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 Post subject: Re: Pvt Malak Reporting to the Ready Line
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:26 pm 
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Looking good! That was the first set of armor I did with green buckles and straps. I may have to continue that....

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:13 am 
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chevyh0tr0d, here's the buckles I was talking about. On most MOLLE gear, and some ALICE gear, they come with thier own elastic bands for securing loose straps.
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But when you don't have those, you're to tie up the loose straps with electrical tape as so:
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You can see this tape job on gear as early as M56 gear (Vietnam era), both in vintage photos, and by picking equipment up surplus and finding it with the loose strapped already taped up.


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Aaron sorry but sometimes I don't think you get it.

The Marines in Aliens are nothing like your idea and experience of todays modern military.
They were based more on the ragtag, indisciplined troops of the Vietnam war.

So to do a top notch impression of the Marines in Aliens, base it on what you see on screen, not todays USMC.

Get over yourself man. :roll:


Oh, I get it. But you've got me all wrong. My experience in the military has only been two years. The vast majority of my knowledge and experience comes from 12 years of reenacting, collecting, restoring old military vehicles, and manufacturing military firearms. For most of my military training, I knew more then most of my instructors and senior Marines. Some of them have appreciated it and used me to help teach others, and the rest have been all over my backside for it.

BTW, I've been reenacting ragtag, indisciplined troops of the Vietnam war for about 12 years now. :D

The Marines in Aliens were strongly based on, what was 25 years ago, the USMC of the day.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:53 am 
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Thanks for the great Pictures Aaron I will try this next time I gear up, see if I can not keep my PR and MT slings from choking me when I move around and remove them.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:09 pm 
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The Marines in Aliens were strongly based on, what was 25 years ago, the USMC of the day.


Sorry, got to disagree with you there.
I believe Camerons vision and inspiration for the USCM was all about an analogy for the troops in Vietnam.
The gung-ho, cocky, over confident attitude of the troops.
With state of the art, superior fire power facing, what they think of as, an inferior enemy.
Then getting their asses totally kicked by a largely unseen and determined enemy.


Just out of interest, were the USMC of the eighties allowed to paint/draw graffiti/slogans and accessorise their uniforms, or is that more or less a Vietnam thing too?
Asking because I don't really know the answer to that, but from films etc. it does seem just a Vietnam thing.

Your own personalised Marine character can be an EU, by the book, clean and tidy, 4 finger rolls, no graffitti/accessories one.
But I think most on here want to get the bad ass, ragtag, untidy 1, 2 or 3 finger rolled sleeved Marine look from the actual film.

Sorry for busting your balls and also been all over your backside over this, as I know, in your own way, you are only trying to be helpful but you do push your ideals a bit much.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:28 am 
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The main part I am curious of is the taping down strap part, it would be nice to attempt it so I do not get choked by the straps next time I go to remove the PR or MT. I just am not sure what he meant by it. Like did he mean taping them down to my armor or just taking tape to the excess and taping the it together?


Fold the excess over itself and then tape to to itself. It helps a lot and looks way better.

Here's a couple of quick pictures of my armor, sorry for the low quality camera phone.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:33 am 
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Hey even with those pics I can see exactly what you mean. They do look better

Thanks for clearing that up Spectre

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:16 am 
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punkmarine wrote:
AaronHorrocks wrote:
Just out of interest, were the USMC of the eighties allowed to paint/draw graffiti/slogans and accessorise their uniforms, or is that more or less a Vietnam thing too?
Asking because I don't really know the answer to that, but from films etc. it does seem just a Vietnam thing.


In refference to Vietnam; That was totally, as we say "unit specific". Many units could get away with that, and some units couldn't. It depended where you were (the deeper in the field you were, the more it was seen), who was in charge, and who you were with (or "attached to").
If I wrote "BORN TO KILL" on my helmet today, oh that wouldn't fly at all. :lol:

Even in reenacting the Vietnam war, we sometimes do the neat and tidy "squared away" Marines, where the graffiti wasn't allowed. Which ends up meaning we need to have two helmet covers in our collection, depending who we're reenacting that weekend.

