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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:28 am 
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OK, we are talking science fiction technologies, so lets keep in that context:

Aliens happens in the year 2179.

The movie Avatar took place in 2154 (25 years before Aliens) and they could travel at the speed of light (Alpha Centuri is 4.57 Light Years from earth and it took about the same amount of time to get there according to the movie).

The TV series Star Trek: Enterprise, it took place from 2151 to 2161 and they had Warp 5 capiblities. If you go by the old Warp Speed scale, that would be 5 x lightspeed to the 3rd power (re: cubed).

So it is possible that space travel in the "Aliens" universe could have near light speed travel.

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I seem to remember in some of the Aliens novels there was some explanation of the Interstellar travel capabilities and the reasons crews are put into hypersleep.

I seem to remember it was something to do with "E Space" where ships could travel at close to light speed but the effect on crews not in hypersleep was supposed to be severe causing nausea, disorientation etc. hence necessitating the hypersleep for the crew although there was also a mention that synthetics were not affected.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:13 am 
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First off I don't think we should go mixing universes as it just creates more headaches than answers. :wink: :lol:

Like Winch I also recall reading somewhere that by the time of "Aliens" faster than light tavel had either been achieved or pretty close to it.

The hypersleep chambers were now necessary to protect the crew from the bizarre effects of FTL travel- time dilation etc.


It is my belief that FTL travel is possible by the time of the events in "Aliens." Here's why I believe this:

What we know is that after the Nostromo was diverted to LV-426, the trip back to Earth would now be ten months. Granted the Nostromo was a commercial towing vessel so perhaps (even if FTL travel was possible in ALIEN), the Nostromo didn't have an FTL drive.

Hicks says that a rescue team would arrive in 17 days. So... if FTL travel had "not" been achieved by the time of the Hadley's Hope disaster, that would mean the rescue ship would be fairly close to LV-426 no? Perhaps a Marine outpost?

If this is the case... why would they dispatch a Marine detachment from Earth? If there is no FTL travel in "Aliens", it would take ten months for the team to arrive. Not exactly a speedy response. Why not send the team from that rescue ship/outpost that is much closer to LV-426?

The only logical answer (well... in my warped view of the universe :lol: ) is that FTL travel must have been achieved at some point (maybe the military got it first).


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:02 pm 
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i just baught the blue ray box set of the Aliens series and i was watching it just now, the cryo tube open and Apone does his speach(i had subtitles on because i love to read and watch) Frost goes

Frost: i hate this job
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"you spent 3 weeks on your back, what do you expect?"

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:21 pm 
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FTL travel of some sort must be possible in the ALIEN/Aliens universe or it would have taken at least 4.2 years to get to any star outside our solar system and much longer to get to another planet.

We can assume that a journey in the order of years is unusual by the fact that Ripley was planning on being back for her daughters "birthday, her 11th birthday" implying strongly it was her next birthday, and how her later 57 year trip in a lifeboat was considered exceptional. At the start of Aliens, Ripley was able to travel back to LV426 (apparently from Earth) without Newt aging much or the Xenomorphs getting too bored.

FTL communication is almost as exotic as FTL travel; the LV426 colony can apparently get an answer from Earth in only 2 weeks.


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First off I don't think we should go mixing universes as it just creates more headaches than answers. :wink: :lol:


I whole-heartedly agree...apples and oranges, so to speak.

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What we know is that after the Nostromo was diverted to LV-426, the trip back to Earth would now be ten months. Granted the Nostromo was a commercial towing vessel so perhaps (even if FTL travel was possible in ALIEN), the Nostromo didn't have an FTL drive.


I think maybe Nostromo did have some way of bending the laws of physics...Zeta Reticuli is 39 LY from the sun. That would've made for a loooooong trip using conventional drives, eh?

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Seeing as we are colonizing distant planets in this future, I assume that the vessels are equipped with FTL drive engines... or else it would be impractical to traverse such distances.


