Sounds good Kev, no nose pickin' neither!
But fartin' is okay..

As for country flag patches, that sounds kinda kewel too.

I like the idea of "Colonial Marines" patch on one shoulder at least, or both?

Screaming Eagle hat and buckle badge would be great!

Delta collar pins for sure!

Good with the rest!

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Do you ever get deja vu? (he says refering to his post, three above)
lol


So what are the thoughts re footwear?
I've been brought up with the idea of "Officers wear oxfords, other ranks wear DMS shoes or boots". Not sure how it works in the USMC though.

Patent leather for the cheats, lots of "bulling" for those who take pride in their mirrored shoes!
The latter inevitably comes with cries of "Don't step on my toecaps!!!" and much dodging of obstacles.



I performed a little experiment with the "electronic ribbons".
I've borrowed Dom's here having one incomplete row, I hope you don't mind Dom.

If created as an 89a format gif they can be given a transparent background colour and incomplete rows can appear as below...



What is the protocol to be regarding ribbons?
Obviously Dom is displaying his Jubilee medal.
Are we including real life earnt medals as standard?
What about Non-service medals? e.g those awarded by a foreign Monarchy, or commemorative ribbons?

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WDI- Yeah I was typing my post as you posted the same links.

WOW! More to think about!

About the patches- if we mimic the BDUs then Screaming Eagle with no rank on right arm, Country flag and rank on left. Personally I'd prefer no patches other than rank on the arms- but I will go with what the group likes.

Dropship wings and ribbons above left breast pocket. Delta pins on collar. Eagle badge (yet to be determined) on service cap and buckle.

Shoes- when I said parade boots I didn't mean combat boots- these are more like high top leather shoes. However as WDI mentioned they would need to be polished by hand (something I haven't done since 1989) and like he said would make us act like we're walking on eggshells at a crowded convention.

However it would be easiest to have those high gloss Oxfords dress shoes (like Wookie described). Little or no maintenance necessary. I say we wear those.


So:

-Dress Blues tunic
-White USMC Service cap
-Black dress pants with bloodstripe
-Patent leather Oxfords
-White USMC belt with plain buckle
-White parade gloves (still optional?)
-Blue Army rank

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I would much prefer real leather oxfords. Wookiegunner and I already have a matching set.
Flag over the pocket? Can we get an artist conceptual idea of this? I'd see it more on left shoulder... seems more natural there. Ideally, I would prefer no patches on the breast, but l&r shoulders, yes. My thoughts? Left shoulder flag and right shoulder Screamin Eagle/Beaver/Lion/Kangaroo/Marmoset... whatever damn screaming animal you worship.

Ok. What about, as is common with certain modes of dress in real life, making footwear an optional item?

For example. I have the option of choosing between DMS shoes or boots for wear with my No.1 & No.2 uniform.
Normally I choose boots as per:


(tried to photograph mine with my phone but it didn't come out right so I borrows this pic from the internet)

Other's choose shoes.

Perhaphs we could set some optional choices for footwear and then people can pick their prefered option?

Something else to consider...
I've never bought patent leather shoes so I don't know how much they cost.
However an alternative might be to buy cheap DMS shoes but instead of bulling them by hand, use one of the high gloss lacquer products available such as "Morello", "Shape-Up" or the RAF cheaters favourite "Flexane" (which is used to paint the pointy ends of aircraft drop-tanks and the like to protect them) thus creating your own hard wearing "imitation patent leather".

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For something completely off the wall.

No shoulder rank patches.

Instead, on the left shoulder is your country flag, on the right is a Colonial Marine tab.

On the left collar a metal non-subdued rank pin and on the right collar a brass Delta.

Thoug if we go with the rank patches, they could be placed under on both arms and the country flag and tab could be placed together, similiar to the US Airborne patch and tab.

Since y'all are on the topic of ribbons, patches, medals, etc. I thought I'd contribute something. This was a little item I had created for my Aliens based RP group, but it's the set of wings for those qualified for orbital drops.



No, I don't have any in production, but if someone likes the design and wants to make one for a CMC dress uniform, they are welcome to use it.

-Mich

OHHH... I LIKE THAT!!!

Maybe we can use that as a medal that supposed to hang over the left pocket....

Devildog Derek, can you recall the one Im thinking about???? Ive seen a faint pic, but it looks to be crossed swords or rifles...and hangs down from the ribbons over the pocket flap.


Derek

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Yes, the design is nice, but aren't we using the dropship pin for this reason?

I'd assume the dropship pins are for dropship pilots rather than the normal grunts? That's the impression I got anyhow.

-Mich

God, I'd hope not. I think we decided on it being the equivalent of the combat drop instead.

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Adonis is correct..


Derek

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Yeah I bought my Dropship wings for that very reason- that it represented Drop Qualified status like parachute wings.

But while we've got your attention Mich- would you be willing to come up with a cap badge for us? Kind of an updated EGA?

I had a very basic idea of a diving eagle against a starfield background:



My photopaint skills are the pits.

