "mine" actually is.

There are many industry standard colour grades, all of which are cross reference-able. RAL, Pantone, RGB, CMYK for example.


The debate is a great one, and I think more people should get on board.
Yes it might require some colour swatching, or matching at a paint shop where they can spectro-analyze the colour composition.

The main point being, if a definitive paint code is ascertained, then it makes it a doddle for everyone else. They just go their local paint shop, give them the code and their cash, and 15 minutes later they walk out with exactly the right colour.


I contacted Humbrol a while back to see if they could assist with the composition, but they were unable to help. Apparently when the company was taken over, they didn't get any of the technical details relating to the discontinued products.

Ttaskmaster highlights a very pertinent point. "Olive Drab" does include a myriad of different colours, and for the OD aficionado is a pretty useless definition.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:44 pm 
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Some people prefer the one over the other, that’s life.

For me Brown Bess and OD can look very similar.
I do need to take a second look to tell if a locator tube was painted in Humbrol BB or OD; yet you can see the difference.

I hope that we don’t run out of BB (clone) supplies in the future.
So many thanks for the RAL code or anything else that helps in this area.

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I don't really get what's going on here - Seems we're bleating about 'The Answer' and 'The Solution' to a problem that doesn't even exist, as far as I can tell... at least not from reading this thread, anyway.

So what is this question being debated?
"When newbies come along asking what the colour should be, what is our agreed response?".

OK, here's what you tell them:
"The prop was painted Brown Bess. Through the blue filter, it looked Olive Drab on camera. Paint it either of those colours, or whatever you feel looks best".

Which is kinda what we already say anyway.
There ya go, problem solved.


The only other option I can see is for everyone to paint everything the EXACT shade of Brown Bess and make every member of the public at Drops wear blue-tinted glasses. That way it won't just be these Pulse Rifle things that look exactly like the movie, but the colours of all the other stuff that, strangely, no-one really spends as much time arguing about - your armour, your BDUs and everything else as well!!


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I agree...we know the answer, where people want to go with it after that is up to them.

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That's great, thank you :)

The art of discussion is clearly not dead :)

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I always felt the lighting in the this pic well captured the look on every screen used prop I've seen in person:

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That's great, thank you :)
The art of discussion is clearly not dead :)


What's to discuss?
Things are one way, they look another and most people will do what they want regardless, anyway... I don't know what is actually up for debate apart from where to get the exact colour matched.


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What shade of self-tan do I need to match Hicks?

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What shade of self-tan do I need to match Hicks?

A *light* application of UltraSol's new Terry Wogan series, probably Factor 12.


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Ttaskmaster wrote:
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That's great, thank you :)
The art of discussion is clearly not dead :)


What's to discuss?
Things are one way, they look another and most people will do what they want regardless, anyway... I don't know what is actually up for debate apart from where to get the exact colour matched.



Unless you've missed a whole chunk of the conversation, it was picking a suitable available colour that people agreed on and nothing more. Of course people can do what they like, but it's nice to have second opinions from our passionate peers.

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Willie Goldman wrote:
I always felt the lighting in the this pic well captured the look on every screen used prop I've seen in person:

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I guess we should start a different thread on the actual colour of the Aliens? :D

That pic seems to show the Alien as I imagine them to be, but isn't much like the costumes are in daylight...


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Hello kitty pink?

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Unless you've missed a whole chunk of the conversation, it was picking a suitable available colour that people agreed on and nothing more.

Who here has the authority to say what is 'suitable' and, more importantly, what is not, though?
Who are we to tell everyone else what colour they should paint their stuff?


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'Nuff said.
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Unless you've missed a whole chunk of the conversation, it was picking a suitable available colour that people agreed on and nothing more.

Who here has the authority to say what is 'suitable' and, more importantly, what is not, though?
Who are we to tell everyone else what colour they should paint their stuff?


There are none and that is what I love. Seeing everyones stuff at drops showing their own interpretations. My stuff is painted using the formula posted long ago, drops of red/brown/green.

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Ttaskmaster wrote:
Adie1979 wrote:
Unless you've missed a whole chunk of the conversation, it was picking a suitable available colour that people agreed on and nothing more.

Who here has the authority to say what is 'suitable' and, more importantly, what is not, though?
Who are we to tell everyone else what colour they should paint their stuff?



No one is and no one has!! - you've picked out the bit you want to have an issue with and become defensive, read the second line! This was a friendly discussion for like minded curious people.

I get your point, no one is trying to change anything. If you aren't interested can you please stop trying to derail what was quite a civil discussion for those who are actually interested!

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Ok to settle the discussion and stop this becoming an argument Greg wins the standard is now pink

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omg you aren't trying to instigate a standard, do you have the authority to do that? pmsl

Apologies to anyone who felt this topic has dragged on from what started as a constructive interest thread to the subject of changing anything and standards within the forum. That was never my intention when I posted the first pot pictures. There will be those who don't have the technical or modelling knowledge to mix, or know of where to obtain a similar colour but want an answer instead of fudging it. It would have been nice to say to anyone who wants to have a go, this is the best all our brains put together can suggest. Does it really have to be this difficult and destuctive? The armour colours and BDU's have been discussed at length before, and I don't recall individuals chucking their toys out of the pram and crying standards and change.

Again, apologies to anyone who has now seen this thread derailed from it's original purpose. Thank you to those who actively participated

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I don't but I hate to see ladies fight those handbags are lethal

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That's a great thread. Now I know I have to buy Revell Color No.46 for my Minifigure customs - at least for the pulse rifles, flamethrowers and motion trackers.


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The other alternatives found for BB over the years have been Aervoe 999 Earth Brown and Tamiya XF51, which I've used for my gear.

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It is a shame that the pictures from that thread have gone. We need more people attaching images when it comes to archival information and research.

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Thanks for that,

Just for reference,

Tamiya XF-51 = RAL 6006 (Grey Olive)

Our very own Matsuo reported that the colour configuration of Aervoe 999 had changed back in March last year, and he no longer recommends it as an alternative for Brown Bess.

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