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I don't mean to throw a monkey-wrench into the works, but as much as I would love to think that we can take this fictional 'story' and fit it properly into a realistic timeframe, even if loosely based on future technologies... well, here's the problem I have:

Plain and simply, the time it would take for the Sulaco to leave Earth and arrive on LV-426 cannot be realistically done in only 2 weeks*, and here's why...
(*rounded down from 17 days to keep things simpler for this example)

Radio waves are just another form of light waves, so we'll assume that radio transmissions between Earth and LV-426 cannot travel any faster than the speed of light -- 186,000 miles a second, or 669,600,000 (669.6 million) miles an hour.

For scale/distance comparisons, it takes 'light' approximately 5 hours 32 minutes to get from Earth's orbit to Pluto's orbit at the edge of our solar system.

So if it takes approximately 1 week (168 hours) for a radio transmission (light) to reach LV-426, it must be approximately 112,492,800,000 (112.5 billion) miles away from the Earth -- not accounting for orbital differences.

That said, the Sulaco would have to be capable of travelling at 334,800,000 (334.8 million) miles an hour (basically half the speed of light) to reach LV-426 in only 2 weeks (14 days). That is incomprehensibly fast for a physical spacecraft of any kind -- not to mention extremely dangerous in space.

However, let's just say for the sake of arguement that we did happen to devise some sort of 'super' engine that was capable of propelling the Sulaco at a blistering 100 million miles an hour. At that rate, it would still take approximately 1125 hours -- or 6 weeks 4 days and 21 hours to get to LV-426. Keep in mind that these are 'flat-out' speeds, and do not take into consideration acceleration and deceleration times which will increase the overall time elapsed.

Do we know what the speed capabilities are supposed to be for the Sulaco? Does it have a warp drive? Can it convert antimatter? Does it use wormhole technology? Can it fold space?

Just curious. :wink:

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This is Science Fiction...yours facts and mathematics mean nothing here!! :P

But I did want to point out that both the Sulaco and Colony were constantly broadcasting back to 'network' so once those broadcasts changed (no more uplink from Dropship 1) or stopped ('it may just be a downed transmitter') then WY would have been alerted so I think taking that into consideration would reduce the time for rescue somewhat.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:45 am 
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Here's my go at it:
the trip to LB426 is 17 days. It fits with both the 2 weeks in cryo of Hudson's remaining 4 weeks and also fits the 3 week comment made during Frost's comment about getting some slack.

day 1 - Newts father gets his face hugged
day 2 - Chest burster erupts and more facehugger victims are brought in. Transmission sent to Burke that corraborates Ripley's story.
day 9 - Burke recieves transmission and offers Ripley the deal. Sends message to colonists that marines are on the way.
day 10 - Ripley takes the deal
day 11 - Sulaco departs Gatewaystation
day 16 - Colonists recieve word that marines are on the way. The Last stand is made and Newt's family is killed.
day 28 - Marines arrive.

One more thing that supports this is that the comic states Newt meets the Marines "days" after the last stand. This period of 12 days is less than 2 weeks so the term days was used instead of weeks.

LB426 is one light week away from earth. Radio transmissions travel at the speed of light so a 17 day trip one light week away would have to have an avg speed of 41% light speed. Allowing you to still make the journey at sub light speeds.

But to throw a wrench in everything, the closest planet to our solar system is 10.5 light years away which means that LB 426 has been overlooked and will be discovered later. OR the theory of relativity is wrong and one day before the events of Aliens we develop communications MUCH faster than light speed.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:18 pm 
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Nostromo - commercial transport built for haulage.
Sulaco - military ship built for speed.

I'm sure that has something to do with it as well ;)

All though I'm not sure if the colonists knew marines were on the way...that all comes down to Burke's story about 'we lost contact' being true.
Would he be the only connection between 'network' and LV-426? I have to doubt that.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:24 pm 
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Interesting points but all expanded universe stuff aside....