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Hey, I like the transparent background... how do we bribe you to do this?

USMC dress footwear is always leather oxfords. These are what we were issued.

Of course, we'll go with whatever the majority wants!

As for ribbons... I'm not displaying any of my government issued ones. I am, however, opting to display civilian commemoratives which apply to my military service.... mainly because this doesn't break any laws and doesn't bother my conscience.



I agree Derek, that badge Blaichenti created looks shit-hot. I love it. Well done!

Now, we -could- say the dropship wings are for combat drops via dropship (which I just read they are)... but the parachute badge is for maybe HALO/HAHO jumps... silent insertions where the dropship isn't applicable. That'd be right up EUB Dom's alley...

I totally dig that badge. I can't get over it.

Anyways, Derek, I think you were thinking about shooting badges.... such as displayed here:



This pic displays a Sharpshooter rifle qualification badge and a Marksman pistol qualification badge. You were thinking of the Expert rifle qualification badge, I think (pictured on the bottom left row below)



Generally, devices displayed over the ribbons would be like a parachutist badge, scuba bubble, etc... check them out here.

Speaking of which, though, what do Canadian or UK weapon qualification badges look like? That may be a very cool option too!

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

It's actually very easy. Instead of using white for the blank areas, give them a solid colour that does not appear in the ribbons (I normally use magenta or 100% green i.e. RGB 0,255,0 )

Then save the image in 256 colours as a gif using format 89a. You then select magenta (or whatever colour you chose) as the transparent colour.

I could convert those that are already done but it's probably easier for Dom to create the ribbons in 89a format from the outset if that's what people want.

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Ooookay! I like lots of what we have going here.

Keep in mind, I'm going to also venture out somewhat into the
point/counterpoint as far as costing issues.

More on that later...

I like the idea of Screaming Eagle, Badger,Moose, Kangaroo, whatever on one shoulder as well.

I also like the idea of "similar, rather than exactly alike"
see above-

Also, Country Flag would be most cool w/ me.

I also really like the idea of a Colonial Marines patch on one shoulder, perhaps over the country flag?

Delta pins on Collar-

Screaming Eagle on Hat and Buckle-

Footwear- Here comes the cost issue...what kind of price point are we talking about? I don't want to spend $$ on the footwear, $ is okay, but $$ or $$$ noooo

Here's the next cost issue- Hat. All the Marine service caps I google, were brand new, and $69.99

That's a hefty bit of coin. Granted, it would look freakin' awesome. It would make a damn fine outfit, a damn fine one.

But, if we want to make things similar, but different, or just a wee bit less $$, do we want to discuss the beret again?

At $15-20 it's a considerable difference.

Keep in mind that we will also have to contribute to a minimum run of:

Delta Collar Pins

Screaming Eagle Pins/Badges

Kev, do you suppose you could work up your mock up one more time bro?

Another thorny issue...I could not find any military beret in white. Only a ladies style w/ a tassle thingie on top.

Would it be possible to get a mockup of the outfit w/ a black beret?

Just to see how it would look w/ the dress blacks?

Not even going to mention how it would most assuredly differentiate us from the USMC...nope, not going to...

Nor will I mention how it would look to blouse the pants over the boots, Army Ranger style, nooooooooooo, I will not mention that look either....

I'm not trying to screw the pooch here guys, really I'm not. Just concerned about costing. Let's face it. The less the overall costs, the larger the group we will have.

Just something to think about...

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Check my post above... I link to the set of shoes we were issued. I'm sure an Ebay search may turn up results...

And, regarding white berets, I submit to you this.

Look at the first beret, to the text under it. In red, it states "Off-white available for $24.95."

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"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

Ok...Ive taken the liberty of getting a quote for the Delta pins...I spoke to Rex via phone and we agree that 3/4" would be best for lapels...from what Ive gathered as a quick estimate, the pins will be about 2.74 each, with a min of 100. AND, we can have them in 10 days time from date of purchase...as soon as I get an exact price, I will post it...


Derek

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Here you go DevilDog...

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Thank you! Looks great...

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

Yes, the badge I designed was for the HALO or PODS systems, not for a dropship deployment.

As far as designing a cap device, I'm afraid I really won't have any time this month. The other badge is something I had done some time ago, but I honestly don't have the time to work on anything right now.

-Mich

Rex- I understand cost is a factor (it definitely is for me as well).

However this is something I'm putting together for next D-Con (Polaris in July at the earliest).

I'll be saving for the components I've listed above. Yeah I'm just as excited and want to have this done yesterday- but funds will have me getting this piece by piece over the next year or so.

About berets- the only thing I don't like is that it will look very army like. Like reeeaaaalllly army like.

Here you go:



And Rex- your killing me.

Softly.

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Badgers? BADGERS? We don't need no stinkin' badgers!

I'm not a fan of the black beret for this uniform.

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"To err is human; to forgive, divine... Neither of which is Marine Corps policy."
"In Onoraigh Ar Marbh" ~ We Honor Our Fallen

You got something against black berets, son?