For my personal costume or "impression" I'm going to try to keep it "sterile" (not unit specific), and squared away as I can. But that's just me. I'm sure that somewhere in the 'Aliens' universe, there's Colonial Marines that joined for service and patriotism. :mrgreen: :delta: Not just beer and poon. :lol: :wink: 8)

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:39 am 
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looks good man and i see ur in so cal what part?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:15 pm 
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I'm sure that somewhere in the 'Aliens' universe, there's Colonial Marines that joined for service and patriotism. :mrgreen: :delta: Not just beer and poon. :lol: :wink: 8)

Ban them I say! :D :wink:

Ta for the taping up tips Aaron.

When I first got my Sparmor I cut off the excess length of webbing from my ab pad waist belt, then put on a bit of weight and found that the end of the webbing would often slip out of the buckle as I pulled it tight. :roll: :oops:

Lost a lot of weight since then, so it's less of a problem now. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:55 pm 
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Looks good!
Thanks for sharing some insights to AaronHorrocks and Pug50.
IMHO the Marines in the Aliens movie are more individuals then uniform/homogeneous Soldiers.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:30 am 
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Chev y, I have to call you on your shoulder lamp bracket... It's FAR too big!

I mean, really! Look at it!

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Lol Scapey I'd have to agree there.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:53 pm 
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You so Funny Scapey BUT it`s NOT a Lamp Bracket. He`s trying out Spat`s new creation for the TECKNO VIKING. Shoulder mounted SMART GUN :p

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:57 pm 
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More fodder for Dave Xeno!!! hhssssss!!!

Looking sharp marine!! Nice armour dude!!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:33 pm 
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As a re-enactor myself (thus understanding the need to be stupidly anal about accuracy) and former serviceman, I have to say that smartening up can look amazing, but it's YOUR OWN CHOICE if you do or not. If you prefer to go scruffy, then equally it's YOUR OWN CHOICE.

Unlike re-enacting, where you do it to honour the veterans, for patriotic reasons, etc etc, this, whatever the USCM Costuming is based on, it still *IS* just dressing up as not-real people, for fun. That is the only reason to do it.

However, since we're picking holes - Your BDU shirt is supposed to be tucked in too, *if* you want to be all smart and Screen Accurate ;)
Personally, I always preferred mine out, but that was partly to hide the fact that they were rather close-fitting in certain places... :lol:

As for what the USCM is based on - I like to believe that, with the various advances in tech and culture, humans no longer need a military force we we currently know it.
Frost simply calls it a job, not regarding it a way of life as many servicemen do. I always likened them to a kind of corporate security - in this case, interstellar colonial security. They are hired guards out in the ass-end of space, which IMO accounts for a lot of their rather unmilitary ways.


Ultimately, this is what YOU want to make of it and no-one has the right to TELL you how you should/must choose to do it.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:24 pm 
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As a re-enactor myself (thus understanding the need to be stupidly anal about accuracy) and former serviceman, I have to say that smartening up can look amazing, but it's YOUR OWN CHOICE if you do or not. If you prefer to go scruffy, then equally it's YOUR OWN CHOICE.

Unlike re-enacting, where you do it to honour the veterans, for patriotic reasons, etc etc, this, whatever the USCM Costuming is based on, it still *IS* just dressing up as not-real people, for fun. That is the only reason to do it.

However, since we're picking holes - Your BDU shirt is supposed to be tucked in too, *if* you want to be all smart and Screen Accurate ;)
Personally, I always preferred mine out, but that was partly to hide the fact that they were rather close-fitting in certain places... :lol:

As for what the USCM is based on - I like to believe that, with the various advances in tech and culture, humans no longer need a military force we we currently know it.
Frost simply calls it a job, not regarding it a way of life as many servicemen do. I always likened them to a kind of corporate security - in this case, interstellar colonial security. They are hired guards out in the ass-end of space, which IMO accounts for a lot of their rather unmilitary ways.


Ultimately, this is what YOU want to make of it and no-one has the right to TELL you how you should/must choose to do it.



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:57 pm 
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I always likened them to a kind of corporate security - in this case, interstellar colonial security. They are hired guards out in the ass-end of space...


Bingo. That's historically accurate too. The United States Marine Corps has been "protecting American interests overseas" (protecting American trading and companies/corporations) in the ass-end of the planet since they were founded. Even most Marines today don't understand the historical use of the vary branch they were in.

That's why it's not much of a stretch to think that Marines would be protecting colonies from bugs and bebops in the future.

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