1. It's never mentioned where-abouts the marines originated from, so basing the timings from earth is pure speculation. LV426 could be an hour away from whatever planet or mothership the sulaco came from.

2. It's never mentioned why it's 17 days for a rescue. Seeing as they're not 100% sure of xeno's even exsisting, it's safe to say 17 days (less if you count how ever long the travel time is) is how long it takes from the initial missing sitrep to mobilisation of the rescue team.

I believe that from newts father being hugged to the arrival of the marines would be pretty quick, say two days for the xeno to develop and take a few more colonists, another for the colonists to see the threat and examine what they can (huggers in med lab), another day or two for the xeno's to grow in numbers and the colonist's last stand.
We can tell the marines arrive pretty quick as there is still one colonist in the gestation period of implantation. Obviously she could of been hiding like newt, but given the condition of the half-eaten doughnut (particulary when you see how wet it is), we can tell the owner of that hadn't taken his last bite a week ago but a couple of days.

And as always, the film contradicts all this by Ripley's "This little girl lasted longer than that..." line.....

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1. It's never mentioned where-abouts the marines originated from, so basing the timings from earth is pure speculation. LV426 could be an hour away from whatever planet or mothership the sulaco came from.


Despite the film leaving it open, Cameron's script says:

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Beyond the sprawling complex of modular habitats, collectively called GATEWAY STATION, is the curve of EARTH as seen from high orbit. Blue and serene.

The Marines may be based anywhere in the galaxy, but Ripley travels from Earth orbit to LV426 in a time fast enough for Newt to not age or starve (or get caught by the Xenos) after her parents meet their end.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:35 pm 
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1. It's never mentioned where-abouts the marines originated from, so basing the timings from earth is pure speculation. LV426 could be an hour away from whatever planet or mothership the sulaco came from.

Excluding Gormans "I'm sorry we didn't have time to brief you people before we left Gateway" comment? :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:59 pm 
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This is cool, but I always wondered why the hell they didn'thave their own damn ship on LV-426 to gtfo dodge? Seems like there woulda been some sort of emergency bail out vehicle in the event of amedical emergency beyond the means of the station....

But that aside I am digging the timeline, nice work all!


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This is cool, but I always wondered why the hell they didn'thave their own damn ship on LV-426 to gtfo dodge? Seems like there woulda been some sort of emergency bail out vehicle in the event of amedical emergency beyond the means of the station....

But that aside I am digging the timeline, nice work all!


Maybe the ships the colonists used to land on LV426 were landed and then broken up to create Hadleys Hope and the atmosphere processing station. The processing station could have been a large chunk of the ship and once it made the atmosphere breathable enough thats when the rest was stripped. Having no mother ship in orbit probably meant no point in a shuttle craft and instead probably relied on cargo ships bringing supplies and crew etc could hitch rides on these. Medical emergency patients could be put into hyperspace and then transported back to wherever for treatment by these cargo ships. Always wondered whether there could have been a separate facility miles away to be used in case emergency should the reactor go critical. Afterall what is the point in a minimum safe distance should there be nowhere else to go without supplies and shelter

Maybe it was too dangerous in the end for the colonists to make their way to the shelter? Maybe some tried and failed e.g. the female survivor they find with the CB. Maybe the Colonial Marines game will shed some light.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:16 pm 
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Nostromo - commercial transport built for haulage.
Sulaco - military ship built for speed.

I'm sure that has something to do with it as well ;)

All though I'm not sure if the colonists knew marines were on the way...that all comes down to Burke's story about 'we lost contact' being true.
Would he be the only connection between 'network' and LV-426? I have to doubt that.



In the Newt comics, it is one of the guys on Hadley's Hope that told Newt's mother that the Marines were on the way.

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Afterall what is the point in a minimum safe distance should there be nowhere else to go without supplies and shelter


Well, there were ground transports/trucks/tractors, so in theory, you could have used one of those to get away.

Just like Hudson did. ;) :mrgreen:

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